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     martin podgorski (Mpodgorski) New Member Username: Mpodgorski Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2003 |
here is the link to the pic and article, www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000154843.cfm?x=a1JTS7l,a12pDjHy | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 233 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, it kind of looks like a Land Rover. That's a good thing I guess. What are the odds that this thread makes it to over 600 posts? | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 558 Registered: 04-2002 |
jesus christ, looks like a disco ate a freelander. | ||
| martin podgorski (Mpodgorski) New Member Username: Mpodgorski Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
if you stare at the front end, the disco almost looks like the honda element, and the side plastic flares look like they were taken off the freelander | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) New Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2003 |
Not to be a total pessimist, but I don't see a real bright future for the Discovery model. Gas mileage is extremely poor and gas prices will do nothing but go up. The Eco people are coming down hard on SUVs. The pressure is on to dramatically increase the fuel economy of all vehicles. Since Land Rover only produces gas-hungry SUVs, it has no high gas mileage vehicles to balance against the gas guzzleing Range Rover and Discovery models. I think that we are going to see some radical changes to how Land Rover designs it's cars in the next 10 years as they try to rise to this challenge. Ford promised a 25% increase in fuel economy on all models in 5 years. That was two years ago. I guess that I'll have to hang on to my 98 Disco 1 for 30 years. | ||
| martin podgorski (Mpodgorski) New Member Username: Mpodgorski Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
here is where the front end came from for the new disco  | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 481 Registered: 09-2002 |
plus it's supposed to be "WAY more upscale than its current sibling." which sounds like it's going to be WAY more expensive. Not sure if they know where they want to price this thing... | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 233 Registered: 03-2002 |
unless those are 20" wheels in the tubs, i figure it is back to the sawsall if you want anything with some off road bite to 'em. maybe those flares will be like the mudflaps...one good rock to scrape them off. hopefully there will be actual openings behind them. mike | ||
| John Hamblin (Jhmover) New Member Username: Jhmover Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2003 |
F*U*G*L*Y They should put soccer ball decals on it and market it as the "Soccer Mom Special Parking Lot Edition" Then they could have a special model with a A bar on the front and market that as the "Shopping Cart Basher" model. | ||
| John Hamblin (Jhmover) New Member Username: Jhmover Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2003 |
Well when I went to Autospies to see the Disco Pic, I was curious and nosed around and read this about the new Volvo SUV...lmao on this. I'm not complaining about my gas mileage anymore either...... "As you know, the Spies picked the XC90 as our 2003 SUV of the year. We really love what it offers compared to other SUV's. Well, we finally discovered its one flaw and we think it's a serious one. To put it mildly...THE GAS MILEAGE SUCKS! We have been surveying owners of the vehicles for the last few months and we have yet to find one owner, who is getting more than 10MPG on the T6 and the 2.5 is not that much better. We're talking Hummer H2 mileage here! For cripes sakes! It's a sub 3 liter six! Is this the same 'environmentally conscious' Volvo we've come to know? We think there has to be something wrong and would love to hear back from Volvo, regarding this subject." | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 79 Registered: 04-2003 |
sigh.......... That hockey stick move at the beltline rear window must have been a leftover BMW touch.. | ||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2002 |
What's better is that LR "plans" to try to compete with BMW's X5. Another addition to the family of Freelander look-alikes: "Our UK spies tell us, Land rover is developing an X5 fighter, that is slighty smaller and sportier�than the Range Rover. Sources tell us the vehicle is just slightly larger than the current X5. It is also more aerodynamic looking than the 'boxier' Range Rover. It will use a Ford V8 engine and will be priced at or just below, the X5." Yikes! So where in the scheme of LR does the Disco fit in? Isn't the Disco the "mid-priced" of the LR line or is the 2005 "Discovery" actually a completely new replacement of the Discovery that we all know? This tells me that LR/Ford (call a duck a duck) doesn't even plan to manufacture the Disco after 2004. Mabe just rename it and call it the "Discolander". ???? | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 482 Registered: 09-2002 |
That's an interesting point Corey. Maybe all this talk about the common platform between the "new" Defender and the "new" Disco will just result in something that combines those two vehicles into one and altogether eliminating the Discoverys and Defenders from the line up, hence the baby RR. Not sure how Ford thinks its own V8 engine is going to be able to compete with the X5 engine either. Isn't it a 5 Series or 7 Series engine?? Maybe getting that 110 from the UK and having it shipped over isn't so bad an idea after all... | ||
| Tony Zuniga (Tony23007) Member Username: Tony23007 Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2003 |
I hope that's just a spy touch up photo because that thing is not a Disco it's something else!!! What are this new designers thinking, the Hummer H2?? the Honda Element?? the Avalanche??? that frekaking Raveneus thing???? and now the Disco..... I have to say the more I look at my 95 disco the more I like it!!! | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 574 Registered: 07-2002 |
Won't be doing anything but having a nice ride on the road and up to the ski slopes. Re-sale projection values... DIII: Lease only or be prepared to bite the bullet. DI: Investment. 98-99 DII: Get your money's worth in 10 years. Defender: Retirement paid in full. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 295 Registered: 02-2002 |
i kinda like it. its not the vehicle its predessors were. but we all knew that it wasnt going to be. for what it is.. its not that bad. I had expected much worse. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 483 Registered: 09-2002 |
I guess time will tell but it seems a little too mainstream for me. It doesn't have the LR "feel" to it. The new RR doesn't either. You look at the older LR's and you get this feeling of toughness and heritage but that photo above and the new RR's are more glitzy and have a trendy feel to it. Maybe it's just me or maybe that's the direction LR/Ford wants to go. | ||
| Steven Ratajczyk (Stevenr) New Member Username: Stevenr Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2003 |
I think the yuppie soccer moms will love it. It kinda lost that rugged go anywhere feel. Even the 2003 Rangie is getting that way. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 403 Registered: 02-2003 |
sounds like the "baby" range rover they have been talking about introducing | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2003 |
I, too, expected much worse. It's lost its waistline though. And the angled rear side window looks like an old fart trying to be hip.  | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1549 Registered: 02-2002 |
Front end of a Rangie, Seats and Roof Rails of a D2, and the rear end of an Exploder. I wonder why they pver exaggerated the Wheel Flares? | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 447 Registered: 11-2002 |
At least the rims look kinda good.... | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 245 Registered: 01-2003 |
Those pictures look so fake it's not funny. I think Carters H2 photoshop pics look better. Isn't this the same publication that had fake pics of the new defender? I don't think that is what it will look like. The pictures look like someone photo shopped together a 2003 d2, RR# and a freelander. I personally think that the discovery looks utilitarian and bland currentally. I really don't mind that picture even if it is fake as long as I could get it with decent clearence, overhangs, a cdl and SFA/SRA. If they gave me all that and the truck was boring to look at, I'd still be happy | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 647 Registered: 03-2002 |
Didn't you describe the D1? I'm sorry, I just feel like this is horseshit. I understand why they're doing this, I'm not naive about the marketplace, but I can't see any reason to give anymore money to LR/Ford. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 296 Registered: 02-2002 |
with the success of the H2 and the Rubicon i dont understand how ford can be so blind to the fact that a specialty niche "off-road ready" vehicle would sell. i suggested to the powers that be that they sell a stripped down solid axle 4.6 disco along side the "new" explorer/disco. I mean stripped to.. no carpets, steel wheels, HD springs, CDL, cloth or duragrain, d1 style climate controls, no roofs.. no heated seats.. no fogs.. a purpose built machine much like the rubicon. That way then can still mildly satisfy the enthusiasts as well as the nuevo hip-suv buyer. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 450 Registered: 11-2002 |
The should offer an off-road package, both enthusiasts and posuers(however the hell you spell it) would both buy it!!! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
Gil, you're in the wrong department over there... | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 246 Registered: 01-2003 |
I have a D1, I would want to replace it with a 2005 discovery that had the cdl, sfa/sfr. If it looks modern I don't think I have an issue with it as long as it was capible and modifiable as my d1. Even the rubicon has carpeted floors and alloy wheels. The H2 is quite nice on the inside, I think just as fancy as a discovery. Gil is right, if LR could just build a offroad edition, or new version of the XD that would be great. But I'm sure if they did I would want heated seats though.  I'm also sure that they wouldn't import it into the US in fear of some whank taking LR to court after they got a splinter in there ass while offroad. Its funny, I looked at buying a Rubicon, in the warrenty they say if you take it even on a dirt road basically you void any connection to jeep. Look at the ads for the rubicon rock crawling for the marketing verses legal department arguements. I think LRNA is going for the market, those soccer moms spend way more than the small group of owners here on Dweb. Hell most of us here still drive D1's, I'm sure LRNA could care less about our opinion if we aren't looking to buy a new LR. I know build one I would want, or import the one I want and I'll run down to the dealer today. Problem is unless LR see's that money they won't do anything for us. When I use to manage a bicycle shop my motto was "until they give me money, the customer is just talking". Unless LR see's the market for the new XD edition, they won't bring it in. Look at the G4 edition out now, wow a roof rack, brush bar, important lamp guards, and an ugly color. That's the way the market is headed. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 297 Registered: 02-2002 |
pretty soon ill be in no department.. my stint with LR ends June 30th. My stint in CT ends then as well. I cant take it here anymore. Ill actually be out your way, and everybody elses for that matter, this summer. im off to tour the country in search of a new residence. | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 298 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Look at the G4 edition out now, wow a roof rack, brush bar, important lamp guards, and an ugly color" and price tag north of $39,000. I said a stripped version to keep the tag under $34,000. it could work if LRNA actually had a "car person" working for them. They dont.. they have people with decent resumes but no passion for the products. | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2003 |
Man, that is sweet! I want it. hehehehe Brendan 95 Disco that looks cewl | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2002 |
I doubt that photo is fake. Compare it with previous ones of the disguised D3 here: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956&n=158,178&sid=178. As the owner of one of those "extreme off-road appearance" (from LRNA's press release) edition trucks, I'd immediately trade my Discovery for a Defender if I could get one. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 658 Registered: 10-2002 |
I saw that magazine at Borders. The inside article talked about how the new Discovery was more civilized like the current RR, would sport a new more powerful Ford/Jag engine and would have all round indepentant suspension like the RR. The article touted these changes and how it would help improve on the road performace. Bummer. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 247 Registered: 01-2003 |
Oh I agree with you Gil, but I like heated seats after a day of playing in the snow. Plus I'm a wuss and like a hot ass. The rubicon is about 9k more than a X edition wrangler. I don't think a 39k price would be out of line if a new XD came with lockers f/r, cdl, waterproof interior, winch and a-bar, sliders ($G like the kalihari?),Safety devices HD safari rack, those important lamp guards, MT wranglers upsized, hd lr springs (not a airbag suspension). I wonder if those tail lights will fit into my d1? | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2002 |
I wonder how much longer Land Rover can continue to spend the credit the Series, Defender, RRC, and Discovery trucks built for them. As Alan Yim pointed out, Land Rover's "toughness and heritage" comes out of the past, from distant places all over the world, not from suburban parking lots. I just hope that what we're seeing here in the new RR and Discovery is only skin-deep - more about styling than about function. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Senior Member Username: Blue Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2003 |
i like a hot ass too | ||
| Praveen K (Praveenk22) New Member Username: Praveenk22 Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2003 |
I just saw the pic of the '04 Disco. What the F***'s wrong with FORD. Can't they get their act together and keep the rugged look of the Disco. Those designer's better stop smoking P*T !!!! | ||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 234 Registered: 10-2002 |
Someone pointed it out in the other thread on this subject. Where do you put the winch bumper? | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 299 Registered: 02-2002 |
hey man.. theres nothing wrong with smoking p*t!! "Where do you put the winch bumper?"... you dont, i think thats the point.. no winching!! | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 451 Registered: 11-2002 |
why are you editing pot? Is this a bad word? Nothing wrong with pot, but in the words of L.T. "Which brings me to my next point kids, don't smoke crack!" | ||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 564 Registered: 04-2002 |
I just looked at the pic again for some reason... Its even uglier the second time, I hope the people that buy those things don't try to come hang out here. | ||
| Praveen K (Praveenk22) New Member Username: Praveenk22 Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2003 |
I was trying to point out the creative prowess one can achieve when you do pot.....those who know what I mean But if you're a hardcore disco buff, one wouldn't even try damaging the disco look ; those damn f***ing designers !!! | ||
| Gil Stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 301 Registered: 02-2002 |
"I was trying to point out the creative prowess one can achieve when you do pot.....those who know what I mean " are you sure you arent talking about LSD?? talk about kicking up the creative process.. | ||
| Glen Hernandez (Polofella26) New Member Username: Polofella26 Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree with Carter. Whoever buys that thing should start their own club....they can call it whatever they want, but keep it outta here. However it still is a Disco so It hurts to discriminate but they brought this on themselves. Ugliest thing I have ever seen.....!!!!looks like every other SUV out there now!! | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) New Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2003 |
I remember seeing posts from the Ford Escape forum. It was so sad (and hysterically funny at the same time). The suspension system on these pieces of crap have absolutely no flex. These guys were so excited that they were able to get a wheel 2' into the air (on nearly flat ground). Me, I like to keep my wheels firmly planted on the ground. If this day ever comes where I am forced to ride around in a pretend off-road machine like that, please shoot me because I've probably gone insane and haven't realized it yet. Thanks, Mike B. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2002 |
I shouldn't get started on car design, but... It's dangerous to give too much influence on the development of new vehicles to designers and marketers. Land Rovers used to look (and perform, I'd guess) much better before Land Rover could afford a real design department. But now, having been influenced by two of the most design-heavy companies (BMW and Ford) around, Land Rover has begun to introduce these horribly design-y looking trucks. Just look at what Chris Bangle did to the BMW 7-series and Z4. Bangle isn't a car designer, just a designer. He likes pretty things. It seems the design department at Ford/Land Rover does too, and wants to show it. Dare I use the word effeminate? This is not a new thing. The last time designers, as opposed to engineers, got all the power over vehicle development, we got tailfins and two-toned paint schemes. And this is not a Land Rover thing either. Look at the Pontiac Aztek, the Toyota Matrix, the Element, all the newest BMW's. All look like products, like sculptures, not like cars. How does this effete design end up in production vehicles? Because marketers decide it has to. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 792 Registered: 09-2002 |
The guy who designed the 745i and Z4 should be subjected to the most cruel and unusual punishment... | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 484 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL...maybe the new Disco with come with a little dial/lever that can perform 458 different functions... | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2002 |
Peter/Chris- Yes, Chris Bangle truly messed up the 7 series (have you seen the new 5 series?-not a step in the right direction IMHO) which is why BMW is changing various design features on the 7 series during the next couple of years. I actually like the Z4. Have you seen one next to an old Z3? I think looks much better. Drives better too but I still prefer Boxster S. With the future of LR going in this direction my '89 RRC should APPRECIATE in value. | ||
| kurt tompkins (Kwt) New Member Username: Kwt Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2003 |
Dear Ford, That Sucks. No wonder they are so bad off. Leave a good thing alone. | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 168 Registered: 03-2003 |
Looks like shit to me. Guess i won't be buying a new disco in the future. Ford really shit on us this time. | ||
| Federico (Fede) New Member Username: Fede Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2003 |
The only good thing about that FORD-inspired Detroit ghetto-mobile is that our discoveries will now become classics because there will never be another one of them again. But it's very easy to understand how this disaster happened; You can't trust the brains behind the Tempo to understand a true original. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 485 Registered: 09-2002 |
let's not forget the Pinto... | ||
| Paul Long (Humveewannabe) Member Username: Humveewannabe Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2003 |
Or the Escort | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1550 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hopefully, I'll be able to find a Series III when the Pig dies. Paul '00 Pig | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just think of the bagging these guys will get when they start posting their tech questions. | ||
| martin podgorski (Mpodgorski) New Member Username: Mpodgorski Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2003 |
some more info on the 2005 discovery the picture is the real deal -current disoc is a 100 inches, the new one will be 114. The rear passenger doors will open 90 degrees and have less of the wheel well in the way. - it will be a body on frame vehicle - independent front and rear suspension and all round air suspension - they are NOT using a V6, it will be a 300hp jaguar V8 -this disco will make its world premier at the Paris Auto Show in May 2004 and will be brought to the States the summer of 2004 as a 2005 martin | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2002 |
So, mechanically, it sounds as if some improvements may have been made. It's just so hard to keep that in mind when I look at that overdesigned exterior. And what are the chances that the Discovery will remain remotely affordable with air suspension? All the more reason to look at that neglected Series pickup down the road... | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2002 |
The Test book will probably be an optional extra. | ||
| Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Senior Member Username: Speedminded Post Number: 275 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ford doesn't know how to market an off-road vehicle...they've never had anything to gain experience from. So far all their vehicles have been bottom of the bag and now they don't know what do to when they pay $2.7 Billion for some sticky green. The proportion of that Disco pic is way off or maybe its just the height of the body colored front bumper making the entire vehicle look narrow. Go buy a used Disco for the price of those 18"+ AT/Mud grip tires. They must be involved with the Crosslander (www.crosslander4x4.com) somehow too. ARO hired a company in Brazil to make them (big Ford manufacturing area) and they are being sold at Ford dealerships. Only importing 6,000 per year though. I think it may be Fords new "off-road" vehicle and they'll do away with Land Rover having off-road characteristics or be anywhere close to price for the off-road consumer. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 329 Registered: 10-2002 |
Easy on Chris Bangle and that design firm. I find that it's just too trendy to attack him neglecting the many positive things he's done. Personaly, I love the Z4, not only for it's appearance, but much MORE importantly, it's lower price tag and much improved performance over the Z3. The 7 has also grown on me. I appreciate that BMW doesn't over involve the public in its exterior design process. They have firmly stated that the momentary desires of the auto consumer are too fleeting and trendy. Bimmers last a long, long time and the company uses that as their key design philosophy. They know their cars are still going to be on the road in 15 years and they want them to look significant and stylish then. Not only for the person driving it, but for their ongoing image and sales success. That's another reason why almost all of their designs pay homage to earlier forms. The Z8 is a near copy of a 507 just as the beloved boxster is very similar to a 550 spyder. In addition, unlike the ford managment of land rover, BMWs continute to improve dramaticaly in performance regardless of styling movements. Read the previous issue of Bimmer for some more insight on the BMW out of house desing process. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 794 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jack, could you elaborate - how 745i of today is better in performance than 750iL of 12 years ago? How a Z4 is better than 323i of 19 years ago? Z4 looks like cartoon, just as Z3 like Miata. 745i is full of creepy exterior design features - very unlike the many years of BMW's past. I've seen a late 5-series - it isn't so fucked up as 745, but headed there for sure. FWIW, I like the look of the current RR and Disco, but not the morph that's shown on the mag photo. peter | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2002 |
The only thing that the front headlight (cats eye glasses) treatment on the new 7 series (and upcoming 5 series) harks back to is the ugly 2000cs. When they came out with the 2800cs/3.0 they fixed it and should have left it buried. I felt as Peter does about the Z4 until I saw it in person and drove one. But then I have a 914-6 and think it looks great too... | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2002 |
Actually, there's a lot I like about the new 7-series (I can't at all say the same about the Z4.) It has real presence. Still, I do think everything Bangle's done is over-done. | ||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 229 Registered: 10-2002 |
FWIW. The way I see things developing is that the new design of all 4x4's is aimed at attracting more of the general public who, in the past were adverse to buying a 'truck'. In doing so, the manufacturers these days don't take into consideration the 1-2% who buy these vehicle and actually take them off-road. Gone are the days of the 'truck' look, or build for that matter, it's all about volume, and sadly, the owner/mechanic/customiser is slowly being forced to rely more and more on getting his problems fixed by the dealer (resetting the SRS light is a good example),as the electronics become more complex. So it would be fair to say that future 4x4's will end up looking more like cars, with lots of new innovations and hopeless off-road, eg, Mercedes ML320, BMW X5, Porche Cayenne to name a few. Hold onto your current Discovery's, as my guess is they will become collectors items. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here's more on the upcoming "X5 Fighter" or "Lifestyle Model": http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000155665.cfm | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 496 Registered: 11-2002 |
20 inch rims!!! 8 sec 0-60! I want the engine, but not 20s. A showroom bling bling rover, god the insanity! | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2002 |
Of course, the new Range Rover had that big pimpin' look, but people on this board who have seen them work offroad are impressed. |
