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Sean J
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:33 am: | 
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Were these a stcok item on the 99 D2? My 99 D2 is the only one I have come across that doesn't have them. Is there a switch or possibly a blown fuse, or do I maybe just not have them? I want to get them turned on because of the insurance discount (they are considered a safety feature), and when you have as many tickets as I do, anything helps. |
Alyssa
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:38 am: |
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Are you in canada? Those are the only DIIs that have daytime running lights stock. ...or maybe everyone just drives with their lights on?
You can get them installed in your DII at the dealer. They have to put in a part for them to work. |
Sean J
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:41 am: |
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I'm in Houston. I think I had heard that they were required in Canada now that I think about it. I have 2 friends who have 99 D2s here in Houston and they both have them. I guess I'll ask the dealer$hip about them next week during the 30K service. |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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All Disco's have daytime running lights. You just have to manually activate them...... The procedure is the same as for the night time running lights.....  |
Paul Long
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:06 pm: |
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NAS DII is prewired for running lights. The relay required plugs into the fuse block at left of steering column. Feed is fuse #13. This relay energizes when ignition is in position I or II. It puts power to a resistor located behind left headlamp. Resistor cuts power down to 6.7 volts, and powers the high beams (headlamp main beams)with this lowered voltage through fuses 3 and 22 in passenger compartment fusebox. Vehicles wired for Scandinavia do not use this resistor and power the low beam with full voltage. |
Patrick Hartigan (Patrick)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:17 pm: |
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Similar train of thought - When turning on the headlights there are really three stages. The first being the one which turns on the parking lights, the orange ones and a dim setting from the headlights. Then there's normal driving lights and finally the highbeams.
One of the headlights doesn't work on the lowest setting on my 97 D1. While it's not an issue driving at night, does this indicate the bulb is about to go? Or might it have been replaced with an incorrect one by the previous owner? |
Jeremy (Highmile)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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Patrick
There are actually two different bulbs in your headlight enclosure. One is your normal halogen type headlight bulb. There is a second small halogen bulb that is the "parking" lights. If you look in your owners manual at bulb replacement, I believe it is called "front marker light". Easy fix! |
Milan
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 03:09 pm: |
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I for one don't like DRL. Few reasons:
1) I'm still used to the old school of using lights during the day as a warning signal
2) On some cars, where lower voltage is supplied to high beams as opposed to running low beams, it is detrimental to the light bulbs
3) When manouvering the vehicle in the camp at night, sometimes it would be good to be less conspicuous.
All newer cars have them here in Canada. Yet there's no law that says you have to have them. It's just a manufacturing standard I think. In any case, I do believe in safety and so in bad light conditions I turn on my headlights anyway. Kind of like what Axel said. On the other hand I guess a car with headlights on can be seen better by the oncoming traffic at anytime, not just during bad light conditions, so this sort of goes agains my safety argument. I'd still like to have the choice of turning lights off completely regardless of what the ignition is doing. Lights are lights, ignition is ignition.
Just my $0.02. YMMV |
Michel
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 03:36 pm: |
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Aggreed it would be conviniant to be able to turn off the lights completely when you want to, but my disco is over 6 years old 180K and still have the original lights, so I don't think it's too detrimental to the life of the bulbs.
Michel |
Chris Merritt (Smokinbro)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 05:36 pm: |
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In Canada, daytime running lights have been a requirement on all cars model year 1990 and newer.
As for a warning, pull your highbeam lever forwards, you get high beam for as long as you hold it. Good for warning people of speed traps, no? |
Sean J
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 05:41 pm: |
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Paul,
If I could get that relay is that something I could do myself? |
Milan
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 09:02 pm: |
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"In Canada, daytime running lights have been a requirement on all cars model year 1990 and newer.
As for a warning, pull your highbeam lever forwards, you get high beam for as long as you hold it. Good for warning people of speed traps, no?
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DOH! I guess. Yet lights vs no lights gets your attention quicker than 50% high-beam vs 100% high beam. Especially on a bright day. But like I said, I don't have a very strong case aginst the lights as a safety item. Now, ABS on the other hand, ....don't get me started. BTW, the requirement is for manufacturers not car owners/operators. I checked before I disconnected mine. Unless they changed the highway code again recently.
Also, I have seen the high beam fillament burn out due to DRL on Heeps - TJs in particular - that's why you always see one with only one DRL on. Once I disconnected the module, my lights have lasted for 2 years now. Disco's lights seem to be doing just fine even with DRL. This is probably the only electronic thing on the Disco that works as it's supposed to. |
Santo Nucifora (Santo)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 10:49 pm: |
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FWIW,
My other car has pop-up head lights so DRL are handled by having the fog lights come on instead of low wattage through the high-beams. I think this works a little better because these lights are not used as often and probably not at all for normal people who have to switch them on to use them.
I think some states have a problem with this setup because when I go down there, other owners of the same car wonder how I got my fog lights to come on without my headlights. Apparently, it is not possible for US versions of the car to do this and may be illegal in some states?
IMHO, fog light DRL would be cool and more practical, if you have to have them.
Santo |
Chris Merritt (Smokinbro)
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 10:51 pm: |
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Yes - so far as I know, the manufacturers are required to install daytime runing lights. I've never seen any regulation that the car owner is required to keep them. For me on the west coast (wetcoast) DRL are a good idea in the near constant drizzle of winter and are excellent at dawn and dusk. But hey, each to there own. I could seem'em coming prior to 1989 so makes no difference to me... |
Milan
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 02:38 pm: |
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Chris, that's what I was getting at. Maybe I'm a technocrat or too odl-fashioned but I liked it when you had to control everything manually.
Santo, I think having fos a DRL is a great idea. I might wire mine to be that way. I guess the problem is not every car has both head lights and fog lights but every car does have the head lights when it comes from the factory. |
Paul Long
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 12:30 am: |
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Sean, After reading the LR manuals,I personally would not touch the electrical system without having the Electrical Library and Circuit Diagrams. Only because IF your simply lowering the fusebox to find a relay or wire connection, and upon reinstallation other systems no longer work, you would have no idea what may have been bumped or pulled apart. One pin in any connector can have a touch of corrosion on it and moving things could create a mess if you don't know where to look. I don't know if you can locate the relay slot without moving much. No amount of expertise replaces the book. I'll be looking into mine shortly and then know exactly where the relay goes. (or doesn't) Could be integral with the IDM (intelligent drivers module) that's what gives the relay the ground to energize when engine is running. This is integral with the fusebox, meaning Canadian models would get the fusebox with this relay built in. This is just a speculation since wiring diagrams don't show the physical location of the terminal slots. Gotta be on or in the fusebox. For some reason I can't find it on the parts fische either, and there is no different fusebox listed for Canadian vehicles. Diagrams call it "Relay-Daylight Running (R128)". The service manual only states how the system works "if fitted". Sooo...With the diagrams, it's simple (for me anyway, with a background in VW-Audi and aircraft electronics) to wire the in-line .75 ohm resistor (gets it's feed from relay term.#30, goes internally through fusebox, out the back to a red and blue wire on rear of fusebox, at top left when flipped down; will be a green connector #586 @ pin #4) with a feed from a console mounted switch. If added switch is only hot with ignition "on" running lights will shut off with ignition. If bank robbing is your business at night, simply turn off this switch for "discrete night driving". Hence a truck with or without daylight running lights. Does bypassing the intellegent driver module make you smarter than the truck? I doubt it, it will get even. Be sure to split your next haul with me. |
4 common sense
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 03:08 pm: |
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Lets get reasonable here, daytime running lights suck! Just another Big Brother idea to control part of your life. If you are not intelligent enough to know when to turn on the lights in inclement conditions, then you shouldn't be driving. Plus with all the cars with DRLs, it makes it harder to notice a motorcycle with its headlight on. |
Sean J
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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Thanks Paul. I think I'll leave it alone. |
Milan
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 08:34 pm: |
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4common sense,
I remember when motorcycles did not have DRL either. But it was a much common form of transportation then. Also slower than today's bikes and with less traffic in general. But I really liked and agree with what you said. |
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