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ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

95 D1

my Disco has been misbehaving...

symptoms: rig idles fine and for the most part runs okay... but if you press the gas and the transmition kicks down and the rpm's go around 4k RPM the truck seems to loose power.

recently i have:
drained and replaced the transmition fluid
added lucas transmition fluid stuff
replaced: spark plugs, spark plug wires (8mm), cap and rotor...

but i still get the same damn thing. lighty press the accelerator and the rig will go.

but stomp on the gas, the transmition kicks down and you actually slow down...

FRUSTRATING...

is my transmition slipping or is my ignition the problem or is it some other F'ing thing....

 

James Moy (Jmoy97)
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

might be the VSS vehicle speed sensor.

Jim
 

Donald M (Discodon)
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

that's gotta be a fueling issue......no?
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

one more thing... it feels like my rig has no power past 3500-40000rpm... i.e. if i softly accelerate and the rpms never go over 3500-4000rpm i'm okay... i can go 80mph

but if i floor it and the transmition down shifts to over 3500rpm... it just revs really high...

this is at any speed. i.e. punch it going 30mph... or punch it at 70
 

Chris Browne (Chris_browne)
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Post Number: 347
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 04:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Fuel pump getting weak and cannot supply sufficient fuel to allow engine to run at hi speed.
But I'd start by replacing the fuel filter just in case its clogged
 

David Marchand (Dmarchand)
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Post Number: 206
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Check your fuel pressure. Change the fuel filter, and consider swapping in a new throttle position sensor. It is NOT the VSS.

If this fails, then your probably looking at a trans rebuild...

Ask me how I know...hehe.

Chris B., what's your truck doing at the shop?
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Okay, thx for the advice...

the fuel filter is the one thing that i havent replaced yet. i think i've seen some post in the past that this is a b!tch. something about removeing the old one can be hard i think?

does anyone have any advice on the "best way" to do this??? special tools, two man vs one man job, special thread sealers, processes???? i have a new filter ready to go

 

JVelocet (Vracer)
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Also check the Vac advance unit on the distrubutor I just replaced mine (95 D1) and you will see the difference right away. They don't last as long as you'd think. Without proper advance your engine will feel flat in the range you are speaking about. No special tools on the fuel filter replacement, but be ready for a little fuel to leak out when you remove the filter.
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Username: Joey4420

Post Number: 235
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I see everyone making suggestions, but I have one quick question.....or statement. If when you accelerate quickly and it keeps reving but you are not moving very well. You have a Transmission problem Find a good Transmission mechanic.

If when you accelerate and you go over a certian rpm and it the rpms drop at the same time you slow down, then it may be a fuel issue or a VSS issue.

Just my .02 worth
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

i was thinking/hoping that it was some other issue then the transmition...

how does one test the vacume advance??? i was kind of thinking it was an ignition problem as well (thus i chg'd the "HT leads", cap, rotor and plugs)

more clues...
in the last few weeks i've had the check eng light come with a code that points to right bank mis fire... thats why i changed the cap, rotor, wires and plugs... havent seen it since i put in the new plug, wires, cap and rotor... but i still have the "cant accelerate past 4K rpm problem"...

in addition, i have a new fuel filter that i will be putting on the next few days. anything else i should change?
 

Donald M (Discodon)
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Username: Discodon

Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

the rigs ECU is not in that 'get home mode' is it?

This is a guess as I know nothing about it.
 

JVelocet (Vracer)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Best way is to pull the cap, if you can see thru the cover over the plates good, if not try to listen to see if you can hear the plates moving, put a little vaccum on the unit (take the other end of the hose off the plenum and apply a little suction) you should see the plates that advance the timing move. If there is no resistance, or the plates do not move when you apply vaccum the unit is bad.
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

What the heck is:

"the rigs ECU is not in that 'get home mode' is it"

how does ones ECU get in 'get home mode' and how does one fix it???

as for the vaccum adv...
how much did it cost to fix it/can i do it my self???
 

Donald M (Discodon)
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Username: Discodon

Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

'get home mode'.

I'm led to believe that if the ECU senses something not quite right then it lapses into a 'safe mode' where certain driving conditions are not permitted (i.e, high revs, 'flooring it' etc etc).

Someone confirm this??
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Username: Joey4420

Post Number: 239
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Ken I noticed you say that you can not accelerate past 4k RPM.

Does it not let the engine go past 4k or will the Trans just not accelerate past 4k?

A little more info.....sorry but it could be alot of differnt things, with a little more I might be able to spark the old noggin into working better.
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 107
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

hey Joey

what happens is:

if i am light on the accelerator pedal, the transimition shifts normally as long as it doesnt pass 3800-4000 rpm. and i can achieve speeds of 70+

but if i press the accelerator hard and the transmition kicks down and the engine revs up to 3800-4000 rpm the transmition wont shift up AND the engine actually looses power/doesnt go above 4K rpm... i.e. if im going 70mph the speedo will slowly go down... like wise if i punch it off the line... i get to about 30-35 mph... then nothing more

i used to have a Toyota MR2 which had a 6800rpm rev limiter and this feels the same...

does this help/make sense???

could it be the vaccum thing or maybe my alternator?????
 

JVelocet (Vracer)
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

You can fix the vac. advance yourself. You can find the part on line from any of the Land Rover parts suppliers I think I paid around $125.00. You'll need a torqs driver or socket to remove the small screws that hold the unit to the distrubutor. Make sure to keep the seal between the unit and the distributor and put some locktite on the screws when you put them back they have a tendency to come backout. Also make sure you capture the pin on the plates when you install the new unit (it's the same test I mentioned before)
 

Joey (Joey4420)
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Post Number: 243
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Sounds like you may have the beginnings of a bad CAT. Take it to you local muffler shop and have them pressure test it.
 

ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 06-2002
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

thanks! ill try the suction test after work tonight.

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