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rob
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 08:46 am: | 
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a friend of mine is selling his warn winch and i have been looking for one for a while, im 16, so money is a big issue, thats why i am buying it used, what are some things that i need to look for to make sure everything works as it should? thanks.
-rob |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 10:06 am: |
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what size winch? or part numper?
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Dave
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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I have always wondered why people are getting these 12,000 lb. winches when the vehicle wieghs only ~4500. Why not get a smaller one that is more closely related to the vehicles wieght?
Thanks in advance for your reply. I am also newbie, and in search of a winch. Would just like to know the rationale behind them. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:10 am: |
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Dave, when you combine the vehicle along with the resistant force that's keeping it from proceeding, such as a steep bank or stuck in the mud, more force is necessary to get the truck to move.
Also, if you read several threads on this board, you'll see that a more powerful winch doesn't have to work as hard to move a truck, thus can work longer. A smaller winch running at full-capacity can kill itself. Yes, you can use pulleys and double the power, but you're halving the pulled length, and have to make multiple short pulls instead of one long pull.
Bigger is better.
-L |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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Dave, it's because the ratings are bullshit advertising. and because of what Leslie said. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:17 am: |
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Well , its not only that Les. I dont think a 12K winch actually pulls 12K or a 9K pulls 9K. Think about how many things play into that and how perfect the enviroment was when the winch was rated as pulling that hard. Once you bolt it onto the Disco it all gos out the window. Its not clean as new any longer inside. The available voltage fluctuates all over the place depending on what else is happening at the time (Lights , heater , etc) The pulls arent straight and its always less then perfect circumstances that its being used in. Therefore I return to what you said about running at peak. Although , I think the peaks are lower then advertised and not constant to boot. The big winches give you a margin of safety as far as all that is concerned. I like to think of it as having reservs,,,,or "Backup"..... Sorta like a pistol , why carry a low cap mag when you can carry more help with the same effort ?
Kyle |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:19 am: |
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Dave,
One of the reasons is aftermarket gear, off road tools, and other packed items. This can amount to quite a lot of weight.
Perhaps the main reason though, has to do with gearing. With every successive layer of the cable, the winch is "geared up". It only operates at it's peak pulling capacity for the first layer, which should be left on the spool anyway. I don't know if you need 12,000 pounds, but 8,000-10,000 is not unheard of. You should probably have at least an 8,000 pound model.
It comes down to what you want to do to your truck later. 8,000 will move a stock Disco just fine, but modified, with extra fuel, up a muddy hill? See my point...
Cheers,
Kennith |
John
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:20 am: |
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The rated pull is for the top layer of line, the pulling power decreases as you pull more line out to reach a pull point. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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Actually John , thats the opposite of true.. The first wrap on the drum is the hardest pulling because of gearing...
Kyle |
John
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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Yep. Youre right, sorry...bass ackwards. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:56 am: |
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Kyle, you are correct.
The weight rating is for the maximum amount of force the motor will exert on the drum. It has nothing to do with the cable. With each layer of cable, the load bearing point is positioned farther away from the drum. The load now has the mechanical advantage of leverage.
The load has the mechanical advantage because it is not getting heavier, nor is the force required to move it increasing. What is happening is that the leverage effect is reducing the final force that the motor exerts on the object the cable is attached to.
The load remains the same, the initial force remains the same, but in between lies the limiting factor, the lever. The lever is a "simple machine" like an inclined plane. Gears use leverage, screws use inclined planes. Both can work for you or against you.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Brad Russell (Bradnc)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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i recently acquired a used Warn XD 9000 and a non-SRS ARB Bull Bar for a D1 for free. I need to buy accessories for the winch in order to use it, all i have are D-Rings right now. I've heard of people snapping whinch cables, in fact my buddy with an FJ-40 did it just the other day trying to pull out another FJ. But, I was wondering, will the winch stall before it snaps, and these guys were like taught and then trying to pull it out with the vehicle, kinda like a wire tow strap? That's the only way i could thing it would snap, unless it just does whenever it has too much pressure on it, which seems unsafe...
Brad |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 02:56 am: |
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To answer rob's question.
Run it and see what it sounds like, does it unspool freely? Does the motor get hot from just spooling in and out?
Undo the few little bolts (allen on some warns) holding the engagement lever on and look inside, if it is muddy/rusty figure on a relube at the least and push the price down.
If by chance it is an 8274 I can send you rebuild instructions. The little flamers are easy to redo as well.
Ron |
rob
| | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 08:50 am: |
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ron,
thanks for the help, its an XD9000i. the reason i asked the question is, a few months ago, he had the winch, but no remote, and he couldnt get it to work, but now he has a remote. i was wondering if there are any other problems that run with the warn xd9000i winches that i should look for. the guy who is selling it is not known for his honesty, and thats another reason why i figured i should ask on here, since many folks seem to have experience with that winch. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:05 am: |
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Hey Ron, I'd be interested in a set of the rebuild instructions for the 8274 if you don't mind. Mine is fairly new, but it couldn't hurt to have the info. |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 09:08 pm: |
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Rob,
Personally I would not buy anything from someone who is known to be dishonest. However, if you must, check it out throughly. In addition to above, check to see that the line brake is functional. Spool out some cable on an incline and see if the winch holds. Make sure the cable is not damaged.
Greg,
I have a set direct from warn but I found this online. Its so easy its pathetic.
http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/bi...a/8274/8274.htm
Ron |
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