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Author Message   Kent Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:40 pm:    I just finished building this in my garage. I am looking forward to getting it out on the trails. The tire is 42" off the ground. I still have a couple of bugs to work out but am very happy with it so far. What do you think?   Kent Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:42 pm:    sorry I used the back button   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:47 pm:    Kent, can you proceed with bugs? peter   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:49 pm:    wow, 42 inches is what... about 1200 on the 20 degree ramp? impressive. really. what a sex machine. and here's a guy that is all action and no talk. now to answer your question, no, it's not enough.   John Lee Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:52 pm:    Kent, Check your front brake hoses. That one in the pic looks maxed out.   Kent Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:59 pm:    Bugs: Ordered two new front springs to lower vehicle 2". Rear I have enough adjustment. Orders new 26" brake lines from RTE the 24" are not quite long enough. Building new pan hard bar to make it longer. Play with springs, the left front and right rear have 5" more untravel. So far thats it.   Greg Davis Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:00 pm:    Kent, that's awesome. What are you running up front? 3-link?   Marc Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:05 pm:    John, is that a brake hose? I thought it was his antenna.   Kent Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:08 pm:    The front is a SG 3-link. The rear is RTE A-arm 1" extention with my own trailing arms about 37"   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:11 pm:    kent, if you gonna still play with different springs, and if those are 2 inch body shocks, i got some eibach coils sitting here for the 2 inch body shocks. 2x 12" rate 900 2x 14" rate 350 1x 10" rate 550 1x 10" rate 700 interested? let me know.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:36 pm:    Better stock up on spring collars as well..... "It walks down stairs , alone or in pairs , AND MAKES A SLINKETY SOUND " Kyle   Simon E. Arenas (Simon) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:54 pm:    wau.... impressive! is it me or is it an optical illusion that the tucked in rear tire is turning to the truck's right? weird.. Simon   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:25 pm:    I think it's just an optical illusion. And it would turn the truck left not right. Which reminds me of those big fire trucks you used to see where the guy would steer from the back of the trailer. Those were cool, I always wanted to drive one. Anyway, that's a bit off-topic. Disco looks great. What's your slalom time? ;-)   Matt M Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:33 pm:    Superb. Does that mod invalidate the warranty then ? :-) I can see where you're coming from, but rear wheel thing is an optical illusion. Unless Kent has got 4 wheel steering on that baby too !! Speaking of which, has anyone ever done that to a Disco ? I'm sure I remember seeing an off-roader with 4WS - both axels operating independantly, but I can't remember for the life of me where I saw it. I think it was a serious rock crawling beasty, maybe ? Matt.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:40 pm:    it ain't optical illusion. the rear wheel does indeed turn as the rear flexes.   Matt M Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:45 pm:    weird - how does that work ? Matt.   Greg Davis Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:46 pm:    Yea, it's caused by the arc of the radius arm. The farther it travels up (until horizontal) it moves to the rear. The farther it travels down it moves to the front.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:50 pm:    Yup , you get the rear steering action going.. Kyle   Matt M Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:54 pm:    does it cause any problems ? or are you going so slowly at any serious level of articulation that it doesn't really matter ? Matt   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:10 pm:    no problems.   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:18 pm:    "I just finished building this in my garage" I was expecting something like a go-cart. LOL. Nice job Kent. I guess I don't need flares for my puny 33's. Tom   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:19 pm:    Matt, think about this for a second. If you are in an area which requires that much flex and your axles are truly crossed that much, would the rear end not tracking correctly bother you? If you check out any of the rock crawling competitions, this is a "normal" occurrence. This is also a severe problem for all short arm Jeep suspensions, especially when they are lifted greater than 3 inches.   Dave M. Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 05:04 pm:    Just out of curiousity, what would a stock Disco ramp out at?   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 05:08 pm:    stock disco? about 500? 600? but not 1200. LOL   Matt M Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 05:34 pm:    Anon I suspected as much, but you never know - some of the systems we design at work can have serious problems caused by what seem like a minor thing to anyone who doesn't understand it. We don't get much rock crawling going on here in the UK !! Unfortunately, we're stuck with muddy lanes, and thanks the the mulseli eating sandal brigade, that bit of fun is slowly being taken from us now too - it is now illegal in many of the best parts of the UK to drive down 'green lanes'. Any UK'ers interested in banding together and buying a decent sized bit of land dedicated to off-roading, contact me. Matt. [email protected]   JB Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:07 pm:    How are the springs and shocks mounted in the rear ? Can you send us a photo spread of this new pet of the month please. Enquiring minds want to know... JB   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:11 pm:    WOW! mike w   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:13 pm:    hmmm lets see, sale the stocks, eat pork and beans and hey i can sale a few body parts, really matt that is way cool. mike w   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:21 pm:    Pet of the month -- LOL. Yes, more photos Kent. You are a tease. Only two photos so far of that monster. Tom   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:58 pm:    Holy Cow thats bad ass. SOme more pictures would be cool too.   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:17 pm:    Nice work Kent- couple of questions though... Are the front upper coilmounts linked to each other, and have any pics of the rear uppers? GIT SOME Craig   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:19 pm:    BTW- You WILL post more pics, Oh yes, You Will post more pics... Craig   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:51 pm:    ok, time to toss my full jerry can in the fire - this is a stock truck, no lift, 31" tires. the rock is about 38-40" tall, both rear tires on the ground. i'll run away faster than any flames reach me peter   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:54 pm:    Ax programmed this page not to take jeep pics... (Ho excluded) try again - peter   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 09:12 pm:    er   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 09:13 pm:    Frame flex doesn't count Peter- nice try.... Craig   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 09:55 pm:    dunno about frame flex i had to get out of the jeep to take this photo - no problems opening or closing the doors, neither the tailgate. it ain't chevy or baby jeep. peter   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:01 pm:    It also ain't on level ground.... keep tryin.. Craig   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:05 pm:    one more thing: Some blatant theft from the Pirate board, but seems appropriate here... Craig   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:06 pm:    Craig, three other wheels are on level ground. I can take ya to the place and do it as many times as you want this ain't on level ground - right rear's 4" off the ground, left front - 4" into the ground. but these are old photos, it's got some lift and some tires since peter   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:08 pm:    what's this BS about it - Upload security violation Message sources do not match! If you used your browser's "Back" button, hit your browser's "Forward" button now and try your upload from that page. Please contact Axel Haakonsen if this problem persists. every other time i try to upload the image. here it is -   p m Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:10 pm:    ok, i give up on Netscape.   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:19 pm:    What exactly is your point Peter? And what does this have to do with Kent's Disco? Take it to the Jeep thread... Chrome has no place on this thread Craig   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:40 pm:    Peter , I crack up everytime I see you posting pics of that big ass heap of shit. Every time I see it my eyes react with burning from the rich mixture I know is there.... Fucking common running bastards........ That bitch stalled on that rock didnt it ? Kyle   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:02 pm:    Peter your my HERO !   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:06 pm:    38"-40" my ass, you mean 38cm-40cm hey wienerdog those are 2 different pics   alhang Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 11:30 pm:    I actually have one of those to work on this summer P.M.(it's a friend's), currently it gets about 9 mpg and the frame flexes more than most cars I have seen. Strangely enough he loves the damn thing and I will probably be installing a lift and fixing numerous other problems on it such as the almost total lack of vacuum. Even though I do like some jeeps, I personally would not constantly show off your gem on this board. Come on man, it's ugly... don't you see this? haha   Dave M. Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 08:12 am:    Stock RTI scores http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-corner/rti.htm Found this to answer my own question... '94 Land Rover Defender 90: 580 '95 Land Rover Discovery: 588 '92 Range Rover County: 670 '93 Range Rover County LWB: 588 '96 Range Rover 4.0SE: 600   Slider Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 10:57 am:    Kent...I don't think we need anymore pic's.. I keep getting VERTIGO each time I see that 1st pic... Insane man...all that and leather too!! I think your ready to start posting on pirate4x4!! Slider   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:10 am:    craig, it's a jeep thing. we'd not understand. LOL   Kent Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:19 pm:    Thanks for the comments. I will get some more pics of the mounts posted in a few days. I need to get some action photos for the photo gallery. And yes there is a cross bar that runs over the motor connecting the shock towers. As for the RTI I ran a 1080 before the conversion running 10" travel shocks and RTE 3" springs. I expect to break 1300+ or I will be disappointed. These new shocks are 2.5" RaceRunners with 14" travel. 35.5" extended, 21.5" compressed. I also have a 2" body lift I build for extra clearance. I do drive this all the time on the street and set it up to handle and drive like stock, well close to stock.   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:51 pm:    That is the BEST disco I have ever seen!!! PLEASE MORE PICTURES!!!   Brian Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:55 pm:    Kent I think you should put it in the photo gallery with LOTS of photos and post all the mods and specs. Then we all can get a good look at the belly of the beast...   RVR OVR (Tom) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:02 pm:    Somehow, I don't think Anonymous is serious. Tom   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:06 pm:    hehehe Craig, I don't give a rat's ass about chrome. I would've painted every chrome part black if i had time to do it. there ain't no point of bringing this jeep up on a jeep board, 'cause it is mostly stock. Kyle, no, it didn't stall on this rock, neither on another. and no, it didn't run rich, and needed no tricks to pass the CA smog test. Al, i found many people buy'em because they can be bought dirt cheap, and most of them have no slightest clue on how to get them running decently. here comes your friend's vacuum - mine has rock steady 17inHg at 550 rpm idle. speaking of showing off my gem, you made me think of why did i do it. there's no modification in it that i can personally be proud of, and its market value is zero. i could have posted a pic of anyone else's truck as well. Kent's Disco is awesome, and i admire his work, but I can't think of a single reason I would do the same thing to mine. speaking of ugly, i guess it's personal. some like LR's factory brush bars, i don't. peter p.s. for the record, on both pics that jeep has its front sway bar connected.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:17 pm:    Peter I have a 1 Ton 4X4 Dually that will hump a rock just as nicely in stock form. But it just about sucks on any trail. Oh , and its nowhere nearly as common..... Kyle   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:36 pm:    try parking a 1-ton dually in SoCal. I thought you didn't believe in purpose-built vehicles? my point is that if you really need a shitload of articulation for the 'wheeling you do, look elsewhere. Or, you may end up with a truck that's unsafe to drive over 25 mph, or something that only has a land rover logo and a couple of body parts in it. peter   Kyle Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:38 pm:    Hmmm ,one of those old Heps are unsafe to drive over 25. Well , thats taking into consideration that the particular one will get over 25.. Kyle   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 01:44 pm:    oh come on Kyle. you know what i know and what i think about the whole shit. 2 days ago i took the heep out after it sitting in the garage for 8 mo after my stupid diesel incident, and (however shitty it is) it tracked straight on the highway, no wandering, no nutten. perfectly precise (if absurdly light) steering. A feeling i have already forgotten after putting a measly OME HD lift on the disco and rangie. brakes is a different story... peter   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:19 pm:    PM, I dare you to pull up at Donovans Steak house in the Jeep. LOL   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:29 pm:    i had no problems pulling up to Milligan's when it was still in business. peter   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:38 pm:    That's why they went under to many Ecology rejects pulling up next to all the 175k German trash cars. Watch out some La Jolla Lawyer will sue you for driving that rolling EPA viloation. Play it safe and get some BC (Mexico) plates on it, if you did it would probbly qualify you for a car allowance from the welfare department.. LOL   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:45 pm:    LOL the best reply i thought of myself i think they went down 'cause of LJ live entertainment regulations. besides, there's plenty of rustbuckets in LJ driven by local homeowners... you know, they rust the worst within the first 200 yards from the surf zone. my disco reflects perfectly my home's location... '96 with rust under alpine windows... peter   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 03:13 pm:    LOL, your on the other side of the rust belt, I think the rust is lack of Jiffy Car Wash...   my96disco (Trevorh) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 03:51 pm:    After reading this thread I would like to ask a follow up question. Is there ever enough articulation? :-) Great job Kent. I have articulation envy...   Kyle Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:01 pm:    Trevor , you might be better served by asking the question. "What will all this articulation get me " Kyle   al h. Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:05 pm:    yes, too much articulation can bury half an axle in a hole, slowing upward progression and increasing the chances of breaking a driveline part. Usually long travel setups require longer links that are exposed more, you have to run bigger tires to help compensate. lastly how much tire/travel you need depends on where you live. sure it's neat having a vehicle like kent's, i'm sure engineering it is about as fun as driving it, but for me it would be overkill and the few trails near me would be too boring to go on anymore. here's an example of the damage too much travel can cause... http://www.people.vcu.edu/~ahang/CT/broke.jpg   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:22 pm:    Al, OUCH, How much more damage happened dragging it out? Dee   alhang Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:45 pm:    not much, removed rear driveshaft and amazingly enough another guy that was there had a rear link handy... fixed it in the snow as the sun went down. got dragged out by another rangie owner and enjoyed a leisurely drive home on the front shaft. BTW anyone who's interested the drive from central CT to Richmond, VA was about 9 hours going 55mph. and the little 3.9 could spin the 235's with the greatest ease, don't know why.   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:48 pm:    hehe one sure thing Peter's pics have going for them is dirt & rocks vs. asphalt & forklift (OK, graded dirt lot & forklift, not asphalt....)   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 06:04 pm:    PM's approach to a CB hoist, He actually was doing a major fluid change.. This is his back yard. the guy never really goes off road much. Dont let him fool you with all those photos on his site he is an expert with photoshop. LOL   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 06:30 pm:    Dee, i never do a major fluid change on a jeep. it doesn't keep any long enough to change'em. (regardless of photoshop, that is ) peter   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 06:32 pm:    That explains the trial markers, Green peace loves you man   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 08:22 pm:    So once again, I have to ask, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH KENT'S DISCO!? Craig   p m Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 09:14 pm:    pull your head from wherever it is, Craig, if you don't dig it, and push CapsLock once again. peter   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 09:58 pm:    That's my lame attempt at yelling Peter- I'm just wondering why you bothered to post that junk on this particular thread... Started off a decent thread about Kent's rig and you had to go and post that?.. Whatever... Still didn't answer my question though.. Craig   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:38 am:    craig, how many times i have to tell you! IT'S A GODDAMNED JEEP THING!!! LOL