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Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 12:59 am: | 
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Okay, I already know the arguments for a raised air intake on a normally aspirated V8i NAS Discovery. Now onto brand preferences. Can anyone give me feedback on fit / finish / relative cost / maitenance on the Mantec and ARB snorkles?
Thanks and Cheers,
Erik |
Nadim
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 02:05 am: |
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I have the ARB Safari Snorkel, and the finishing is excellent. Moreover, being plastic, I do not worry that it may rust or anything of the sort. The tube is wide enought to allow for a large amount of air to enter the engine. The Snorkel Top may be installed forward or backward upon preference, or you may order the prefilter in dustier regions. |
jo
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:42 am: |
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What are the advantages or disadvantages in having the head of the snorkel facing either forwards or backwards. |
Nadim
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 07:44 am: |
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Donno...but in very heavy rain, I prefer having it backwards...seeing that I'll be going to the desert, I'll be getting the precleaner as well! |
muskyman
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:51 am: |
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having the safari face forward during high speed driving will get you better MPG
off road turning it around to the rear is my prefered method
it catches less dust...the air cleaner stays cleaner at least twice as long
it does not catch debris tossed by trucks in front of you
waves of water dont splash in when your windsheild deep.
when its facing rear when you pump something like say a tree or rock it slides over instead of the flared front catching on it and brealing the screen.
the debris screen is the only thing i'v broken in years of bouncing mine off stuff |
AL
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:31 am: |
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Averaged 15.9 MPG with the ARB snorkel yesterday on the highway. My Adventure rack and IPF lighting played a factor also.
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RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 01:15 pm: |
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is it easy to turn that thing around whenever it fits your fancy?
tom |
muskyman
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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yep..takes ten seconds
i found it better to leave it a little loose
so it does move when it gets bumped |
r0ver4x4
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 01:39 pm: |
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yeah about the rain wouldnt they suck in water |
muskyman
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 02:05 pm: |
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if they are facing forward in really heavy rain you will loose some power. Due to water saturating the filter.
sucking in small amounts of rain can be good for your motor. it helps loosen carbon on valves and piston tops.
but in heavy rain I turn mine around
it does only take 10 seconds |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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I see now |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 06:11 pm: |
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So there is no functional difference between the two brands? That is, aside from rotating the Bass Mouth front or back for maybe MPG gain and/ or cleaner air filter, they both are effective at what they do? |
Erik Olson (Jon)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:23 pm: |
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Yes, is there a widely recognized benefit of Mantec over ARB? Do either or both have a drain plug or reservoir to catch that rainwater captured at speed? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:03 pm: |
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i put a boat drain plug in my arb snorkel thinking it would need it.
in 7 years of use its never accumulated anything more then a few ounces of water at any one time
this small amount wont bother anything
IMHO |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 01:10 am: |
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I helped install an ARb and my main complaint is that it is plastic and vunerable to damage on the fender. Mantec is not. Mantec costs more though. I doubt you could make a mantec rust out before your truck did.
Ron |
Nadim
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 11:20 am: |
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Ron,
I would have to disagree with that. the ARB plasit is VERY stout. I has withstood many an abuse from me, including supporting the partial weight of the Disco on a tree (foxhole for front left tire!)
I would prefer the plastic over the Mantec. The only thing I like about the mantic is that it is more internal, and that is nice. But the ARB permits more airflow. Hey, it comes down to personnal choice like everything else! |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 01:23 pm: |
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ARB is kinda dumb looking whats with all the plastic and shit on the side.. of your frint fender...Mantec is more asthetically pleasing |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 03:33 am: |
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Any of you guys know what an M-16 is made out of? |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:41 am: |
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puff pastries? swizel sticks?
hell i would take either. they both seem to have there + and -'s. |
kent
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 02:19 pm: |
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I have the ARB snorkel purchase from 4 wheel parts for $249.00, I love it. I did have to drink a few beers to get up enough courage to drill into the fender.
Some of the previous posts talk about rain water entering the intake when facing forward. If you look at the intake it is designed so that the water breaks up on the screen and hits the back of the intake and runs out the back of the intake though hole above the clamp. I have tried everything to get the filter wet and cannot. |
steveII
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 02:47 pm: |
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anon -
an m16a2 upper and lower reciever is made of aircraft grade aluminum -
that is hard anodized to milspec.
the barrel is steel and chrome lined.
the fire control parts are heat treated
steel as is the bolt carrier assembly.
the furniture is a special glass fiber reinforced thermal polycarbonate.
the sling can be nylon with steel buckles - or
cotton.
does that answer your question?
steveII |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 04:27 pm: |
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and the part that hurts bad guys is lead! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 05:11 pm: |
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"the furniture is a special glass fiber reinforced thermal polycarbonate"
aka "plastic and shit" |
plastic man
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 05:23 pm: |
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hehe see how long you can go in this world today without using plastics. Plastic ain't shit. Shit is shit. |
Disco Dad
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:50 pm: |
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SteveII were you an ass in the grass marine? |
steveII
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 08:20 pm: |
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anon
actually the part that hurts the bad guy is copper jacketed lead with a tungsten core 'penetrator'. the good part is that is the ss109 or m855 round is less likely to be deflected by large ears of elephant grass. the bad part is at close range on a thinly clothed target (read somali)- the round has a tendency to go thru said target without 'tumbling'. barrel length is a critical factor in terminal ballistics of the 5.56mm round....
discodad - naw not a grunt like mr. bright was, (though i did take the boot camp primer at el toro usmcas), but i did spend some time taking military "leisure and basket weaving" (wink wink) classes at ulca, (army - don't tell mr. bright)and FTX's were down at pendleton or at ft irwin.
steveII
ps - i prefer the arb snorkel. no rust worries and it's a tough as my ex-mother in law's nuts.
as for anon who is trying to alude to the understrength of the furniture of the m16a2 - i will gladly pay him $100 if he lets me hit him over the head with a m16a2/ar15a2 until it breaks. if he is still concious he gets $100. on the ground - no cash! i'm ready any time!! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:14 pm: |
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"I've got one word for you Ben, PLASTICS."
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John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 11:01 pm: |
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Steve,
"actually the part that hurts the bad guy is copper jacketed lead with a tungsten core 'penetrator'. the good part is that is the ss109 or m855 round is less likely to be deflected by large ears of elephant grass. the bad part is at close range on a thinly clothed target (read somali)- the round has a tendency to go thru said target without 'tumbling'. barrel length is a critical factor in terminal ballistics of the 5.56mm round.... "
I believe the penetrator tip on the SS109 bullet is hardened steel and not tungsten. Not sure though.
I think your data on the SS109 is a bit dated. Many detractors of the M16A2 and the SS109 believed that the SS109 was less likely to tumble and fragment because of the faster rifling twist required by the SS109. Not so. The SS109 round fragments just as easily as the older M193 round. There is an excellent essay on the SS109's wound ballistics written by Dr. Martin Fackler at: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/military_bullet_wound_patterns.html
For those of you who are not familiar with Martin Fackler, he is probably the world's foremost authority on terminal ballistics against human targets.
That link also contains a JAG opinion regarding the use of hollow-point boat-tail match bullets in sniper rifles and how such use does not violate the Hague Convention. Irrelevant to the SS109's effectiveness, but certainly interesting reading. |
Mike Little
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
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Getting back on track a bit since I don't have a clue about rifles, what about the South Down snorkle?
One of the benefits to putting a snorkle on a Disco would be freeing up the space for an extra battery, I have looked at the Arb and Mantec and I think that the ARB is the only one to actually move the air flow to the side allowing more room for an extra battery, has any one had some experience with the South Down snorkle and does it allow this also?
Regards
Mike |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
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You guys are way too serious for me! I can't believe your posting specs on the material makeup of an M-16! IT WAS A JOKE! Hello??? Humor??? It was just to emphasize the fact that plastic, or reinforced thermal polycarbonate, is used everyday in very structurally sound ways. And if you bang a Safari snorkel against a tree really hard, with the weight of your truck behind it, then YES it might break. If you did the same with the mantek then it might just bend. Probably to the point of making it useless and requiring it to be replaced! They are both good designs and neither one is bullet proof! As far as aesthetics, that can be argued endlessly. So Erik, pick which one you think looks better.
As for the "reinforced thermal polyglycoat aka plastic and shit" remark, it was meant as a JOKE, to let Phillip P. know that plastics have proved to be very durable. I didn't mean to hurt Steve II's feelings, and wasn't aluding to the understrength of anything! And Steve, if you met me you definately wouldn't want to hit me over the head with an M-16!!! I'm a nice gentle person, with a great sense of humor, who doesn't allow people to hit me ANYWHERE with ANYTHING for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER!
JRoc
'95 Disco |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 10:21 am: |
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i think the other fellow was joking too... |
plastic man
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 11:02 am: |
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I was deadly serious. Have you ever stepped in shit? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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"I think your data on the SS109 is a bit dated. Many detractors of the M16A2 and the SS109 believed that the SS109 was less likely to tumble and fragment because of the faster rifling twist required by the SS109. Not so. The SS109 round fragments just as easily as the older M193 round. There is an excellent essay on the SS109's wound ballistics written by Dr. Martin Fackler at: http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/military_bullet_wound_patterns.html"
And I always thought I was full useless information
as far as snorkels go...I have not seen an ARB safari snorkle break.
and I have seen mine hit trees,get dragged on rocks,rolled the truck onto it a couple times,and still it has not been damaged.
as far as my disco goes I'm going safari-snorkle as well for the MPG and the space for the extra battery once the air horn and bottle jack are removed.
hell if nothing else I'd say the ARB on the side protects your disco,these things are really tough.
oh and by the way the ARB is made of UHMWHDPE.
(ultra high molecular weight high density polyethelene)
see I'm full of worthless information |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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Steve,
Just letting you know that I'm paying attention....
Stayed out of this thread, because I have no experience with snorkels on a Disco. I've been playing w/ building my own for the Series, tho'...
-L |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 12:25 pm: |
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plastic man, i still dont believe you |
steveII
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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jroc - no sweat dude, i'm about as gentle as as they get, like muskyman - my head is full of weird and mostly useless facts. no offense what so ever taken. i don't like to hit anyone over the head with anything or poke new holes in them, as i am most allergic to this treatment myself!
re: the furniture on the m16 - the a1 was prone to breakage in the hands of grunts (no offense -L) but this was resolved with the marine derived PIP xm16e1, which became the m16a2 when fully adopted. the marines also led the way with the development of the m4 carbine.
last semi funny m16 story- a guy i knew was in the marines in vietnam in 68-69? as we know that the marines get what the army throws away, was issued a m16 that was banna shaped. apparently it had been fired extensively on full, then saw the business end of a heavy ass alice pack so the barrel, gas tube and buttstock were all bent.
but it still fired! gotta hand it to the marines!
steveII |
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