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Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:39 pm: | 
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I've been researching the archives for many days and there are many threads that somewhat address this issue , but I would like to now start this thread with my particular application in mind.
Is it possible to fit 32 x 10.5 16 Swampers sx's using the stock wheel and a 2" OME lift? The tires are 10.1" wide x 31.5" tall. (the tire guys aready told me that even though the tire calls for a 16x8, the stock 16 x 7 will work.
Thanks guys!
P.S by not using the American racing wheels I'll be keeping the tires at the standard backspacing instead of 1" futher out(using the AR rims). This will keep trimming to a minimum (relatively speaking) am I correct? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:51 pm: |
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yes can be done. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:56 pm: |
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Emilio,
I was about to respond to your email, I finally have some time. Here is my 2 cents...
By sticking with the stock rims, you are going to loose some turning radius. You will definately need to adjust your bump stops to keep from rubbing on the front radius arms. For that reason alone, I would go with the GCR rims or wheel spacers, but I value my turning radius more than I value a little bit of fender. Also, you may rub your inner wheel well in the rear of the truck with the stock rims.
That being said, I think you should measure your true lift where it stands right now. Depending on the OME lift you have and other accessories on your truck, you may only have like 1" or 1.5" lift. Do this by measuring the hub to the fender lip. This will give you a better basis of comparison to other setups.
If you had a 3" RTE lift, I would think it would work no problem at all from a fender perspective with either set of rims. I am not very familiar with OME setups, so I can't say for sure if that will provide enough lift for a tire of that width and avoid the fender lip.
You will need to trim the rear of the fender, no matter what, but done correctly it looks good even at like 2" of trimming.
Tom |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:57 pm: |
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He he, just saw Ho's post as I was typing. Nevermind all that. It can be done. 
Tom |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 07:03 pm: |
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Thanks guys. Short and sweet is nice, but I especially thank you Tom for the reasons for why and why not. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 08:48 pm: |
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Don't be dissapointed if/when the answer is no when you actually try it. ;)
If there is one thing I have learned it is that all are not created equal, and we just get farther from that as we modify.
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 08:57 pm: |
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Yeah , waht kind of question is that. Ofcourse it can be done. ANYTHING can be done if you want it bad enough..
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 01:05 am: |
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I guess I should have done the quick and direct answer.
Maybe.
Tom |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:25 am: |
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That size is really close to 265 75 R16
yes.
Ron |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:57 am: |
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Yes, it's close to the 265, but a 265 should be on an eight inch rim also.
If you really need a bias ply, 32" Swamper on a Rover, then a little bit of trimming should be the last thing on your mind; concerning the body. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:02 pm: |
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ok so maybe i am way off base and swampers are a whole new beast, but i am putting on some new 265/75/16's next week on NATOs. the NATOs of course are 16x6.5. the tire section is 10.5 and the tread width is 8.1. the height is about 31.7. these are cooper s/t's we are talking about. i know these new treads will fit, so why MUST these size tires be on 8" wheels? cooper suggests 7-8, but i know many that have done this with the NATOs.
thanks. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:06 pm: |
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Must and Should are two different games-
Craig |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 01:01 am: |
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you bet it is...but I disagree with you about rim width
if you plan on airing way down I'd recommend the 7" rim over the 8"
the wider the rim the more the tread will cup when aired way down
also the more narrow rim will also keep thye tire on at lower PSI
plus if you spend lots of miles on gravel roads/two tracks at medium tire presures as aposed to manufactors recommended highway presure the wear paterns and life of the tire will be greatly improved on the more narrow rim. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 01:47 am: |
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"if you plan on airing way down I'd recommend the 7" rim over the 8" "
"plus if you spend lots of miles on gravel roads/two tracks at medium tire presures as aposed to manufactors recommended highway presure the wear paterns and life of the tire will be greatly improved on the more narrow rim."
I don't think these scenarios represent the majority of use these tires will see.
BTW- Interco doesn't even show a 32x10.50 x16 on their site. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 01:48 am: |
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That should read:
32x10.50x16 SX on their site.
Craig |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 03:12 am: |
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oh so your saying that the people here arent likely to put many off road miles on?
well if thats what we are taking about
narrow tires with very little tread so that you dont have to hear them on the road and so not to effect the allready poor MPG gets my vote.
but if you are going to use them off road where most of the wear will happen even in a very limited off road use,a wider rim wears the shoulders of the tire much faster because of the more cupped tread at reduced presure. even say 15 or so lbs
the fact is off road really accelerates wear
then when you air them back up they look and are crowned.
and because crowned tires have poor on the road characteristics you will pitch them sooner.
good tires are expensive. so choosing the right rim to give the tire the correct aspect ratio at the air level that the tire will see it most intensive wear stress will make the tire last longer and keep its shape for more miles
mud tires on the trail and street exemplify this
I am not saying this perticular tire on this rim with this weight vehicle is the way to go.
but narrow has some very clear benefits. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 03:28 am: |
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I think Interco knows what wheel width their tires should be mounted on. If a 7" was better (in your words), Why then would they reccomend an 8" for their 10.5" wide tires?
http://www.intercotire.com/html/tsl___sx.htm
No disrespect Musky, but..
"oh so your saying that the people here arent likely to put many off road miles on?"
Please don't put words in my mouth. mmmmkay?
Craig |
JEEPETR
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 08:46 am: |
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Hey Emilio,
Have you considered the Swamper Radial in 265/80R16? 9.0 Tread Width, Similar 10.5" Section Width, 32.2" tall and the recomended rim width is 7". I have seen this tire on a 1998 Discovery with a 3" Safari Gard Stage III Lift, and minimal triming (on stock Alloys without spacers). It looked like it worked very well, is pretty close to just as aggressive, and being a radial will give you better performance on road. Just a thought...
~Scott T.
'95 D-90 (JEEPETR)
'96 Discovery (5-Speed) |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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"I think Interco knows what wheel width their tires should be mounted on. If a 7" was better (in your words), Why then would they reccomend an 8" for their 10.5" wide tires? "
yes craig I'm saying interco is not telling you the whole story
they cant
tire companys only list rims sizes based on the tire being used for highway use at the listed dot approved air presure ranges
have you ever seen them recomend to run 6 psi while rockcrawling?
dont hold your breath.
"Please don't put words in my mouth. mmmmkay?"
"Craig"
I'm not putting words in your mouth but this
"I don't think these scenarios represent the majority of use these tires will see."
sounds like you think all these tires will never see off road by this comment
and the wear issue at reduced tire presures is a big factor. even at the 15 to 18lb safe zone most guys run off road
the 5 to 10% off road guys running mud tires will see most of the dramatic tire wear off road not on
I have seen BFG mt's that never went off road go 60000 miles. start taking them off-road they get all kinds of crazy wear paterns compared to the strickly on road ones.
I build pneumatic beadlock systems and have been looking very closely at wear paterns at different psi on different rim widths for the better part of 10 years.
and I can tell you if you just follow the psi and width data from tire companys your spinning your wheels .
the fact is wider rims at lower then highway pressure will cause more shoulder wear then a narrower one with the same tire.
as I said before I'm not saying anything about this tire on this rim I'm just saying you need to look at the whole picture. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:43 am: |
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Damn Musky , Craig is just stating the reality of things here. Its also a reality that you should listen to the tire makers recomendations. They spend millions each year employing people that figure this shit out. I would listen to what they had to say....
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Ah shit, Kyle. You also know that your bumper is going to be for "off road use only" and everyone will have it on the street. I have 12.5's on my 15x7's, no problem.
Tom |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:52 am: |
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Muskyman - you heading out with Chicago4x4 this Sunday? If so, in the scout or in the Rover? |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 06:33 pm: |
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I've considered the radials but the thing is that I'm going to the swampers for aggressivness. The radials are 1/2 the tire the sx's are. I'm currently running BFG MT KM's but want a good summer play tire.
When you guys are refering to the turning radius being affected, just how much is it affected? (by half ...a third less ???...)
Anyone?
Thanks again guys.
Emilio |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 06:35 pm: |
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sorry guys...in my original post I said 32 x 10.5 16..that should read 32x11.5x16 (actual size is 31.5x10.1x16)
i don't thing this will change anything. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 06:37 pm: |
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One thing else to remember, the specs for that tire are based upon the manufacturer's reccomended wheel width. Overall height will be slightly different on a narrower wheel.
this conversation has become tiresome; now is the time on Sprockets when we dance...
Craig |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 06:39 pm: |
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tom
sounds like I can make it.
going up to get the scout from wisconsin tomorow
so I'll be in the scout
the rovers still the pretty truck.
speaking of tires I balenced mine and had them siped .(today)
i actually went in a parking lot ran it up to 40 and locked it up. 3 times
then came back after I had them siped and did it again...it had started to snow a little
the abs kicked in about the same but pumped a little less
i'd say it cut about 10' from braking distance
i could only do it a couple times after that a Palatine cop came racing over
but It was worth it $5 bucks a tire for the siping at discount with my rotation and balence.
Kyle,
see I listen a little I even rotate my tires
like do you really think a 10" rim is needed for a 35x12.50x15?
the tire companys do? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 06:52 pm: |
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craig
you are right on the money there!
the same BFG 35x 12.50x 15 on
8"= 35.2
10"=34.00
higher ply count will also make a tire taller
because aspect ratio is based on loaded weight by one company and unladen on a rim by another
its damn near impossible to know till it is on the actual trucks
"this conversation has become tiresome; now is the time on Sprockets when we dance..."
lol
go ahead talk amongst yourselves |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 08:23 pm: |
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You guys aren't listening. Emilio only wants a direct yes or no and he will take your word for it. Don't bother him with the details.
Tom |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 08:32 pm: |
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Ummm-
I think we stopped talking to Emelio about this two days ago. God forbid we actually use a forum for what it's for.
Craig |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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lol....oh some times its very clear why i come here |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 10:48 pm: |
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ok guys ... I'm buying the tires tomorrow. I sure hope they fit. I guess it will be a while before I work out the details (bumpstops, backspacing, body lift (if neccesary),trimming etc..). Thanks for everyones help, especially Tom, and Scott.
Once its all done I'll post the pics
Emilio.
P.S DiscoWeb is God sent!! I've never seen such a wealth of info so easily available. Makes me feel all warm inside LOL !!!
Talk to ya later guys ;) |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 10:53 pm: |
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back to Emilio for a sec - he could always pull the rear quarters out to avoid a major hack job, but wouldn't those 32's rub the shit out of the inner wheel wells on full stuff with only 2" OME? What are you doing for bump stops, Emilio? and screw the turning radius...the loss of turn rad is lost in the slop when you're off the pavement anyway....
and 7" vs 8" rim? if it's worked for others, it'll work for him...
hey garrett, I want pics of your 265's. Email me.... |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 10:54 pm: |
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scotch makes me feel all warm inside |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:00 pm: |
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Should i but the wheel spacers right away then? How fast do they ship? and who sells them again (i forgot).
Emilio |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:10 pm: |
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hmmmm...well, wheel spacers (from Rovertym, Mike Ku, & others I can't think of right now) push the wheel OUT, which will increase both your turning radius and your investment in grinding wheels or hacksaw blades. I have mere 245/75/16s on my stock rims and I've rubbed the inner wheel well to a high polished shine whilst traversing rough terraine. My 245s are only 30.x inches tall....I'm thinking that your 32s will rub when stuffed if you don't address the bump stop issue (which I see you have under another thread - keep it all over here or it'll get confusing). But taller bumpstops are treating the symptoms, not a cure. It's all a big fun game, but the direct answer (like Ho said) is "Yes can be done." |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:20 pm: |
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point taken blue. The tires I want are 10" wide which is 254mm , that is exactly 1cm wider than the 245's, but that is split on half because its distributed on both sides of the rim. The height is 31.5" which is 1.5 taller than your, but again split by half because we're intrested in the radius, so its only 3/4" taller than yours. I realize that every bit adds up but I don't think its that much larger than your's , do you? I will buy the bumpstops in any case. could you recommend a size? |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 11:56 pm: |
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emilio, just get the damn tire and you'll find out. |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: |
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ok ok ... Didn't mean to piss you guys off or anything. Just using the forum for what its for.
Emilio |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 12:03 am: |
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Nobody's pissed Emilio...
Just part of the fun.
Craig |
Emilio 98 Disco
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 12:11 am: |
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I know...I was just trying to get one of my threads past the 40 mark !!
Now I feel like one of the guys
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Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 12:24 am: |
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hmm... emilio, let's not go there.
and this forum isn't for that. LOL |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 03:21 am: |
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>"I realize that every bit adds up but I don't think its that much larger than your's , do you?"
hmmmm....well, I don't really know. hehehe
You are thinking logically & analytically - I can respect that. But also remember that the sizes you quote are theoretical. Most tires don't actually measure up to the sidewall stats. I'd just get the tires and deal with it then (not get bumpstops until after you cruise with lift & tires for a while). A little rubbing in the wheel well when stuffed is not too big of a deal on the road. |
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