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Author Message   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:00 pm:    OK, the Discotech by ECR appears to be completed. http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech.html At first, I was in the camp of hating those flares. However, now that I see the finished product, I actually like them. Sure, it is not the same as the look of the original, but much of the disco is so boxy anyway that I think it works. Tom   PerroneFord Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:07 pm:    It looks better dirty. -P   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:08 pm:    I love em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean damn , they look as if they just grew there...... You know , like a wart........... Kyle   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:11 pm:    He he. I already knew Kyle's opinion... Tom   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:51 pm:    I think ECR is a top-notch shop and I don't have the money or mods to match so take this for what it is. I prefer the "Camel-Trophy" appearance of the tall narrow set-up better. Even if they decide to swap something else in later, those tires look a little over the top to me. e   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:53 pm:      Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:59 pm:    These are Super Swamper SX 36s on MRT 15" beadlock rims with max offset. In the rear these 36s totally clear. They fit well and do not rub even under flex. In the front however they do rub and we don't think that a lift block in the front is going to solve it. The front axle has too much articulation and it contacts some areas pretty hard. The bad news is that we'd need to trim back the front corners of the Safari Gard front bumper (we may do that anyway), and as this is only a Stage II suspension the tire contacts the floorboards of the firewall under articulation.   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:22 pm:    the flares do look a bit non-traditional, however they do look a bit stronger than some peoples bumpers, we know who i am referring to. peace mike w   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:23 pm:    So now it is on to our real tires, we've seen that almost anything short of 36s will fit with the flares and our smallish 2" lift, so looks like we'll end up in the 34-35 range.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:24 pm:    Mike - if you are going to rip on somebody, at least say the name. (peace...right) Can't we have one thread w/out some stupid jabs? I have probably spoiled this thread by asking. Oh well... Tom   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:29 pm:    Mike is only doing what you did with the little rubi. Now kiss and make up.... You are doing what you accused everyone else of Tom...... Kyle   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:32 pm:    Kyle - I guess I am thick, I still don't get it. The only thing I remember from the little rubi thing is being slammed left and right for a few photos. Did I rip on somebody's truck or accessories somehow with the little rubi? I give up. Tom   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:34 pm:    You were making a funny. And so is Mike..... You know,,,,"Ha Ha" ??? Kyle   Milan Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 06:42 pm:    They look more like SSRs to me not SXs. I like the Discotech.   Milan Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 06:48 pm:    OK. Nevermind, I just checked the site and their last pictures have the SXs on. I was going by the second picture posted here.   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:55 pm:    geez Tom, i didnt realize you were so serious about life...ok, well then let me get real for a sec. the oversized flares altho have a mall-like beauty would be impracitcal in the real world of southern ohio type terrian. they are afterall plastic, and we all know how poor the quality of plastic that is being imported today. further the use of any tires over 35 inches is well too damn rednecked for us latte drinking socialites. we need to honor tradition and family, why spend an overinflated price for fender flares when we can spend our US dollars on cup holders and stickers so that we can look like the real adventurers that roam the west. now i have done it i have offended someone...well i will get over it and as my pappy would proberly say if your not happy with my post, skip over it. oh it was kyles bumper i was refering to, and my life is full of too much shit to take anything real serious on this or any other borad! peace mike w   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:02 pm:    my point was that they are not really finished yet, as the tires in that picture don't seem to fit. Nothing more, nothing less. Interesting, though, that the fronts are rubbing and not the rear.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:03 pm:    P.S. I think it looks pretty damn cool myself   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:05 pm:    shhhhhhh! i really agree with blue and for the record when it was first introduced to the discoweb.org, i felt it was a awesome machine. mike w   Ron Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:34 pm:    It looks like they could have gotton away with the front if they put on castor corrected and lengthened radius arms rather than the three link. Ron   Mel A. Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:59 pm:    Okay, I'll admit it too, it looks good. Please don't hurt me   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:07 pm:    Well then, if you all like it so much, then somebody please buy my damn flares.... ../12/2052.html"#333333">   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:09 pm:    Gotcha mike, i just thought we had the brewing of last time this topic came up, or another thread like "jeep vs. land rover". I agree on the plastic, although I think these are fiberglass. The major problem is smashing one would mean calling up ECR again and asking if they sell them as single peices, and then getting it painted. Also, I think Ron is right about the front. I think they are only rubbing because the $G 3-link. Tom   Mel A. Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:21 pm:    I said it looks good, not great. If I happen to have $325 just laying around and the urge to really hack the crap out of something, then I'll think about it. Living in Texas, I think people will really dig them. And we don't have narrow trails around here, so I won't be rubbing them up on trees and stuff.   Zinhead Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:29 pm:    I like, but I would never do this to my truck.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:35 pm:    Zinhead, when you say that is it because it would ruin the resale value, or you wouldn't pay for it, or it is just not your bag, or something else. Just curious. Tom   Moe (Moe) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:43 am:    My thoughts: I like the look. It says 'go anywhere' although remains somewhat understated, when compared to most trail rigs. But that is the problem. It is a trail rig--extremely overpriced--and at the end of the day 'might' outperform the common disco on a trail, but it will not likely see Moab, Belize, or Alaska. If I had the cash to throw at such a project, I'm sure I would do it. I have a habit of wasting money. I suspect after all the money was spent, I would still be left with the same Disco except it would be stronger in one area and weaker in whole lot of others.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:09 am:    reminds me of this ../2/2806.jpg LOL   Greg Davis Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:09 am:    I like it. But then again, I'm not worried about cutting sheet metal, either. If you're after large tires, to me this is the best way in lieu of a tall lift. If they had them for the DSII (I called right after they announced them), I'd have a set and lower my rig an inch or two. Just my $.01 worth (business is slow so I can't afford the other penny). Hehe   Greg P. (Gparrish) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:14 am:    I'm curious on how to mount a spare that is 36" on a disco rear door? This is a serious question as I just flipped my mount and barely fit my 235/85 on mine. Plus I would imagine the extra weight of a 36" on steel beadlocks would be pushing the limits of the door on the disco wouldn't it? Just curious.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:31 am:    Greg P - I think you would overtax the stock hinges with a 36" tire on thier. My 33 barely fits, and that is aired down. Maybe there is a way to reinforce the hinges, or maybe you could just replace them every year or two. Rovertym makes an adapter plate to your specifications to provide the capabilities to fit large tires. Tom   Milan Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:41 am:    I thought I posted a reply like this already - I hate that 'preview' button. Anyway... Blue, I think they are done as they never intended to fit the 36" tires and anything smalle does seem to fit without rubbing. I think that's quite remarkable with 2" lift. Mike and Tom, So you think the flare material is cheap crap, eh? Maybe it is. Is that bad? If the flares are too tough, they'll bend the fenders. If they're too weak, they will break before the fender does. Which would you prefer? Personally I like cut out fenders, no flares and tires sticking out. I think the flares on the Discotech would actually damage the fenders first before breaking, so you may end up with damage on both the flare and the fender, but how is that different from ruining your fenders if you run skinny tires and no flares? Was your beef that now you may have to fix and pay for not just the fender but some extra plastic as well? Just curious.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:45 am:    milan, along the same lines, rancho makes shocks that break. which is good. if they didn't break, the shock mounts would break and it would cost a whole lot more to fix.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:52 am:    Milan, I would like the flares to be more like a black plastic with some flex, like the stock Disco II flares or defender flares or disco1 spoiler or endcaps. You can scrape them along on something and they will flex a little and bounce back. You can buff them up a bit to hide the scratches and dents. A little armor all makes them look ok. They can also be replaced in peices for the back, costing little $$. Here in the US (I think you are not in the US if I remember correctly), the police don't care if you like the tires sticking out, they don't. I am interested in the fenders because I already have some damage on two of my fenders at the lip. If it would cost me $300 to fix the fender, then it starts me thinking about the flares as they will solve rubbing issues as well. Tom   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:53 am:    LOL. Right, Ho. Other people's ranchos might break. Mine don't. They are super-Ranchos. Tom   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:54 am:    By the way, all this is moot as I contacted ECR for a price on flares painted to match, and they just emailed me a response and said they don't sell them anymore! Tom   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:57 am:    yeah tom, that's usually the case.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:58 am:    ECR dont' sell no more? craig's got a set. LOL   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:02 pm:    I know. Maybe craig will have them long enough for me to waffle through my decision making process. Tom   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:05 pm:    tom, just do it!   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:09 pm:    he..hehehe...hehehawhawhaw, lol i wonder sometimes...ok milan, why pay for someting simply to take it out to the deep woods and have it ripped off the side of your truck. as i was hinting if YOU love to flex on the speed bumps at the mall then these are the greatest things since sliced bread. if you actually go somewhere that leaving without a dent is a near impossibility then maybe fender flares arent such a hot choice. the money could be better spent elsewhere. i have no idea as to the quality of the material they are using and quite frankly i could give a rats ass, why, well see above. also as a note some states require that if your tires extend past the wheel well then you are required to attach flares. its a safety thing. in this case i would use material that is more flexible than what ECR has put together. is the Discotech a cool machine, hell yes its awesome and if i was spending that much cash on my Disco then well i could afford to replace the flares as i would surely ripped them off as to my inability to excerise control over my right foot and my keyborad. my posting was a bit of a satire in that we (i am not includung everyine in this) tend to be a bit over critical of what is out there to buy and of people whom make an appearance in here. i believe now that this is not the place for such wit and i apologize (esp. to Tom) for saying such a thing. beyond that if you want to purchase and send me a set of flares i could use some for a hyundai S-Coupe turbo that is slowly becoming a project car. now where did i put my chewing gum? mike w   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:18 pm:    Mike, The problem is the only option option on the market for flares that I have seen is the Disco II flares. What the ECR flares do is provide a "pre-thought out" way to hack and put your rear door back together. For a dumb ass like me when it comes to these things I need that. The Disco II flares can be made to fit, but they just go over the rear door. I am considering these because my swampers rub on the door, and they are one of the options to stop that. Other options are moving the axle back, body lift, more spring lift, etc, etc. If you know of a source for some more flexible flares or have some ideas, please tell! Half the reason for my post was in hopes that other ideas are out there. Tom   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:33 pm:    np Tom i will seek out the local mud runner and see if i can find both a stylish and felxible flare that would not require major surgery. like you, i do know my limitation (except for the right foot thing) and leave the real cutting to those guys who make it their living. years ago there was a company that made a rubber flare but i am guessing that in your case it would still require some cutting on the rear doors to get the clearance you are looking for. we do drive what has been argued to be the best multi-purpose vehicle on the market but like all things it to has its limits. until LR looks at the Discovery in the same light as it does the Defender and builds the wells oversized to start with we are limited to live with the sizes of tires that for some are tiny or we must get the sawsall fired up and remove some metal. mike w   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:40 pm:    I would like the flares to be more like a black plastic with some flex Right on - jeep flares (cherokee & wrangler) are perfect - soft black plastic that can be considered disposable if need be. Why bother painting them? That's like painting your bumpers, bumper endcaps, & side mirrors. Too many pimped Discos out here with the plastic paint job. Black goes with anything. Simple flares keep the lawman off your case and keep the mud out of your eyes when you're trying to see what the wheels are doing. I trashed the shit out of mine on the trails, and they just scratched a bit like the rest of the truck.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:52 pm:    the ecr flares come as shiny black. i don't think that would look so good. but then again, my truck looks like shit most of the time anyway. tom   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:02 pm:    boing , boing , boooooiiiiinnnnngggg.... Kyle   Milan Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:38 pm:    Hahaha, guys, LOL. That was funny. Thanks for the comments now I know what you're getting at and I have few comments. Ho, Of the 4 ranchos I bought I have 1 leaking already - exactly after 2 off-road trips. Must be one of them not-so-super-Ranchos. I'll see soon if that lifetime warranty works. Tom & Blue, As far as the flares go, I thought the polyurethane ones on my TJ were hot. They would bend without tearing (well to a point) and without chipping the paint (to a point again). I was even able to flex mine all the way flush with the side of the front fender and not rip it off. Way cool! Then I took it off when I was cutting the fender a bit and guess what? The fender was bent along the back side edge of the flare where it meets the sheetmetal. This is on a steel fender. I hate to think what it would have done to the "aluminium stuff". They are definitely the best type of flare I have seen so far but I still maintain that no flares are best as there would have been no damage. However, our highway patrols and city police are getting out the tape measure as I type this. Hehehe. It's pretty OK here but they are starting to notice and a buddy got a ticket just last week. Plus all that mud you guys like to do must be kept off the glass or you don't see where you're going. Maybe I'll try to test fit the Jeep flares. Also, the glossy black would look better than you think. My Jeep is dark green and the glossy black flares (off of a black Sahara) go well with it. Too bad the paint is almost gone in places (due to rock chips, overflexing and branches). I would not paint them but if they're painted already, glossy black is not bad. M.K.Watson, I think anything attached to that soft aluminum will bend it. Besides, rubber sags. So, I think that no flare look is the way to go.   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:44 pm:    milan i could not agree more... mike w   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:22 am:    well, after seeing the big ole 35's on kent's truck working w/out flares, i say amen to no flares. tom   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:08 am:    hmmmm... $300 in flares vs. $3000 in coilovers That's a tough one Craig   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:12 am:    I don't think you need coilovers to fit bigger tires. Check out his fender trimming and a-arm extension. Trimming = free. A-arm = $150. Tom   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:34 am:    Tom- It was a joke... All that 'vs.' crap posted lately... get it? Craig   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 10:42 am:    Craig, Not the first time I haven't got the joke. I have to stop doing this Discoweb stuff while I am working and in "serious mode". Tom   JB Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:40 am:    So who is going to meet this need and start making some quality, pliable flares for discos and range rovers. While they're at it they can make the distributor and coil covers too... Anybody make flares we can make work other than the DAP ones?   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:06 pm:    DAP ones? What are these??? Tom   Mike Smith, ECR Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 03:22 pm:    Hey guys, I enjoyed this thread, A few things jusy FYI: The Discotech does not have a 3 link. It has corrected radius arms up front with a stock Stage II. Don't know if that helps or hurts anyone's debate, but there it is. ;-) We stopped selling flares due to lack of interest. Not enough sales to do them anymore. :-( I guess the masses spoke on "flares". To the gentleman selling his Disco flares. If you bought them from us and they are undamaged, just send them back for a full credit. We do have a normal return policy. I agree that the flares would be better in a flexible material, but with the rear door needing so much cut away it was a pain and huge money to make the molds for a flexible product, and since we only sold 3 sets, we didn't see any market for them. The Discotech is far from done. The 36s are too big and a little monster truckish, but those are the rims and tires we had to do the test miles on (we had them kicking around) The real tires haven't been ordered yet. The real rubber will likely be in the 34 range, semi-narrow with a spacer for good turning radius on radial NATO 16" rims. 36s with beadlocks are just for fun and for some testing. I couldn't drive them everyday.... I've tried on my D90. They sucked. Thanks all!! Oh, BTW... The Discotech now has a new owner. We sold it today. We'll be finihsing it up and getting it detailed out to the customer's specs. and then its off to the next project. We'll still post all the AC info. and other work to the ECR web site though. Hopefully that will help anyone considering a DIY Tdi conversion. ECR ROX next project???? Any suggestions??? email me directly: [email protected] Take care, Mike Smith, ECR   Greg Davis Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 03:47 pm:    Mike, here's my suggestion for your next project. How about building up a DSII? They are becoming very common, and with the '99's out there, are becoming more affordable. Actaully, that was my way of trying to get you to do a set of flares for a DSII! Oh well, I tried. But a built up DSII would be nice.   Mel A. Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 04:31 pm:    I'd like to see a 1995-2001 RR 4.0/4.6 with a lift, custom bumpers, skid plates, roof rack, Nato steelies, ARB locking front and rear diffs, and some 34x10.5-15 Super Swamper LTBs. A D2 would also be a great project.   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 05:14 pm:    I want to see a 109" Lightweight coiler. Yes, I know they don't exist. Yet. Or a dually 130 or 145 pick up ;-) Niall - king of stupid ideas ;-)   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 05:58 pm:    I second the 95-2001 RR idea. However, it must have the 4.6. Would truely be one of a kind. Tom