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Author Message   cartner Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:14 pm:    Hey, I was wondering where you got the fittings on that sweet bull bar/winch combo your cranking out? What do they call those, and where can I order/get some? I'm really curious as they look like they could be pretty useful in other places as well... Thanks!   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 08:21 pm:    In all Honesty , those things just showed up here on my porch... Some more did today as a matter of fact..... Kyle   cartner Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:02 am:    hmmmm...Then where did you get your porch?   Tow Truck Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:42 pm:    I really like the way the washer reservoir hangs down beneath the bumper! Overall, looks just like a copy of the SG or RT bumper. Musta put a lot of thought into that one.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:56 pm:    Hell of a job Tow truck . BUT , get the timeline right dumbass. $G was before mine , mine came out and shares not one single angle or likeness in any way. Then RTE came out. Now , with a little looking you can see it shares quite a few aspects of Mine and $G's . Also , could you please direct me to the Photos of either makers bumper with an RE 12 in it ? How about anyones mount for the Disco with an RE 12? Kyle   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:59 pm:    That is a Damn Fine bumper. To bad "those" people have to ruin things.   John Lee Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:03 pm:    "Overall, looks just like a copy of the SG or RT bumper." Hmmmm. That's a new one. Kind of like O.J. accusing Nicole Brown of being a murderess.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:06 pm:    nobody ain't ruining nothing. it's out the fucking window already. and look at this: how is this any similar to SG?   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:11 pm:    Here it is with one thats a year old , so how is it a rip off of RTE???   KJ Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:13 pm:    John, Put nothing past O.J. Next he'll be saying Kyle's bumper killed those people, and stupid "Inside Edition" will be there to give him air time. The internet though is the modern Everyman's platform. Eventually EVERYTHING gets said, LOL! Karen   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:20 pm:    Here's what I see: looks a little heavier and not quite as good an approach angle as $G those trucks need bigger tires those aren't 90's.....   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:20 pm:    And looky here,,,,, this is from two years ago in Utah. Yep , thats the same mount.... Just no blades yet..... http://www.discoweb.org/moab2000/kyle/img074.jpg Kyle   Tow Truck Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:27 pm:    Timeline? SG's been in business for a while with lots of happy customers. Yeah, I think that your bumper looks similar to an SG bumper, although I see you prefer the stock brush-bar. I guess your gonna tell me that since YOU don't think there is any similarity, then there isn't? Well, now that I think about it...yeah, it still looks similar to an SG or RT bumper. I'd imagine SG and RT spec there bumpers for the winches that sell the most...now damn, that would actually make good business sense. Well, I digress. Anyway, do you have a company website or any other wonderful products? Any plans to relocate that washer reservoir? Hey, how about this: instead of using the DII reservoir you could replace it with the smaller one from a Defender and relocate it somewhere else?   Marc Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:34 pm:    Kyle, I have to take TowTruck's side on this one - it does look like the $G ---- it is on the lower front of the truck and it spans from one side to the other. Come to think of it all bumpers must be a copy of the $G. Just make sure you charge twice what it is worth, and you will surely find yourself in court for theft of trade secrets. -Marc   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:39 pm:    No you dumb ass. I telling you that because there is no similarity. I have both here sitting side by side as I type this. They do not share one single aspect. Maybe you are just too damn dumb to actually see that... And go back to your original post now. RTE came after mine....So ? I also have no plans whatsoever to relo that washer bottle as it is sitting over 2 thousand miles from me at this time. The owner however is going to.... And as far as what those two companies "Spec" thier bumpers for is really of no concern to me and your statement has no meaning at all if it was addressing the one I made prior to. I simply said I made mounts for winches that hadnt been produced before for the Disco.... Thats accurate....Now isnt it ? And,,,,use your name puss... Kyle   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:41 pm:    Mark , look closer , open a few browsers and get gool clear pics of the three mentioned here... $G , RTE and mine..... Kyle   Greg Davis Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:50 pm:    Hey Tow Truck, if you're so fucking brilliant, what would your bumper design look like? Don't let it have a good approach angle, offer better protection, or let it mount a winch, otherwise people will say you copied another design. Oh, don't paint it black, either. What a dipshit!!!   Tow Truck Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:58 pm:    RTE came after mine....So ? well, maybe you should take that up with them? Similarity?...yeah I think they're similar but guess that you don't. That's great that you've designed a bumper to fit the big RE... I'm sure you're wonderful personality will help you sell plenty of them...or maybe my perception is out of whack and it's me that is being an ass? It appears you've got quite a following here on the web...are they all buying stuff from you? When are these bumpers available, I'd like to buy one. BTW, my name is Kyle as well, should I start using that name?   Marc Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 01:58 pm:    Umm, Kyle, re-read my post and pretend I am being sarcastic... you know ... sarcasm - you are good at that stuff. -Marc   Tow Truck Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:00 pm:    Ahhh, Greg you must be one of the lemmings? I see this isn't the Mensa club.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:01 pm:    Tow truck , go back and reread your crap. None of them felt the need to make a post. You did.... Now you are backing up... I reserve the right not to sell or make a damn thing for a dipshit.... Its a wonderfull thing... Kyle   Tow Truck Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:05 pm:    No retrograde movements here! "None of them felt the need to make a post. You did"...then why did they? Sure, I made a post addressing that I thought they looked similar, you don't think so, oh well. I was also interested in the reservoir, which you've kindly addressed. Are you always this abbrassive to people that are simply trying to gather information?   Greg Davis Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:09 pm:    No Tow Truck, I'm not a Lemming. I happen to build bumpers myself. If you spent any time on this forum you'd have known that. I know what it takes to design and fabricate your own product. It just pisses me off for someone to sit back and say something has been copied simply because it serves the same purpose. The only design Kyle's bumper shares with the others mentioned is that it bolts to a Disco and mounts a winch. If that's copying, then my house is a copy of yours because it has a roof and walls supporting the roof. Oh, bye the way, where can we see pictures of your Disco, and the mods that you have done yourself?   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:13 pm:    Keep on backing up tow truck. I hope you have a back up alarm.... Kyle   Garrett #2 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:13 pm:    Kyle, What in the hell is going on around here??? I am new to this website and I think it is cool as shit that people on this site actually make their own parts and accessories from time to time. I am throughly confused as to why everybody is bitching at each other about your bumper design?? I must have missed something somewhere. Everyone needs to chill out a little!! I feel lucky to have a site where I can get such good help and advice!! Thanks to all of those people and my wallet thanks you too!!!   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:15 pm:    Its no biggie Garret,,,,there are just a few Agendas floating about and a few "Lemmings" calling the pot black..... thats all.. Kyle   Marc Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:20 pm:    Towtruck- You can't hide behind that "I was only asking a question" stuff now. You were starting shit and that is plain as day from your original post. You come on this board and antagonize people then whine when they take issue with you. Kyle has done nothing but offer a choice to people looking for a bumper. It seems that it will be a reasonably priced, quality product. I for one am not in the market, but I am always glad to see new products come out for our vehicles. My question to you is, in short: Why be a dick? If you don't like it, don't buy it. The only think I can think is maybe you have a horse in the race. Either that or you are just an asshole looking for something to bash because that is what you do. Or, and this is a real possibility from what I have observed in the past, maybe Kyle ticked you off once upon a time and you decided to take this opportunity to piss in his wheaties. Greg - your point is exactly what I was trying to say above - Kyle's bumper looks like other bumpers because they are all bumpers... -Marc   Garrett #2 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:23 pm:    Seems like a soap opra!! Maybe we can call it "Days of our Disco Lives" lol Cool then, I'll take your word for it Kyle I personally like your bumper and would buy one if I had the money right now but I guess you threw it away. Next time!!   Tylenol Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:31 pm:    My head hurts from all this bumper talk.....Really hurts.......But I keep reading......Can anyone tell me why?   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:33 pm:    Garret , it adds a little spice doesnt it ?? I kinda like it when the "No name" posters start talking big shit..... Its funny as hell... Kyle   John Lee Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:33 pm:    Tow Truck, "Timeline? SG's been in business for a while with lots of happy customers. Yes, SG's bumper does predate Kyle's bumper, but I would hardly call Kyle's bumper a copy of SG's bumper. If you look at these two pics: http://www.safarigard.com/FB_DiscoI.gif http://www.expeditionexchange.com/pelican/DSC00124.jpg I don't how any reasonable person can say that Kyle's bumper is copied or even vaguely resembles the SG bumper. I suspect you just hate Kyle (you're not alone) and want to take a poke at him. That's fine, but your accusations are absurd at best. If that's the best poke you can take at Kyle, that's pretty pathetic. As to your contention that the RTE bumper and Kyle's bumper look very similar, that is certainly true. Compare these two pics: ../17/989.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/pelican/DSC00124.jpg Those two bumpers bear a striking resemblance to each other. That is certainly true. However, your contention that Kyle copied the RTE bumper is absurd and you know it. It would be impossible because Kyle's bumper antedates the RTE bumper. Again, if you want to take a poke at Kyle because you don't like him, take a real poke at him, one that hurts because it is true. Things don't hurt when they're not true. If this is the best you can do, you're a loser. "Yeah, I think that your bumper looks similar to an SG bumper, although I see you prefer the stock brush-bar. I guess your gonna tell me that since YOU don't think there is any similarity, then there isn't? Well, now that I think about it...yeah, it still looks similar to an SG or RT bumper." Wow, this is really convincing. First you criticize subjective perspectives and then you give your own subjective perspective. Again, if this is the best poke you can take at Kyle, you're a loser. "I'd imagine SG and RT spec there bumpers for the winches that sell the most...now damn, that would actually make good business sense." This is probably your most valid point, but even so I don't think your point is well taken. There is more to life than making money. Ferrari could make a lot more money if sold economy cars rather than high-end sports cars. If Kyle really wanted to make money, he could start selling drugs or pimping out prostitutes. If he did these things, all he would be doing is selling what people want. If people want planetary winches (and they do) then some will cater to that demand and sell bumpers made for the planetary drives. If Kyle believes that the worm drives are superior and refuses to make a bumper for a planetary drive, that's his business and I cannot really say that is an unreasonable business decision. "Any plans to relocate that washer reservoir? Hey, how about this: instead of using the DII reservoir you could replace it with the smaller one from a Defender and relocate it somewhere else?" Oh, this is brilliant. Did you think this one up yourself? Gee, I wonder where you got this idea?   advil Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:35 pm:    Reality TV Phnomenon -that's why!! Gotta see what happens next ..Who disses who! Riviting   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:44 pm:    just my 2 cents.. I don't think that anyone is copying anyone else on these bumpers. I think that is is just a matter of you have to mount certain winches certain ways which forces you to design the bumper around the mount. So it is almost impossible to come up with completly different looking bumpers and still have a good mount, good approach angles, and not look like total crap.. I'm sure that there are some differences on the inside that you can't see just by looking at that pictures..   Conspiracy theorist Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:46 pm:    Clearly the competition has gotten nervous upon seeing the svelte lines and seemless styling of the ultra cool KVT bumper. After many late nights of damage control the corporate talking heads have finally realized the one and only course of action available to them. Yes friends and neighbors, the evil empires have at last concluded that if The Chosen One (kyle) doesn't actually make said bumper, he can't actually sell said bumper. And if The Chosen One (kyle) spends his day responding to what are clearly inflammatory posts on the Almighty Discoweb he can't build said bumper....It is a plot!!! Don't do it Kyle!!! They are tricking you!!!! RUN!!!!!! JMcD   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:54 pm:    Will EE distribute Kyles ho's and drugs? Could this mean that Ho will be bring us ho's? I'd like to see $G & RTE offer that kind of customer service! HA!   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 02:59 pm:    yeah jeff, i'll be the pimp. LOL   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:03 pm:    Well, it's only my opinion, but I think it will be cheaper to ship the bumpers versus the drugs and ho's. Maybe you could ship the girls in the returnable wooden boxs like RTE uses. Or would that be copying them... If I get a ho and a bumper, do you throw in a Moab video?   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:11 pm:    jeff, email me off line, i don't know much about the bumper as it's out the window. but i think i can arrange the rest.   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:13 pm:    Ho, it's this kind of service that shows why EE has such a loyal following. You're willing to go the extra mile...   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:16 pm:    hmmm, i kinda enjoy that "extra mile" if i have to do "special arrangements." jeff, maybe we call jay and get that disco limo out for the night?   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:26 pm:    Ouch , now that shit was harsh,,,,,damn , thats worse then picking on my little Deere.... lol Kyle   John Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:34 pm:    A note from RTE....Kyle was building his bumper in his head and proberly physically when RTE went into business. I know Kyle well enough to say Kyle put his own thoughts into how he wanted to build his bumper, he didnt take a yard stick to the SG bumper or anything else. What you have are 3 bumpers built for an agressive approach angle which we all want, so they have similar aspects...they hold a winch and they have slim blades which to the average eye looks similar. Cut them in half with a saw then you see the differences. SG, Kyle and I can look at these pictures and see the subtle differences in manufacturing. Kyle deserves the respect of fathering the RE into the Disco bumper. Attacking Kyle about his bumper is pretty useless if you have other gripes about Kyle.   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:36 pm:    Marc, you ask: "Why be a dick? If you don't like it, don't buy it." Not as if anyone that runs this list has poked themselves in others business and been a completely unprovoked hypocritical ass, huh now? Anyways, what's up with this "tow truck"? Makes it sound like somebody got run over by one or something?   cartner Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:37 pm:    Dude, then EE would be selling Ho Ho's...and thats just a snack...   Marc Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:55 pm:    Anon, your observation goes directly to my speculation as to why Towtruck would be a dick. See my reasoning re: Mr. Truck's wheaties.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:51 pm:    Hey, Phil, kiss my ass... Time to put the pocket puppet away and find yourself a real women cause all that latex is affecting your brain.. Face it.. They may look the same on the out side but, not on the inside.. Go back to the prison shower and drop the soap some more cause I don't think your ready to come out of the closet yet.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:52 pm:    that was a good one though I'll give you that...   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:57 pm:    Eric , man , that is looking bad,,,lol , dont just repeat what John said further reinforcing Phils bullshit there.... Just call him some names or something.... Kyle   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:06 pm:    Kyle, look up you will see that I said that before John even posted his comment.. Not repeating anybody but, myself.. Oh, and I did call him some names.. Even though that was a waste of my time.. Much like this whole thread   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:14 pm:    Eric, don't call this a waste of time. You'll unravel the entire e-universe!!!! Off to go wrench on my IIA (that's a REAL Series truck boys and girls). See Kyle, I can be a big boy too!   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:29 pm:    @   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:30 pm:    I really don't have an opinion on all this copy stuff, however, I was really hoping that Eric would read the full thread and post an appropriate comeback. Well, since he missed it...heeeerrreeesss phil!   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:39 pm:    I still think Kyle's Bumper assy is Damn Fine!   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 05:50 pm:    Thanks Tom... Think that I'll just look at the trail section from now on since someone might actually want to go wheeling around here some day and I'm not going to waste my or other peoples time adding numbers to stupid ass threads like this..   Curtis Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 06:29 pm:    Bahhahahaha! This thread is funny. So was the last: "Who Makes This?" What I really think is funny is how some of these blind and nameless termites crawl out of the woodwork to try to insult Kyle and his bumper. The fools don't know that old motto: "Any publicity is good publicity." Not only have these threads given many miles to Kyles creations, but they have also made him look much better than these irritating bugs. It allows him the opportunity to really show them up in the personality department. Hell, he even uses his own name. Kyle, you owe these shit-eaters a big thanks   Ron L Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:25 pm:    I say throw towtruck out the window too! Ron L ;-)   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:04 pm:    Eric , what kinda bullshit is that ? That strategy ussually work in real life ? Dont say its not . If it wasnt you wouldnt announce it in the thread you are complaining about you would just do what you are saying.....Damn boy.... Kyle   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:20 pm:    It all makes sense know, Check out Towtrucks email address. Craig the problem with common sense, is that it's not that common.   Michael Villanueva (Michael) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:30 pm:    all these fucking little nitpickers making childish jokes and politically impotent homosexual references trying to salvage thier weeney egos!!! But yes, Curtis, it all clearly fits into the master plan of free publicity -- what are we at now? Let's see.... Kyle's Bumper Out the Window @ 34 WHO MAKES THIS? @ 240 Kyle + Steel + RE12000 = Styl'in, Bad Ass DSII Bumper @ 107 Hey Kyle @ 58. Lemme see......34+ 240 + 107 + 58 = 439 posts regarding Kyle's bumper... and there is no end in sight! The real question here (which has eluded all) is what the fuck are those two C clamps doing on the roof rack in the above picture!! hehehe! Damn. Best entertainment I"ve had since shooting the shit in Todd's Garage!!! Go Kyle!! #3 Lemming #2 Acolyte #1 Owner of a DSII with KVT with a mounted RE12K   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:47 pm:    Michael, you forgot to include the ho's!!!!!   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:47 pm:    I thought you were wrencing on the truck Jeff... Kyle   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:04 pm:    just finished. had to replaced the intermediate shaft and thrust washers. it's bad juju when you pop out of gear when using engine breaking to go down hill...   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:43 pm:    Yeah , ya might turn it on its side like taht or something.... Kyle   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:50 pm:    LOL. Thank you very much. That was poor driving and nothing more. I got caught thinking too far ahead instead of where my wheels were at the time. When you least expect it, gravity will reach up and give you a swift kick in the ass.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 09:57 pm:    Yeah , that gravity thing is a real bitch.... Kyle   Ron Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:14 pm:    I am slow but what makes Kyle's somewhat look like SG is that the sides angle toward the fenders. If you look at RTE it does not. But once again this is all BS as if you make a minimal bumper like all three are then, well they look pretty much the similar its only when you slap a thin turd brush bar on top that it looks different Ron   Lawrence Tilly (L_Tilly) Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:21 pm:    I think Michael V. is on to something...Kyle's probably posting these troll bait messages himself as annon to get people to come to support his work and get all the free publicity. Far more effective than actual promotion could ever be. Utterly briliant.... ;-) L_Tilly [email protected] 96 Disco "Beowulf" NH, USA Stock Bumper + HiLift = LONG recovery times   KJ Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 12:44 am:    There's that damned gravity again, kickin' ass.....whether we can see it or not, LOL! Karen Who thinks there was a post pulled? Damn my time outs for money-making, stinking need to eat.....(G)!   Hank Shank (Disco_Tex) Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:00 am:    Gravity: It' not just a good idea, it's the law!   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 10:06 am:    just think of a world without friction. nails wouldn't work, couldn't drive. everything would be held together with bolts and cotter pins, magnets everywhere, have to walk in preformed footsteps or you could fall and slid all around the earth. actually, we'd need nets everywhere to catch shit that has been dropped/ good morning rd   Mike Carino (Mikec) Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 04:39 pm:    To everyone attacking Kyle and his bumper, there are somethings you might want to consider. 1.Kyle was never the one who initiated any of these post about his bumper. I think the first one was from the guy who owns the D2 who Kyle recently made the bumper for. So why jump on him? He is just making bumpers for those who desire them. It's not like he made the bumper and bragged that his was the best looking, most durable, original bumper out there. 2. Seeing that Kyle is brash, abrasive or however you want to put, you would think that you have the common sense to know that he knows he is and that he can defend himself. I find Kyle's responses sometimes opinionated, but I have also seen him complement on a job well done (he complemented the guy who put D2 flares on his D1 as a good alternative to hacking wheel openings). Kyle, I say don't be pulled in by all this. Design what you want and how you want and if it works for you and others great. For me, I think your design is cool and a common sense approach to using other resources (LR brush guard). But do I want one for my disco? No, I'll be getting an SG bumper. I like the design and can afford it, it's my choice and if it fails I have to live with it. I think the neat thing is how Ho, Kyle and Axel are all friends but all use different bumpers. Just proves my point, we all get to choose what we want, that is what makes us all different. And makes this web site such a great resource for ideas and answers to questions.   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:29 pm:    oh, believe me... kyle has been braggin' about his shit being the best. all this ass kissing has his head bigger than ever. give 'em shit. rd   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:46 pm:    i dont care what you say...it looks weak (psssst dont tell kyle , i am just kidding...hehehehe) mike w   Kyle Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 11:56 pm:    MikeC , I hear you , BUT , some of those posts were initiated by one of us just for the hell of it... To tell you the truth. That bumper on MV's truck is right now priceless to me. The entertainment it has brought us all can not be bought at any price.. Kyle   Kyle Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 11:57 pm:    Mike W , it wont be really authentic until you throw in some complaining about my attitude and courseness. Take some notes from smart ass Rob there , he hass it down almost perfectly... Kyle   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:32 am:    oh sorry dude, uh....the f%#@en bumper of kyle's is like a uh S$ bumper and he is a corase rude uh... arrogant bastard who needs a haircut! is that better? heheh mike w   KJ Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 11:14 pm:    Mike W, You forgot the never-ending loop of, "Don't feed his ego, his head will block all sunlight!" LOL! All it takes is practice, and loads of repetition. Karen