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Brandon
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 04:34 pm: | 
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Hey Im new to Landrovers, I dont know much about the after market companies for these ether. Well what I need to know is what are some good years for the Discovery's, what has the better axles, better T-case's,ect...Also who makes a good lift?..I want to put at least 33's under mine, with no rubbing.Also who sell's gears for the axles? I know ARB sells lockers but I would also like to regear it to 4.56's. Are the Factory axles any good?..Or should I put Dana 44's F&R? I have been 4wheeling a LONG time but with Jeeps, and now I want a Disco'. So and information will help a lot. thanks!..Oh, and how do I become a member of this site? |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 05:10 pm: |
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You might think about spending some time just leaving your truck stock and wheeling it. It's a remarkably capable vehicle in stock form and will likely surprise you. This will give you time to evaluate what modifications you may want, if any. It will also let you see modifications other have made and make informed decisions.
To answer some of your questions:
Discoveries are primarily the same for all years within a series. The First series of Discovery was up to 1999, and the the DII after 1999. This was a large change and you'll need to decide which suits you better. The DII being a significant BMW effort with Bosch electronics.
All Series 1 discovers have the same axles. All DIIs have the same axles, but are different than the first series. All transfer cases are the same. Lifts are offered from a few manufacturers including OME, RoverTym, and SafariGard. All are of good quality but are suited to different types off off-road activities.
33" tires without rubbing is possible. You'll need to decide if you want to trim bodywork or not. If not, open your wallet as you will need tall springs (~4") driveshafts front and rear, likely new shocks, new trailing arms front and rear, and longer brake lines.
Gears are available from Great Basin Rovers here in the US, and Ashcroft in the UK. East Coast Rovers resells Ashcroft products here in the US, but at healthy markups.
ARB does indeed sell lockers but there is no 4.56 gearing for these trucks. Stock is 3.54, optional gearing is 4.10 or 4.7. Factory axles will take some abuse but it depends on what you are used to. Aftermarket axles are a common replacement if you decide to add lockers.
Installing Dana 44s is possible but very few undertake it. Head over to the Land Rover forum at Pirates of the the Rubicon to see one LR owner who has recently completed a D44 install.
If you have been wheeling a Jeep for a long time, I would highly recommend you spend some time getting used to your disco. The Jeep is a very capable stock vehicle, but the Land Rover products offer some major advantages right out of the box. Modifications are far more expensive as well. The purchase cost of a Disco is roughly twice the cost of a Jeep, and that price holds for maintenance costs and modifications as well.
Good luck,
-P |
brandon
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 07:39 pm: |
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well Im thinking about getting a 1993-1995 Disco' I dont want anything fancy, its going to be for off-road use only. I am going to wheel it bone stock for a while. I always do, its a good way to get used your rig! Also that seems really high for a 4" lift, so mabey a 2.5" lift with a little fender trimming and a 1" body with 32's?..Do they even make bodylift's for Disco's?..or are they unabody frames?Oh...and a other thing, I see everybody runing 16" wheels..do HAVE to run 16's? or can I use a 15" so I can get better sidewall flex?...So Dana 44's are hard to swap in,eh?...Well is it worth building up the axles?.. or what is a easy swap? |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 08:06 pm: |
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Well, considering the Disco wasn't imported until the US until 1994, that would be the earliest you could find. Some people claim the earlier models are less reliable. Hopefully others here with more experience can offer more guidance in that regard.
You can do a 2.5" - 3" lift with nothing more than springs and perhaps shocks to keep your downtravel. Body lifts are available from RoverTym (http://www.rovertym.com) along with lift springs and other pieces of VERY high quality gear. Much beefier than anything you're likely to find on a Wrangler. And no, the only LR that is unibody are the brand new Range Rover and the Freelander models. All other models are fully boxed, thick wall, ladder frames.
Sixteen inch wheels are standard. You can fit 15" wheels and many do for offroading. There isn't much of a selection though unless you buy from the UK. Most seem quite satisfied with the wheel choices available.
There are no easy axle swaps for our trucks. In truth, there isn't much reason to do it. You'll be very hard pressed to find anyone running anything larger than a 35x12.50 (I know of 1 or 2 on 37s) and the common aftermarket pieces are more than capable of handling 35s.
There are large numbers of people running 32" or 33" tires on the stock axles. As long and you don't get crazy with the skinny pedal, you should be fine. You're biggest problem will be the carrier, so swapping to something beefy like a Detroit or ARB would be smart.
What's got your interest in the Disco? Tired of Jeeps?
-P |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 08:08 pm: |
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Rovertym sells a two inch body lift for ~$180. You can use American Racing 15 inch rims in size 15x7 or 15x8. With 32's, you dont need anything like a Dana 44, just check out Great Basin Rover for HD axle shafts, or Aschroft Axle shafts(cheaper, but i have heard they are just as strong) |
Brandon
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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Thanks for all the help, Nope Im not tired of my Jeeps, I still have the Jeep bug in me...I just need a other trail rig that is bigger so that when I take the Family out we can be comtable.Im keeping the Wrangler too, I was choosing inbetween the Disco's and the Jeep XJ (Cherokee). I chose the Disco because I have always like them. I also work at a LandRover Dealer so I can get Disco's REALLY cheap through them and all of the bumpers and roof racks lights, ect. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:36 pm: |
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Brandon,
What bumpers can you get from a dealership? I don't think there is much LR Brand stuff out there that is worth using to upgrade your Rover with for four wheeling. Maybe a roof rack or lights, but that is about it.
Tom |
Brandon
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:50 pm: |
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Im not sure, But I was thinking of asking my boss (witch I am very good friends with) To see if they can order Safari Gard stuff. If they can I will get every thing at cost. |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 01:45 am: |
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What dealer do you work at?
Anyway,
Yes you can swap axles, it is somewhat straitforward but nothing like swapping on a leaf sprung truck. LR axle parts are crazy $$$$ compared to jeep stuff. I would not buy anything from Safari Gard. They have screwed me and too many of my friends.
Full frame unlike the XJ. 33s are doable but 32s are way easier.
spend some time reading old threads and I think you will get the picture of whats available, what works and what doesn't
Ron |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 02:39 am: |
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Works at a dealership and doesn't know much about rovers?  |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 09:23 am: |
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Annon, I agree. This uy is proably wasting our time. He wants a 93 rover? He hasn't done his homework on the basics and he's trying to get into the complicated stuff. |
Moe
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:00 pm: |
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Neal, it usually begins by dreaming, Yes? Let him dream while he works out the basics--nothing wrong with that, and I am sure most of us have been there |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:41 pm: |
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For all we know he could be a lot attendant for the dealership or answers the phones. There are parts runners at my dealership who dont know shit about the trucks that get sold there. I am sure the new car washing kid doesnt know nor may even care about Rovers. Its a paycheck for him.
Dont assume that if he says he works at a dealership, and is asking these kinds of questions, that he's a sales guide or the parts manager.
Chris von C |
Brad
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:58 pm: |
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Well if he is a lot attendent at the dealership they can fire him and hire me I have always wanted to work at one they just won't hire me. |
Brandon
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 10:39 pm: |
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HEY NOW, YOU GUYS DONT KNOW WHAT I DO AT THE DEALR NOW DONT YA?!?!?...I own a exotic car transport busnise. Yes I still work at the dealer because I get sent out with, lets say for example, 3 Dico's that are different colors, and I have to try to sell a least one of them to the customer . Oh and by the way, I work at Desert European Motors, in Rancho Marage,CA |
MTB
| | Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 11:15 pm: |
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:10 am: |
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Grow some skin.... |
Brandon
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:19 am: |
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HUH?...What do you mean by that? Well I realy dont understand why you guys are being a buch of assholes, Im just going to go to some other bulletin boards where I can get usefull information and not get insalted. By the way, PerroneFord & Will Roeder, thanks for the help...you guys actully did help me, not insalt me, thanks. |
Ron
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:21 am: |
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Try pirate4x4.com/forum
They will give you advice without insulting you newbie
Ron |
MTB
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 02:16 am: |
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Damn you guys first you drove off Slava. Now you drove Brandon off.
He only asked simple ?? for someone who has his own Exotic Car Transport Business(AKA Gone In 60 Seconds) & Sells Rovers.
We will sure miss you around here Brandon. BYE
And in the Famous words of Slava and you will be able to use this Do not take your Rover to the Dealer for any work. Take it to Grease Monkey. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 02:33 pm: |
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Ron,
Can the dealers order the Safari Gard products now that they are put on the Kalahari? I looked at the one at mainline the other day getting my Cupholders installed, and as I can tell, it's really got a bunch of stuff you will end up taking off and replacing. Didn't seem worth it to me, but if they partnered with Safari Gard, maybe the dealer can get the bumpers. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 03:47 pm: |
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Wow, somebody who complimented Perrone and bashed the rest.
I think I'll print this entire thread and keep it in my truck. LOL.
Of course, some will say that alone proves he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Others will laugh about Perrone rising to this kid's bait.
Just wait until he gets to the Rovers North BBS and Matt has a field day with him:-) |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 09:35 pm: |
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Paul,
Ya gotta stop this...
The guy did ask some pretty strange questions but I just tried to give answers and not be judgemental. Oh well.
-P |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 09:40 pm: |
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Actually , ya cant dog Perroney for this kinda stufff. I actually give him alot of credit for answering the same things over and over. ofcourse , I will take every opportunity to give him shit if I see one.....
Kyle |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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yea.. and even if you *don't* see an opportunity!
-P |
John Averett
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:05 am: |
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Perrone- As a local disco fan living in Tallahassee, I enjoy reading your post. Thanx for the good information. |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:13 am: |
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What disco is yours? I see so many but hardly anyone here wheels at all or even waves at other rovers. Not to slight you, but in Tally, disco owners NEVER wave.
-P |
Greg French
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 09:21 am: |
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I rarely get a wave here in Myrtle Beach, either. What is up with that?
I always wave. Usually I get nothing.
Every once in a while I will see one with some mods like mine.
They wave.
I guess there are 2 classes of Rover owners...the "Wavers" and "Others"
I prefer the wavers.
You might be a "Waver" if...
...You always have mud on your Rover. Even the day after you wash it.
...You spend more money on things for your Rover that you will probably never use than most other people spend on their vehicles
...You drive fast to be home before your wife, because if she sees ONE MORE UPS package she will FREAK!
...You narrowly avoid rear-ending the car in front of you whenever you drive because you are too busy looking in the other lane for Rovers
...Every little corner of your home has some sort of Rover toy or memorabelia.
...You spend hours in the Wal-Mart toy section looking for something that might be a Rover
...You know the price of every piece of aftermarket equipment made for Rovers, and where to get it the cheapest.
...You go into great detail explaining what you are planning on adding to your rover to anyone whe casually remarks about any part of it. Example: In a parking lot, a 10 year old says, "Nice Truck, Mister" to which you reply, "Thanks. I am getting ready to add a snorkle to it after I modify the rear bumper to fit the next set of tires that are going on it whenever my NATO wheels arrive..."
...You have every Land Rover websight on your favorites list and spend WAY too much time on line talking about your rover than actually using it.
...You can't wait to get to work so you can go on line and look at pictures of other people's rovers
...You don't understand why someone would own a Rover and never take it off road.
...You know every "Short cut" near your house.
...You know what is on the other side of every "Dead End" sign in your town
...When driving, you look into the water runoff ditches along the side of the road and think, "I know I could make it through that!"
...When you drive through a construction sight, you see the bull dozers in the dirt and think to yourself, "Lucky Bastards"
...You have at least one friend that owns a Jeep who gives you a hard time about your "Wanna-Be Jeep" until he needs to be pulled out.
...You have stickers on your Rover that don't say, "Soccer Mom"
...Your kids ask you to pick them up from school instead of mom, but won't say why.
...You don't understand how the mud could possibly get "There"
...You see another Rover on the road and adjust your speed accordingly so you can drive beside it.
Feel free to add more.
This should be on the General discussion board, but I'm not going to re-type it. I have to get some work done today! |
Greg French
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 09:28 am: |
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Ok...I added it to the General Discussion board |
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