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Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 12:42 am: | 
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I want to transport propane while camping and I do not want to have it in my Disco1. I don't have an adventure rack (yet.
Anyone have a good idea for attaching the bottle to the spare tire, ladder or something else? |
Paul Long
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:59 pm: |
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National Fire Protection Assn. (NFPA #58) Fuel Gas Codes prohibit transport of DOT cylinders affixed to rear of vehicles or trailers. Tanks must also be upright so that relief valve is above the liquid level and "within the vapor space".(relief of vapor drops pressure. Relief of liquid does not) For rack mounted cylinders it would be acceptable to use a horizontal cylinder designed to lay down. As in a fork lift tank. These Aluminum vessels are also much lighter. Codes also govern the hold down strength when mounted. I'd have to look the particulars up to quote the code on strength of mount. Frame mounted tanks are ASME type with a whole different set of rules... a plug for the resident gas company; Longs Propane Service |
my96disco (Trevorh)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 11:08 pm: |
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Paul Long AKA Hank Hill :-) |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 11:27 pm: |
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Wow, thanks Paul. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 12:13 pm: |
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NFPA rules also limit where one can mount such containers, should they be exposed to great variations in temperature. Also, you can't legally fill it while mounted in such a fashion.
Quite unfortunately, this is one of those situations where you're very likely damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Now, for the good part, unless you are involved in a catastrophe, it is highly unlikely that you would ever have a problem. Few DOT regulations apply directly to private individuals driving their POV, personally owned vehciles on personal business.
In other words, while there are regulations that address such instances, go ahead and mount the damned thing where you wish, but don't tell anybody I told you to:-).
While you're at it, smoking is prohibited within 25 feet of such containers-if you're a smoker!
Oh, and while we're at it, don't forget your safety glasses and thermal and chemical protective gloves! Regulations require both at any time you are connecting/disconnecting cylinders.
Peace,
Paul |
anon
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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I don't believe I have seen Hank Hill use those gloves. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:10 pm: |
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Yeah, they're written into our written programs for forktrucks, etc. and I never see anybody use them, but then again, I have so many other safety hazards this doesn't seem real important.
Yeah, I know, bad attitude-industry and congressional mandates will do that to a man.
Peace,
Paul |
Paul Long
| | Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 11:40 am: |
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Paul S.; The question was he wants to TRANSPORT the cylinder, not connect it to a system or fill it on the vehicle. The safety rules written for industrial needs would not apply to residential use. Gloves and haz-mat devices are required when working with LP in liquid form. Filling tanks is considered liquid transfer, so gloves 'should' be worn when filling tanks due to a good possibility of liquid spillage on your hand. Most of us just move quick and avoid the chemical burn. It actually freezes skin on contact, but burns like hell. As far as smoking within 25 feet?? Must be a company rule since NFPA 58 specifies 5 ft. from container to ignition source and 10 ft. to ignition source when equipped with Multi-Fill valve that can be filled on site. All bar-b-que grills certainly have an ignition source closer than 25 feet to the tank.... Maybe that flame is OK at the co. picnic, just don't be smoking anywhere near that grill.!. Makes sense.
Anon; Hank Hill is a salesman. They don't like going home smelling like us service guys. They kinda have a smell of their own. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 04:26 pm: |
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Paul:
first off, I'm not trying to flame, just a well-intentioned technical discussion.
Thanks-you're right about the grill! Got me! While attending fire training at the local fire department training facility, I was dismayed to find a grill inside the building with the tank attached!
Transfers: The MSDS for our gas clearly states that when connecting tanks one is to wear both thermal and chemical protective clothing. Yeah, I know, I used to write them.
As for the 25 foot smoking thing, this comment came from my gas supplier who has so far been pretty helpful for my purposes.
As for residential versus industrial use, what are the chances of a fire inspector setting foot in your house absent a catstrophic fire? Slim, eh?
This is one of the many situations where the "incorporated by reference" clause is a killer. I find it difficult to resolve the fact that IOSHA inspectors will have no qualms with citing me for violating an NFPA regulation that I have to buy from NFPA to learn how to comply.
Paul |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 05:13 pm: |
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FWIW, two VDOT guys stopped and checked out my 1973 Series Truck parked at work. It was packed with all the gear a weekend camping trip. They inspected the fuel can on the rear door (painted red and had a Gasoline Warning Label) and also the propane tank laying sideways on the roof rack. It was secured with a couple rachet straps. They didn't do anything but I bet it could have caused a hassle if there was potential for the stuff to fall off on a public road. |
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