How much does a TDI weigh?

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Author Message   Jake Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 07:54 pm:    Just wondering, I assume it is much heavier than the 3.9?   PerroneFord Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 09:24 pm:    Clarke William at Yeti Engineering (engine swap specialist) says about 600 pounds. 3.9 is about 315 pounds. -P   Tractor Dude Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 11:44 pm:    what about a Cummins BT4?   Ron Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 07:35 am:    I would say 450 for a 300TDi The block is esentially the same as a 2.25 series engine and a series engine is 400lbs   OTTO Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 08:08 am:    The total weight of a 5 door TDI is about 2.010kg The total weight of a 5 door V8 is about 1.955kg These kg numbers are responsebel for the DiscoI. Greatingsnfrom good old Germany! OTTO   Ron Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 08:28 am:    Those # would bear out my estimate Ron   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 09:13 am:    I'm going w/ Ron here.... the Tdi Series of engines is an extention of the Series 2.25 engine... Shouldn't come close to double a V8's weight. -L   PerroneFord Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 10:50 am:    Hmmm.. Maybe I confused the numbers with the 6.5l diesel that Clarke installs. Sorry about that guys. I tried finding the weights online to double check, but couldn't find them anywhere. Anyone know if these weights are documented anywhere? -P   muskyman Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:14 am:    was reading a british overland conversion site that quoted a 75 lb increase over the petrol rover motor. so I'd say rons numbers are pretty close   muskyman Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:21 am:    now... I'll preface this by saying I'm not a big fan of engine swaps but if you really wanted a diesel...I'd swap in a 5 cylinder benz motor. there are kits out there in some of the rover magazines the ZF auto tranny would be compatible with the transfercase they are cheap and available. they make great power with just a few mods parts are everywhere world wide. if you where gonna really deal with the hassels of the swap . IMHO   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:21 am:    I still find it amazing.... The 1961 SIIa Rover, you had a 2.25 liter engine, same block for both petrol and diesel... just different ancillaries. Sometime around 1980 (Ron, do you know when? After the '74 pullout, before the Defender in '83), it was upgraded to the 2.5L. Then, it morphed into the 200Tdi, then later into the 300Tdi. Today, although the Td5 is the touted engine, you can still order a Tdi300 for non-UK markets (other than the US!). Neat, eh? -L   JC Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:40 am:    muskyman, What mags have you seen these benz swaps in? I'd like to know a lil' bit more about them.   PerroneFord Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:48 am:    JC, There is a guy in the bordertoborder expedition society who did one of these Benz motor swaps on his series truck. Go ask on their bulletin board who it was, I'm sure they can put you in touch. I spoke to him about it once, and he said he was loving life with that motor. More power, more torque, and it just "worked". -P   chris browne Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 12:00 pm:    The 3.9 is approximately 315 pounds. The Chevy 350 is about 575 pounds in all iron or closer to 550 with reasonable weight saving like aluminum intake Info taken from d90 list   Disco Dad Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 12:28 pm:    Id love to put a MBZ turbo Diesel in a Disco I had a 89 300 TD it clocked 190K before i had to do any majors on it, The 4.0 in my Disco seems to need TLC every 5k or so Bar none the older MBZ are second to none   muskyman Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 12:50 pm:    I'll have to dig up the swap stuff back about two years ago I had a 82 300td that i loved! the body was giving way to the salt here in the midwest and I was talking to a buddie about making it a field car(one of many beaters we have just for fun) I found a company that sold an adapter that puts a lt 230 onto the zf automatic. then my manic depressent friend went manic and smashed the car all to bits, its now gone but the info was all based around putting the MB motor in land rovers. at the time I coulda cared less about this swap so most of the perticulars never stuck in my head I was going for a 4wd benz sedan on straight axels more as a joke then anything else. but as far as the MB motor goes...there isnt a better diesel on the planet according to most sources. they still put that 5 cylinder in trucks to this day. I had another 82 turbo that I had set up with a pyrometer and jacked the boost. and it was a awsome powerplant!! and the MPG on these is unreal...i got 33MPG all the time. once got 41 comming home on a 600 mile trip with a tail wind. I'd bet they would get 22 to 25 pushing a disco easy. I'll look back and find the info and post it its the one engine swap in a disco I would have to say would be worth while IMHO   Disco Dad Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 01:31 pm:    Musky Man email me [email protected]   Seth Smythe (Seth) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:25 pm:    Is this the truck you were talking about, Perrone? http://www.mercedesrover.freeservers.com/index.html -SETH   PerroneFord Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:50 pm:    Seth, That's the one. Good job!   -OTTO- Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:50 pm:    Hi guys! I couldn`t understand you put a Mercedes Benz Motor in a Disco.Here in good old Europe some Series are driven with 2.5 Peugeot Diesel engines. A factory in southern germany put a 6.5l GM Diesel in a Defender 110,but first thing I want to do is to tune up the Rover Diesel engine! You can do it for a very low price and y can buy other goodies for your vehicle. I got a discoI built in 96 TDI engine with stock 113PS and 265Nm by ca.1800 rmp. First i do something with injektion pump to put out more diesel.Than another airfilter for exampel K&N to bring more air in the Motor. Another cooler and more bar for rhe turbo. now my dates are about 330-340Nm by 1400rpm and about 135PS. I called this power now "--BÄÄÄRRIIG-----" you can translate this into english language with enough. greatings from good old Germany!! OTTO   muskyman Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 03:18 pm:    otto, are you using exhaust temp as your guide? I started messing with my boost and pump levels to no avail. then a diesel mechanic friend turned me onto using exhaust temp to moniter combustion effieciency. you can keep cranking up the boost/bar till you reach a maximum exhaust temp of 1000 degrees. at about 1000degrees the black soot goes away and the MPG/power goes up as well. over 1000degrees you start warping exhaust valves and cooking pistons. an exhaust pyrometer is the way to go!   OTTO Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 04:51 pm:    Hi myskyman! I forgot to told you to use a exhaust termometer. I change the pressure of the turbo about 1.2bar. The temperatur is about 600C-800C. Sorry dontknow it in F. But i think that must be cool enough. My speedness on Gremanhighway is on the border of 170km/h,with a adventure roofrack 4 helle Micro FF lights on it. Got some LR HD coils with Procomp 1" shock absorbers and 235/80 Bridgestone Dueler 693 AT on it.Lift about 7cm or 3".For me its enough to catch some "Cheaps" and "Japanese" guys on Highway and off-road the 235/80 are not so heavy than the 235/85. Greatings from good old Gremany! -OTTO-   muskyman Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 05:20 pm:    otto, your truck sounds very cool...I cant believe we cant get diesel discos here...bazarre what kinda MPG/MPL are you getting? I'm gonna have to convert your numbers...I'm very curious 170km/h =105.4 MPH? that would work out the same as a stock gas/petrol discovery. lots of guys say there's go faster but there wrong. I believe that is the first major plattau of wind resistance for this truck.(no wind) I have driven mine to the floor for 15 min my GPS says 105/106MPH...even down a 3 mile hill 105/106MPH congradulations on all the german metals in the olympics!! you guys rock!! thom   Germán Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 05:49 pm:    Hi Guys, in Brazil is the factory that produces the TDI 300 to be mounted in English Defenders, and in models from Mercedes, Ford, GMC and Chevys for Mercosur. Its weight is: 205kg .You can traslate this unit to pounds. See http://www.maxion-motores.com.br/motores/imagens/hs%2025%20tcc.pdf In the new models all producers are installing biger brother, 2,8liter(power stroke), turbo with variable geometry, 133CV@3800 RPM. Greetings OTTO: Kennst Du ein Disco Board auch in Deutsche Sprache? Meine Disco ist TDI300 baujahr'98 Grüsse aus Argentinien   Ron Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 09:59 pm:    "Sometime around 1980 (Ron, do you know when? After the '74 pullout, before the Defender in '83), it was upgraded to the 2.5L." Actually Leslie you are confusing a couple things. The 2.25 became the 2.5 Litre diesel in 1984 (1983s came with the V8, 2.25 P, or 2.25 D), and the 2.25 P became the 2.5 P in 1985 (thus there were no 2.25 Diesel 90s) You are thinking about the change from 3 main bearing to 5 main bearing which I THINK was around 1980. Other than the stroke change (and carb change on the P) which boosted power a bit the main difference is that 2.5 litre engines run timing belts. Ron PS perrone personal experience disclaimer: I helped install a 2.5 litre diesel   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:10 pm:    lol... That's rung the bell, it was the 3-to-5 main bearing that I left out... that's what was throwing my date calculations off... '80 sounds right. Wilma's engine was a 5-main... So, not that I expect any, but are there any 2.25 parts that work on the 300Tdi??? Just a trivia question for Roverphiles..... -L   OTTO Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 04:45 am:    Hi guys! Muskyman,when i messured the speedness with GPS i`m very astonished about the speedness.But your right.170kmh=105mph " this is the end my fiend" cause of wind resistence. But i want to get a greater cooler from Garret for the turbo to bring out more Nm`s. This is a great problem,cause we got in Germay an institut called "TÜV" like FDA in USA and when the recocnize it --oh boy-- Just another Question what do you mean with MPG/MPL i don`t know this short form. @ German: eine sehr gute web site in deutsch ist "viermalvier.de" mit einem sehr guten forum für Land Rover. Another good site is defenderland.de from UWE There i get all the inputs to tune up the TDI engine. greatings to Argentina and USA from good old Germany! -OTTO- P.S. Muskyman in which area of great US do you live? And German From which part of Argentina do you come? Asta la vista!   Ron Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 04:59 am:    I don't think there are many 2.25 parts that work on a 300TDi but A LOT of internal 2/2.25/2.5 Diesel parts will work on a 200TDi. Ron   OTTO Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 05:21 am:    Hi Ron! The2.25 or 2.5 are carburet engines. in the begining of the 80 most of the engines here in Europe got a turbo cause of emmision and soot particels. In TDI200 and TDI300 some parts are the same. Greatings from good old Gremany! -OTTO-   Ron Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 05:37 am:    Yes, The Diesel turbo came out in 86 I think. By carburet I think you mean n/a (normally aspirated). And yes you are correct some of the parts are the same all the way through (some even going back to the 2L diesel that came out in 1957!). Ron   muskyman Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 11:59 am:    otto, I live outside chicago I grew up outside milwaukee(largest german population outside germany) and yes I love bratwurst and sourkraut!! milwaukee is also known for its beer! come visit ...youl feel right at home   OTTO Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 04:07 am:    Hi guys! I know now what MPG/MPL is! Here in good old Europe gallon we didn`t know. When i drive full speed about 14l per 100km are running through the injection pump.Normaly with a speedness of 120km 10-11liter for 100km. All the dieselcars in Germany got an oxidation-katalysator.It works with an EGR-valve.When you close the valve the car needs 0.5-1 liter less diesel and all the dust and soot didnt go through the turbo.But it is necessary to control the smoke coming through the exhaust with the injectionpump(dificilwork) cause of the "Cops" here in Germany!! Greatings from good old Germany!! -OTTO- P.S.@Muskyman I life at the border to the Bavariens (You know Georg Hackel,silver-winner of sledgerunning in salt lake,the guy with the "Weizenbier")   German Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 04:25 pm:    Otto, Danke fuer die Websites. I'm writing from the great city from Buenos Aires, in front of the River Plate. Muchos saludos para todos!   Markd1x2 (Markd1x2) Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 12:45 am:    I weighed my '97 D1 SE7 V8i a few days ago and it was 5240 pounds.