| Author | Message | ||
     Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
how do i? ... anyone know? I think a new engine deserves to start at 0000000.. if for no other reason so that I can not have to do math constantly... and no i am not selling it.. ever.. | ||
| Chris Gregg (Tofergregg) New Member Username: Tofergregg Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2003 |
As far as I know, it is still illegal, regardless if you are planning on selling it ever or not. That said, I don't know how to do it...sorry! | ||
| Joel (Jsaenz80) New Member Username: Jsaenz80 Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2003 |
I know its possible, most engines have a one time reset for like when a dealer is going to sell it to take those couple of miles its been driven from the dock or wherever to the agency. Not sure how to though... | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) New Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2003 |
Do the easy thing and just put in a new Speedometer and then 0000000 all done. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2003 |
illegal? why would it be illegal...??????? I would think what is illegal is mis-representing it to someone... when selling it to them. there is no one who is going to lock me up for changing the odometer on my own property... I do OWN the truck... and all its pieces.. I am considering the buy a new one route, but its about $150 or so.. so obviously if someone knows another way I would love to hear it. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2232 Registered: 02-2002 |
Richard, Yes, you own the vehicle, but it is still illegal to reset the odometer. You're right, the jist of the law is to keep someone from being deceived if they are going to buy a vehicle, but, it is still illegal. Yes, you can legally buy a replacement odometer, but you have to have a stamped plate stating the mileage on the old odometer put into the door jamb indicating such. FWIW.... -L | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2003 |
state law? federal? ...wives tale? im not buying it.. anyone got some links to back it up? If order a new odometer / spedometer module, who is going to stamp it ? Atlantic British? Nathan? I doubt it... how / why will they? maybe im using it as a desk ornament, maybe im selling it... i dont mean to sound like im barking, just playing out what seems to me to be some a logical though process. | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) New Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2003 |
http://www2.state.ga.us/GaOCA/Bro_odo.htm This page also sites the Federal law. | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2002 |
15 U.S.C. § 1984 [Section 404 of the Act]: UNLAWFUL CHANGE OF MILEAGE No person shall disconnect, reset, or alter or cause to be disconnected, reset, or altered, the odometer of any motor vehicle with intent to change the number of miles indicated thereon. | ||
| Matt Morian (Mmoria01) New Member Username: Mmoria01 Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2003 |
I've done it on a few cars about 10 yaers ago. I remember doing a 86 Ford pickup with just a butter knife once I got the odometer out. Did it on a friends old Subaru and was with him when he traded it in. When he was handing over the keys, title, etc... he told the dealer the milage was incorrect, the dealer noted it down, and didn't ask any questions about it. I think all you need to do is disclose that you know it is incorrect. If someone comes back to you and says "hey it looks like it's been tampered with" you can say yea, I'm a do-it-yourselfer and I tried to fix it when it broke. Anyway, that all was like 10 years ago and maybe today things have changed. I assume it's a mechanical odometer? -Matt | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2002 |
it is like the NONRESETABLE GRAND TOTAL in any cash register you buy...it is there to prevent fraud and the gov does not want you to screw with it. are there ways to work around it? yeah...but it is still against the law. hey joey...six minutes faster....! good work! mike | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2236 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LH002563.HTM In most cases, state laws either replicate or exceeed the federal equivelent. -L | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) New Member Username: Newman Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
See also Wisconsin Statutes s. 347.415. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2003 |
OK, I read all that.. thanks for the posts.. What I got from reading them is that I can reset it to zero like I want to and that I only need to put a sticker with the mileage at the change on the door.. Also even though those pages have some detail, there only seem to be a listing that it is a civil issue, and that the crime occurs during the attempt to misrepresent. So, now that the legality is all settled.. back to my original question.. Does anyone know how to do it? | ||
| Matt Morian (Mmoria01) New Member Username: Mmoria01 Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2003 |
If it is mechanical? Well they are all a little different, my advice is see if you can first take it out easily then put it back in and make sure it still works. If that all goes smooth, take it out again. Inspect it good. You will probably get an idea how it works. If you can, go to a junk yard and pull out a bunch of odometers and see if any of them are similar to yours. If so, experiment on those first. Then look at: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/odometer1.htm I can give you more info depending on your status from above. 1 tip to keep in mind. Try to set it to something that will soon turn all the numbers. Ex. if you are trying to set it to 0000000, then set it to 9999900 so in 100 miles, all the drums will turn otherwise if you try and set them manually, some digits may be centered high and others low. -Matt | ||
| Jim H. (Victor_mature) Member Username: Victor_mature Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2003 |
Richard, I disagree that "a new engine deserves to start at 0000000." Engine's are the easy part, high mileage is more telling on the rest of the vehicle, i.e. transmission, transfer case, swivel balls, suspension, etc . . . Unless you've noted in your will that you want to be buried in your LR, someone, somewhere, sometime will be kicking the tires on a vehicle with 200,000 miles on it with an odometer that reads 85,000. That's why it's illegal. That said, if you can get to the face of the odometer, dental instruments will work to move the drums, roll forward though the numbers rather than trying to roll backward (they're cammed one way). JH | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2239 Registered: 02-2002 |
Richard, No, you didn't read all of that. If you had, you would have seen that a) the act of rolling back an odometer is a federal offense b) if you replace an odometer, you are supposed to roll it to where the old odometer was if possible c) any discrepancy is to be noted in the door You're right that they can't add fraud to the list of charges if you disclose it, but to physically adjust the odometer to a lower mileage is illegal all by itself. The only way I can picture that it would be legal would be that, if yours broke, and you found a replacement that read higher, and you were adjusting the replacement to match your old one, then it would be legal. Otherwise, nope, it's not. -L | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Member Username: Charles Post Number: 212 Registered: 08-2002 |
Note to self never buy a vehicle that has Richard Dekkard on the title. | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 88 Registered: 04-2003 |
Leslie, I read it carefully, and it there are certain legitimate reasons for reseting it. I as a qualified mechanic on my Land Rover am determining that by me putting in a diesel engine and to aid with maintenance of the new engine am setting it to 0000000 along with the other changes to the instruments to accomodate the change in engine. I will make the appropriate note on the door panel as Im required to, and the title shall always reflect the original mileage plus whatever is on the new odometer. I dont see the problem. Or maybe I just drop the it on the floor, and then I aint spending the countless hours moving those little drums forward to 94,700 miles on the new one I get.. Jim, just for the record the only things not new on the truck are the frame, body, axle housing, interior,steering column and brake calipers. Rest is all new... Charles... you wish ..  Truth is, I would be as equally happy if I could roll it forward to 100,000.. the point is to have it at a round easy starting point. | ||
| Matt Morian (Mmoria01) New Member Username: Mmoria01 Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2003 |
PowerDrill with locking trigger. | ||
| Glen Hernandez (Polofella26) New Member Username: Polofella26 Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2002 |
Go to the city, (Harlem, L.A., Bronx..etc....) and ask the first shady guy that you see on the street at 1am in the morning to roll it back for you and you'll give him him $10. Just make sure he doesn't take off with it. I am certain they will know about this scam.. ;) | ||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2003 |
boy this subject sure did expose the underbelly of discowebbers.. | ||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 814 Registered: 02-2002 |
as my pappy would say nothing is againest the law until you get caught. Richard if you are wanting to rollback to make yourself feel better and you plan on keeping the truck forever, have at it. but, when you go to sale it best be sure that everyone and his brother knows that the odmeter does not accuratley reflect the true milage that the vehicle has, otherwise you will find yourself in somebodies court. mike w |
