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     Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2003 |
www.eastcoastrover.com/editorial.html I went to the event. Very few attendees....so this type of incident simply sucks. | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 99 Registered: 02-2003 |
It's a sign of the times, unfortunately. I suppose those people who complained about a $30 land use fee and expected ECR to pay it for them out of their own pocket are the same kind of people who expect this site to be available free of charge forever, and think the items in the store should be given away for free. - Axel | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 454 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think maybe those people stole the winch to make up for the $30 they had to pay. What ass holes, I hate those kind of people who think everything should be free. Axel you are EXACTLY right! | ||
| Jeffry Scott (Jeffry) Member Username: Jeffry Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2002 |
What a shame that people would do that - and a bigger shame that ECR feels they can no longer sponsor such events. I'm in Arizona and will probably never have a chance to even visit their shop, but they seem to be a leader in the Land Rover community with the modifications and rebuilding of vehicles. It's terrible that a few irresponsible assholes would do this at any event. | ||
| D. Chapman (1hank1) Senior Member Username: 1hank1 Post Number: 291 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just raise the fee to $150.00, then you get a better croud of Land Rover guys. Dont let the people know it but when the weekend is over, and there is no carnage, send the folks a refund of 120.00. You would tickle the shit out of the attendees or have the money to fix what ever went wrong. But then you have to also see that if the people who attend an event in New England from out of state the 30.00 fee would not be the half if it. Alot of people would be looking at 100.00 in gas, 50.00 for food for camping or 100.00 to go out every night, hotel rooms or camping equipment, damaged parts etc... I think there was just some drunk asshole who runed it for everyone else. | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2003 |
If $30 is too much for a Rover driver, then what are they doing driving such an exclusive vehicle? Maybe they should have stuck with a Bronco or Scout. Sound more like those guys would be more their type. I wonder if these are the same people that pay $50 and even $100+ for Harley events without batting an eye. We have such a cheap society on these shores. No wonder I'm the only American that flies all over the world just to attend events. The Harley reps have even told me that I'm the only person not working for Harley that they see at all the rallies in Asia, S American, etc. And no I'm not retired. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 417 Registered: 02-2003 |
luis, land rover discovery and range rover are no longer expensive vehicles to purchase. to keep them running yes, but you can still be poor and own a rover like me. there is a difference between broke and cheap, you are obviously too well off to know the difference. there is more to life than a stupid car or motor cylce. i think it is somewhat pathetic to fly across the world just to attend a rally. i also think $30 is steep to go to the fiddlehead rally when i know of tons of places i can go for free, all up and down the east coast, west coat and in the middle. since i agree that the $30 was expensive that does not make me side with the crooks, i think it was terrible. i also have not lost respect for ECR because they wanted to charge $30, doesn't bother me in the slightest and probably is a bargain for people who are ignorant about where they can drive for free.i just choose to wheel with my friends for free. this coming from someone who has been around the world and driven his land rover across the united states to offroad and site see. you are not what you own, luis. -rob davison | ||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 85 Registered: 11-2002 |
No offense Luis, but WTF are you talking about? It really sucks that the ECR event caused such a problem that Mike had to post an editorial and declare the event the final one. It doesn't matter if you drive a Rover or a Harley or a Scout, if you go to great lengths to organize an event and it ends up being an intolerable pain in the ass, especially because of whiners and thieves, then that plain sucks and it's a shame that Mike and ECR had to be the recipients. No one cares if you ship your Harley to the ends of the earth - this is not about you. kirk | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 623 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey, my Disco has been all over the malls of New Jersey...does that count?  LMAO... You crack me up Luis! Glenn | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 624 Registered: 02-2002 |
As far as the ECR event, that does suck! We were there 2 years ago and we had a good time. Nice town, nice trails and great scenery. If I remember correctly, the event was free last time (I'm not too sure). While I would rather wheel for free myself, I don't see a problem contributing to the organizers a small fee of $30 for their efforts. I know how what kind of hard work they do to get those events off the ground and I support them by paying a small charge. That sucks about those crooks too! Glenn | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 116 Registered: 01-2003 |
Sure there are all kinds of places to wheel for free. Thats not the point. A $30.00 fee for any event, though a little high, is not unreasonable when the possible expenses are considered. Event insurance alone can be quite costly. Those same crooks would visit their lawyers before their doctors if they even sprained a pinkie in such an event. Having a large fee then refunding what is left is an interesting idea though. -Reed | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1560 Registered: 02-2002 |
$30 for an event? Man that is nothing. People seem to forget that there are those who sacrifice a lot of hours to plan these activities. Plus in the litigous world which we live in, there is the nasty cost of insurance, permits, and building fees. Don't forget the fees in garbage / sewage disposal...you know beer bottles, baked beans and honey buckets. Now as for the theft of stuff. The individual responsible should be hung upside down and set on fire in front of his family. Period. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 488 Registered: 09-2002 |
People seem to forget that it takes a willingness to commit the time and energy to organize an event like this (from start to finish) as well as the legal responsiblities that go along with it so charging a nominal fee is not unreasonable. If you think it's too high, then don't go. Simple as that. But don't go, pay the fee and then bitch about it afterwards. As far as the stealing goes, that's just plain despicable. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 419 Registered: 02-2003 |
YEAH, $30 is too much for me. i don't appreciate all the effort beacuse it is not a value to me or my experience. i do not require a trail guide nor do i want one. i do not want to wheel with strangers. if i was new into the sport the $30 would be a very good value, but i am not new, that's my only point. i understand land use and taxes and all that stuff and i donate to orginizations to help protect my environmental interest. rd | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 625 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob, like gp, has "been around".... Glenn | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 421 Registered: 02-2003 |
that's right glenn, and i havent ran into garrett once , so i think i been to the right places rd | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 399 Registered: 08-2002 |
I agree that theft, this kind especially is disgusting. However why would ECR run a business where parts could be stolen easily from thier "yard". However it is also disgusting that he blames "the land rover masses". If I were running a business selling new warn winches, you better believe it that all my winches would be locked up in a parts depot, ESPECIALLY during such an event. Not to mention that the editorial is pretty insulting even if you were not one of the attendees. We all lock our door merely to keep the honest, honest. A theif can break in a take whatever he chooses. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) New Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 23 Registered: 05-2003 |
Well, it seems ECR has a good idea who snitched the parts, according to the editorial. There is the Police or P.I.'s. The other comment was "when the public lands on the East coast are closed, $30 bucks for riding good trails will be cheap" or something like that. Sounds like the East coast folks need to organize ala CA4WD or other similar groups. Too bad, but certain enviro groups have an agenda 180 degrees opposite from most of us. And a lot of politicians will do their bidding...i.e. Diane Feinstien nad the Desert Protection Act. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree with Paul about the use of the funds. Personally I don't think that 30 bucks isn't too much. But what is most important is that the 30 bucks was used to get me into an event that I enjoyed. Example: The Uhwarrie Safari and MAR. I enjoyed both events to the fullest and enjoyed talking (and shooting the bull, LOL) with fellow rover owners. A lot of people got info from me, and I got a lot of info from others. Then on top of that was 4 wheelin. I'll admit, MAR doesn't have the most challenging trails that ever graced the east coast, but I still enjoyed them. Yea, I like these wheelin' events that don't cost me anything (in the end, I'm still a Cheap Bastard with a small income). But these events that people put on are time consuming as well as costly. I'm sure that if Mike from ECR said that the land use and other expenditures cost X dollars, and there were 30 trucks involed, so everyone has to pay Y dollars with a significant sum being donated by ECR, a lot of people would be suprised about how much money was involved. Food for thought. Max T. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 128 Registered: 02-2003 |
The winch and lights were installed on a customers car that was being finished.... | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) New Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2003 |
To Rob and anybody else that may get the impression that I am above free things. (posting from 01JUL above) I enjoy the free things in life as well. I have an average income and not a lot stored away. I do get out and enjoy life. I live my dreams. I attend events in other lands so that I can see these places in the company of individuals that have the same interest I do and not from the window of some stupid tour bus on some arrange itinerary. My travels are very cheap. I opt to stay in $5.00 a night youth hostels, or even free if I get invited to stay with a family. Like my recent trip to the Middle East, 8 days and all I spent was $142.00. It does help, however, to have a fleet of planes at your disposal. I work for the airlines. If that same offroad event had been $50, I would have drawn the line. I just get a little flustered sometimes when I hear ourselves, myself included, complain about how expensive things are when we really have things good here. People in other countries are so grateful when they get anything. | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1576 Registered: 02-2002 |
$30, let's get serious. Living in Indiana, there is virtually no free wheeling, in fact, there is little to no wheeling (thanks to Brendan for his hard work in getting a place opened!). As a result, I must travel lengthy distances to go wheeling. In order for me to get to the UP where I prefer to wheel, I'm looking at a 500 mile trek (you know what gas mileage these vehicles get, you do the math). The Red River Gorge is 300 miles minimum. Add food and if necessary, hotel rooms, we're talking an expensive trip. As for the theft, that goes without saying. Peace, Paul | ||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2002 |
Luis, Not talking with respect to ERC event but in general: Just because other countries are worse off, doesn't mean we have to lower our standards. Every time I complain about expensive gasoline, I hear "In Europe it's worse". So what? Does that mean we should strive to have prices higher than Europe or be worse off than poor countries? Or should we try to preserve the good. We have less and less stuff that's really free or cheap every year. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2003 |
$30.00, let's see, that's a tank gas...popcorn and a movie...drinkin' one night with friends at a bar...pizza and dvd rental...what the fuck...30 bucks for a off-road event, and have the fucking nerve to complain when not even attending...sometimes the stupid shit people say on this board makes want to find them and kill them....as for someone stealing shit, find them, cut thier hands off, then hang them upside down and burn them... | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2003 |
one other thing, how about the time and effort spent by Mike and his crew from ECR to put together the event...and have assholes complain about 30 bucks...I wish I could have been there...I have no problem throwing 30 bucks toward a event to meet other rovers owners...ok, maybe I don't want to meet the assholes who stole the stuff...they'd be in a world of hurt if i caught them... Frank | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) New Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
I honestly hope the people who stole that stuff get's caught, because theives just plain suck. Theives are the reasons for a lot of problems in life, like insurance rates out of orbit, the fact that you can't park it in certain area's without worrying about it, and the list goes on. I just can't understand the mentality behind people who can't leave their hands off of someone else's stuff, something that someone obviously worked hard to buy. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1564 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm with you Frank! | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 194 Registered: 02-2002 |
Paul, You need to go south. My brother and I go offroading near a small town called Houston, IN, which is about 45 minutes south of Bloomington. It's about 3.5 hours from Fort Wayne. You can see pics of it in my gallery or my brother's. Every year with rain erosion the ruts get deeper and deeper. It's free. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 426 Registered: 02-2003 |
i come to the realization sometimes that shit just aint worth paying for because it lacks personal value. i find no value in the event so i would pay the money i dont understand how ya'll can't grasp this concept. it's not about cheap or rich, it's about personal value. rd | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1598 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike: I have driven parts of Elkinsville Road. I'll see what we can do about coming down to visit you. Thanx for the suggestion. Peace, Paul | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 195 Registered: 02-2002 |
No problem. Like I said, things get nastier and nastier every year. I started going three years ago; a year before I got my Disco. Then, a Tahoe was able to make it. Now, things are a little different. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 501 Registered: 09-2002 |
Rob - It's not a matter of grasping the concept or not. If you don't value that kind of thing, then don't go, such as the choice you made. But appreciate the fact that it takes an effort and willingness to organize something like that. It costs someone something to do that. It's nice when we can get it for free but don't expect it. I just find it distasteful when people bitch about $30 for something like that AFTER making the decision to go. If you make the decision not to go because of the $30, then fine. IT'S $30 FOR CHRIST SAKE! We all probably spend $30 a week on things we don't even think about or can remember for that matter. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 430 Registered: 02-2003 |
alan, i understand your point and i think if ECR puts on a rover rally like they restore and build land rovers it would be first class all the way. my point is that i can see why someone would think that $30 is too much money. rd | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1565 Registered: 02-2002 |
Damn Man, Two good cigars will cost you $30. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 502 Registered: 09-2002 |
LOL...true Paul. With some peoples smoking habits I see, they probably spend more than that a week. Yea, I can see your point too Rob. There's lots of places for me to go around here for free too so I can understand not finding value in the fee but at the same time, some people like these types of events to get together and meet new people. I guess it really depends on what your purpose is to attend something like this. If it's for actual wheeling, then I'm sure we could all go get a bunch of friends together and go wheel for free but if it's to get together with other Rover owners and shoot the breeze, might not be so easy. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 434 Registered: 02-2003 |
word... | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 435 Registered: 02-2003 |
paul, if you care to prove that the $30 is an insignificant amount of money i accept paypal | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 503 Registered: 09-2002 |
lol...so do i. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1566 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sorry Rob, I refuse to fuel your appetite for Pittsburgh Steeler urinal cakes.  | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 581 Registered: 07-2002 |
Over here in Oregon, we can't even drive on half of the logging roads anymore - even during hunting season. It's a federal law with possible fine if you violate... which means that if they are not closed in your state, they soon will be. All give thanks to Clinton - really, nothing political, it's just that the closures really are his baby. Probably the only legacy he will have. $30 bucks sounds fine to me if it is organized, pays for land fees, etc... Besides, it is a private company doing a LAND ROVER event, would you want just anyone coming into your party with no accountability?? $30 keeps (most) people honest and makes it all official when the stupids decide to sue or complain. http://landrover.mrbaileyshistory.net | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2003 |
Paul (S) Mike and Chris, Looks like we need to have a get together soon South of Bloomington where Mike mentioned. Paul, thanks for the kind words about redbird. It's opening this weekend on the 7th. It looks like Chris will be there on Friday helping out. We put in over 13 years hard work making sure Indiana started it's first OHV park (law was in place in 1972 to start one). For more information, go to my site: http://www.redbirdsra.com and http://www.howboucha.com will be fixed soon. Brendan 95 Disco who has been all over Indiana! Can't afford to fly around the world yet, and wouldn't ride an HD. I am a real enthusiast, not a poseur! | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 73 Registered: 01-2003 |
I forgot to mention that the link is dead. I couldn't read the editorial, but I too hate theives. B.K. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes paul, mike, brendan we should head down there. We can also get mike wilson I think, he lives down in bloomington, he would be up for it i bet... Marcel | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1606 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ike is in Bloomington, if we can stand him bashing us for having coil springs. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 200 Registered: 02-2002 |
Any excuse to get back to the alma mater. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2002 |
hehe they rejected my application for admission, so damn them! | ||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1612 Registered: 02-2002 |
I made it to the last cut for law school in '94... Damned undergrad grades. | ||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 478 Registered: 11-2002 |
I got accepted to 5 other ones, but not IU, and I was even taking classes there at the time, well kinda! |
