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Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:37 pm: | 
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Well , I guess its time to post about it even though I am sure I am going to catch majior heat. I do go over a read the pirates board from time to time (Mainly to see how we are getting thrown under the bus) and I notice that people seem to think that is the place to get eXtreeeeme info and this place is mostly for stock trucks.
Joanna is the latest to post about her future mods over there and she threw in some real nice animated icons behind it,,  Well did it ever cross your minds that some of us have already been there and done that and know what it brings ? Christ , Ho was the first with coil overs on a Disco and then that truck was passed onto me and Heather after its little incident (Involving a Mexican no less). I have built race cars and trucks and everything under the damn sun long before coming over to Land Rovers and I have seen what certain things do. Things about shocks come up and we comment from experience with them , Hell , I had Ranchos and still have a blown out set on the front of the Bronco 2(busted off NASA knobs and all) that I converted to a V-8 with revalved 51 heads , big cam and converter and the whole 9. Where is the Bronco sitting ? Its sitting there beside the garage cause that bitch would never leave the state unless it was on a trailer.
Lets see , before that it was a 76 short bed with 35's , a 428SCJ and a stick. Mix all that together with liberal amounts of booze and tell me what ya get ?? The truck drove like shit , towed like shit and was fairly unreliable as a whole if you let that right foot go south much past the half way point. But it was way fucking cool and it ran its ass off. The motor always ran it was just everything behind it that didnt like it much.. Yeah , around here somewhere I have pics of the trucks lettered up after a night at the track where the booze got to talkin and the next thing you know I was staging the big bitch beside some dude in a five liter mustang just knowing that if I dropped that clutch with a little too much of the go pedal I was going to leave half the truck right there in the gate...
When I was in high school in the Vocational School all the other kids brought in thier mustangs and Camaros to work on them and I dragged in a 1962 3/4 ton 4x4 Chevy truck that I had put 44s on. Also a stick and also with a hot small block in it. That didnt last long... Ground hawgs were the shit back then. The way I see it . They held the truck off the ground just as well as a 27" tire would have while it was sitting there in the driveway broken..
My point is that I am not sure where this bullshit comes from. Right now between Ho , Ax and I we have three of the best equipped best maintained and sturdiest Discoveries out there. How many threads have any of you read about us being broken or breaking on a trip? Sure , it happens to all of us sooner or later but it damn sure happens less now that I got that hard education.That hard education is all we are passing on.... If you dont want to listen to it then dont. But dont talk shit about the site that has it... You dig ?
Kyle |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:58 pm: |
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Hmmmmm....
d-web-
por-
d-web-
por-
d-web-
LOL! |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:06 pm: |
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Whoa!  I saw that thread. Is that the same Joanna from the "punks" thread? Man! I guess she's eXXXXXtreme! 
-glenn |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:17 pm: |
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What pirates page? I apparently missed something along the road. Send an address. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:24 pm: |
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Here ya go....lol http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=799249078a5d8a39c2dc1194c5fcda81&threadid=60785
Beware the popups.....
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:33 pm: |
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Somebody made mention to Rovergirls.com. Sure that isn't what she was talking about?
I know the hair is long, but...
Seriously, though, there was a while on Discoweb where if anybody posted anything but 235/85's and a 2" lift they got reamed to death. Seems to not happen so much anymore, though.
I like POR, they touch some topics that aren't touched here. All makes for fun reading while avoiding work.
Tom |
kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:37 pm: |
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Tom , when posts like that get started they act as if they are breaking some new ground there and we are just silly conservative fucks. They aint breaking new ground. They are just bringing the same ole shit thats been out there forever into the main stream on THAT BBS... How long has a fucking coil over been around ? It aint rocket science to nail the bitch on there , hack away and get rolling...
Kyle |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:39 pm: |
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While she is a Rovergirls member, we dont have a BBS on Rovergirls.com so I dont think it was us she was talking about.
Chris von C
www.rovergirls.com
www.gotmud.org |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:44 pm: |
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Well, most folks who I have seen post on that BBS and complain about this BBS I have seen post here and get reamed a new one for one reason or another.
Remember Marty's flares recently? He posts up a pic and in come the flames calling his truck a piece of shit and so on. Granted, the pics didn't look the best, but it was a work in progress.
Scout posted up a while back about how to make a snorkel and that was an immature 80 post attack saying he didn't know shit because he referenced doing it on his Scout.
Maybe we should just have a BBS vs BBS softball game or something to settle it all, like some Happy Days episode.
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:47 pm: |
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Martys truck is a beater. It was a beater long before the flares. Old scout ? Man he posts all kindsa shit and has done jack with his disco. Its always some scout shit.. You see any pics of his ride on taht BBS that he is moderating? I think there is one driveway pic... Did he make a snorkel for the Disco and then come here posting about "How its done" ? Nope , he hadnt even done it on he scout at that time.... Kinda Perronish....
Kyle |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:56 pm: |
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slow night, eh kyle? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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Just stirring the pot Rob,,,, Things get a little stale. I am sure poor Jay is having a fucking heart attack....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:59 pm: |
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now, Kyle, chill out. Let the girl slap 35s on it.
I may take a picture of a rover axleshaft next to a Dana44 axleshaft; the dana snapped under not a whole lot of throttle, with only 33" tires.
it's got to be the East Coast thing - no lockers, and big meats with no room under fenders. gotta float on that mud.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:01 pm: |
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But man it hurts when some little ass locked up truck just strolls right by your ass like you are holding the brake.... Damn thats hard to live with....
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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Well I understand Kyles frustration. Its frustrateing to see someone else cover the same ground you already covered and have all the answers for. ALthought I do see bashing go on here its few and far between and 9 out of 10 times the person thats getting flamed is geting flammed not because of his post but from one of his/her replys to someone else in that post. I`ve never seen Kyle, Axle or Ho bash anyone here (well ok Kyles a smart ass once and awhile but its flavorful). Now I know i`d rather ask them about a certian MODs and installs before I start asking others that may not know or those that say COOL DO IT just so they can see how it turns out. From what I have seen and read these guys here and others have a ton of quality experiance. Flame me if ya want but I consider Disco Web and E.E the internet bible for Discoverys. |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:14 pm: |
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i think it's cool. it is really nice to know your potential wheeling buddies, and have a good excuse to bail out of a ride when you know that between 10 trucks there will be 4 broken axles...
damn, Kyle fell asleep...
peter |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:34 pm: |
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wow they dont like us much do they?
mike w |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:04 am: |
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Kyle-
Thanks for the mention. I knew you must have been thinking of me. Just to let you know, my new chrome plated sand ladders look wonderful polished to a bright shine.
That said, what does it matter that some girl from College Park wants to put on an RTE lift and 33" tires and then state that on the "other" board you get bashed? Is there any fallacy to that statement? People on here get bashed all the time and a number of you credit that bashing to making this board more "entertaining".
So Joanna posts icons giving up the finger and you take offense? |
muskyman
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:35 am: |
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kyle,
I too remember the days of ground hogs ,monster mudders and swampers.
the 4x4 world is changing and thats life. i remember you bashing pirate for the icon barage.
but now your site has icon barf as a new attraction.
If you dont hear it enough ...YOU HAVE A GREAT SITE
at almost 40 my body much prefers bouncing down the road in my disco then my toy scout...but the scout is still lots of fun.
you need to get that bronco out and go bashing get muddy stuck and drag the fenders on everthing in sight,to much time tip-toeing around in a pretty truck with lockers and all the candy is bad for your driving skill.
I'll bet that 428 would really rock your pretty white truck |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 04:16 am: |
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you put portals on that 62 chev Kyle?
Ron |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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Actually Ron , whenit had sen its last road days it got Rockwells from a military surplu yard in deleware....
Kyle |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:28 am: |
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Kyle, I'm on the POR board as well. For what it's worth, there can be some really good info gained on there, just as there is here. You just have to weed through everything and take what you need. Each forum has its place. I've gotten some really great ideas from a couple of people over there that aren't on this site. It all makes the world go 'round. Peace & Love man! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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Greg , I am not knocking the work the boys put into their stuff . I have seen some nice stuff over there and Adam seems to have his shit together.. But its nothing new and I certainly dont whine here about what they do or say. This thread pops up simply because of the people that go there and do it...You can actually count them on one hand so its not like some big "Pirate vs Discoweb" debate... I mean Cmon man , there is a feeling of "Pirates= eXtreeeeeme , Discoweb=Conservative and boring" and you know it... That shit just blows my mind...
Kyle |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 10:23 am: |
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Well, as much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree about the POR=Extreeme" thing. But you have to admit, alot of those guys (OK, several) are willing to try just about anything to get their end results. Not saying that people on this board don't try different things, but it seems to be more common over there. Over here the impression is there are a certain group of products that should be used on a Rover. Anything else and your buthcering the marque (sp?). |
Joanna (Joanna)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 10:30 am: |
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Jesus Christ...I am doing my mods and I want to try new things. So you have done it all before, but what the hell is wrong with someone else wanting to try too?
I posted about the RTE 4in easy lift kit and I immediately got crap. How the hell do you expect someone to react? So I wanna try and put a 4in lift and 33s under there, so freakin' what? I don't think I am extreme, I just like that shit. Nothing wrong with that.
I love this board too cuz I can get really good technical advice from here, but I can't stand the crap that people get for asking a simple question and NOT getting a simple answer, not some smart ass comment.
Live and learn. If I break something, then I learned my lesson, but there is no hurt in trying.
Glenn, I don't get it. What does that punks post have to do with this one? So a friend got her ride toasted, it sucks whether it was a jeep, disco or freakin dodge neon.
~J |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:07 am: |
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Joanna,
Nothing. It has nothing to do with it. What I don't get, like Kyle, were the cute animated icons after referring (sp?) to the "other" BB. I mentioned that "punks" thread because, I saw how everybody reacted to it with symphaty to your friend. I just don't understand the hatred to this BB. You mentioned of another thread about the RTE 4" lift where you got "crap", if that's where it [hatred] came from, I apologize for not seeing the thread, I will check it as soon as I post this.
Oh, and nope I am not affiliated to the discoweb boys whatsoever, I haven't even met them (except for Ax). Although, through the years I've gotten a lot of priceless information about my rig (or is rig too extreme to refer to my rather conservative/boring Disco? ) from this site and has literelly saved me money in various maintenance DIY's. Peace! 
-glenn |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:12 am: |
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when in Rome.......... |
Gil Stevens (Gil)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:19 am: |
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....watch your wallet, i got pick pocketed there.. |
Joanna (Joanna)
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There is nothing wrong with conservative and I don't find it boring at all. And there is no "hatred" involved. All in good fun, like comments here about FLIPS and Mexicans, etc, etc. And, no, I don't think that 33's and the RTE lift are extreme. Just something I want to try. I also feel that I get priceless information here, but I don't get why it seems to be a bad thing to get over a 2in lift and 235/85s.
That's all.
~J |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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Hh , a Neon ? I dont think anyone would care..
"J"
Your list was all the components of a house of cards. Now , knowing what we know about the Disco and the drive line and being where we have been. What does that make us if we/I "Get behind it" ? You did read the responses to your post over there about Dana rears and axles and all that good shit didnt you? You probably shouldnt be so down on good advise... The site isnt here to give bad advise....If you would like me to elaborate on the big heavy ass bodied Disco and gear sitting on the little spacers and longer bolts and the increased side loading that the bolts see due to this I can I suppose... As far as the drive line . I dont really think that needs to be mentioned again. You will be forced to spend that money at some point. Instead of it being an upgrade it will come in the form of a repair that you werent expecting...
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:46 am: |
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Tisdale ? LOL..... Glad you could make it..
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:51 am: |
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this is the very reason why i keep saying JUST DO IT!
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Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:53 am: |
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Ho, I like your way of thinking! |
Kim S (Roverine)
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"i think it's cool. it is really nice to know your potential wheeling buddies, and have a good excuse to bail out of a ride when you know that between 10 trucks there will be 4 broken axles..."
LOL!!! So true. Peter, you're priceless
Kim
I'm out now for the rest of the day (don't talk too much sh*t behind my back now, LOL) Have a great weekend all! JUST DO IT!! Now go break some stuff. |
p m
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Kim, my axles may be among these 4
peter
(at least i'm trying to keep the disco all together) |
Glenn Guinto (Glenn)
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Ho, are you getting some "royalty" fees from Nike for that quote? hehehe...
-glenn
I've been doing it but it's not getting done. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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well, there's some real deep meaning in this "JUST DO IT" thing... i don't know about nike's motive, but mine is a bit sarcastic. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:56 pm: |
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I just did it and now I think I'll be getting about 15 platinum visas in the mail next week. LOL. |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
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I'm siding with the opinion that this Dweb leans more to the conservative and POR the extreme. There is a huge difference between trying things out on a '72 Toyota PU and an '00 Disco. You can trash the Toy and not cry too much going back to the bank. Not the same with a Disco.
Discos are great vehicles and I am proud to own one. It does exactly what I need mine to do. There really are not that many good mods that we can do to them though without some serious and adverse consequences. We cover most of those mods well on this board: mild lifts, mild tires, lockers, bumpers, & sliders. After that the list drops off very quickly.
The POR board addresses all vehicles and there are seemingly endless ammounts of mods you can do to them. I think that the DWeb team should take it as a compliment that some on the POR board even notice DWeb and find it necessary to knock this board. I mean, jeez, Dweb should not even show up on thier radar. Not only do they notice, but they like to take shots. I think that is great!
Curtis |
Curtis N (Curtis)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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LOL. I think when Ho says "JUST DO IT" he is really saying SHUDDUP!
Curtis |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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So wanting a 2 inch body lift and ECR flares combined with my 4 inch suspension lift so that I can run 36s or larger is a bad thing?? |
Curtis N (Curtis)
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Eric N,
JUST DO IT
Curtis
sorry Ho |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:19 pm: |
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I also noticed at Uwaharie (sp) that the D90 guys next to me and a few others saw the D-Web stickers on the side of my Disco and promptley looked down on me like I was even scummier then I ussualy am.. And I know this as I heard one of them saying some thing to his friend about "look there is one of those Disco web losers".. |
Kyle
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You will soon find out wont you Eric ? Ofcourse , you can run 44s on the things and get away with it if its never gonna leave the street.
Kyle |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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Curtis, as soon as I get the money that I need to get it done correctly I'm going to do just that. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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ya 44s.. now your talking.. of course I will need a second car so that I can pull my "trailer queen" disco around to the trails. But, I'm working on that as well. |
Kyle
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LOL , you shoulda popped him in the chops one time. Maybe that woulda changed his outlook on things..
Kyle |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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Na, cause then I would have been asked to leave and wouldn't have had the chance to drive in all that dust.. Plus, there were alot of nice folks there too. |
Greg Davis
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Eric, next time let me know who. You shoulda told me. We could take him, I know we could! By the way, are you going to the July event near Blowing Rock? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:31 pm: |
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Ahhh the Dust derby...... I see... Well , seek retribution in knowing that one day you will witness some 90 boys doing something monumentally stupid.... How can any of us forget the fags in the marsh....
Kyle |
Curtis N (Curtis)
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Is Uwharrie kind of like circle track racing?
Curtis |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:36 pm: |
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Uhm, do I WANT to know about some fags in the marsh??? I hope they didn't take Ho's advice and "Just Do It". |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
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Greg, where can I find more info about it.. Like date, location, and stuff?
You lost me on the "Fags in the marsh" comment.. Not sure what you are talking about there.. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:37 pm: |
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Greg , the story is a very funny one.... A few guys from here were there that day ....
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:39 pm: |
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Quote:So wanting a 2 inch body lift and ECR flares combined with my 4 inch suspension lift so that I can run 36s or larger is a bad thing??
not at all. It's only bad if you don't realize what's coming down the pike after the lift & tires...
and I woulda had a thing or two to say & do if I heard someone insult me like that...but that's just my overly-friendly demeanor... |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:44 pm: |
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I've been called worse.. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:45 pm: |
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never heard that story Kyle, care to tell it? |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:50 pm: |
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Is this the same trip as the Capt. Swaybar affair?
Chris von C |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:50 pm: |
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I dont know if the pics are still around here or not. TO make a long story short. Two rainbow warriors in a short bus drove into the resivior out there near you and got stuck. Then then spent about a hour prancing around in the marsh calling each other darling and breaking shit up...
Kyle |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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PS.. I love Kents coil over disco!
700 more miles and I am out of warranty.
CVC |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:56 pm: |
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No , not that one Chris.... That is another Defender story. I think that could be considreed "Your story".. We have a set of 4 race runner coil overs and most of the mounts and shit laying in the garage floor Chris...
Kyle |
Greg Davis
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Eric, it's being hosted by the same club, CROC. July 26-28. Don't have the exact details yet. Trying to find out the particulars. Supposedly there are some nice trails up there near Boone. From mild to gnarly. I'll hopefully have my lockers in by then. I'll post the info in the events section once I get it all confirmed. The wife and I will be camping Sat night, if camping is avail. |
of course anon
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"look there is one of those Disco web losers"..
In your case, I don't think the D90 owner was too far off on that comment. OUCH! |
Johnathan Tisdale
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:05 pm: |
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Tisdale ? LOL..... Glad you could make it..
Kyle
Kyle,
Nope, just spectating on this one!
Johnathan |
Henry Fox
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:08 pm: |
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Spectating here but help stirring it up on the Exxtreemeee Advertisment Board. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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hahahaha I hear that place is filled with co-ag which helps the mud harden.. Not too bright..
I like Kents Disco as well... But, I'm wondering how those boggers do on side hills as I have heard they are not good at that. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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Ya Greg, I may drive down there for that if they have camping. |
p m
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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back to the subject -
this is perfectly okay to have a disco on 2" body lift, 4" springs, and with 35" meats on the stock drivetrain.
it all boils down to a few questions:
- who's going to lay in the dirt or mud to swap out a blown diff, pretzeled driveshaft, or shattered axle or CV joint?
- how much time will it take the above-questionned person to accomplish it? (the length of shit-shooting session for the rest of the gang)
- how does the owner of the urban assault vehicle see his/her retreat back to the blacktop?
very few people are responsible enough to ask themselves these Qs before they hit the dirt.
peter |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:31 pm: |
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I wouldn't run stock axles.. You can break those with out any mods. |
p m
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:46 pm: |
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Eric,
go to the POR thread (link somewhere above) and check the list of equipment Joanna ordered. See any heavy duty axles there? Any drivetrain upgrades at all?
peter |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:06 pm: |
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nope.. but, that doesn't mean that she didn't. And I read the thread as I read/lurk/ and some times post over there also just like I do here. |
Ron A
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:19 pm: |
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you guys are pretty damn funny sometimes..
so Kyle what kind of wax is it you use? LOL
Ron A |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:22 pm: |
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Now Ron , I know you cant help but to tune in and watch. Sorta like a bad car accident.. I prefer Turtle way myself.....
Kyle |
Anonymous
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no Anon, this is more por's style-
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Ron A
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:39 pm: |
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yea I gave up soaps long ago but it looks like I'm hooked again.
I'll stay tuned... 
Ron A |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 04:06 pm: |
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If I am a loser for being here, then so be it.
Paul
aka cracker |
jc
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 04:30 pm: |
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Don't worry Paul, the loosers have migrated to the POR board. |
NeonCruzzer
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 05:05 pm: |
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Hi I'm new here but I was wondering if anybody could help me put 33's on my Dodge Neon. I know it's not all wheel drive but I had planned on streching rubber bands around the front wheels all the way to the back to generate drive at all 4 wheels and give it a sort of "panzer" look.
Thanks
P.S. My neon could outwheel any Land Rover, and best of all...the chicks dig it ! |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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damn, i'm late...
kyle , you told the story well.
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 05:36 pm: |
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I am sure you ave a version Rob.... lol
Kyle |
chrisvonc
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 05:52 pm: |
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Normally I like watching the soaps like this play out but in this case I think we don't need to start calling either BBS visitors, "losers". The POR board is a good resource in its own standing for someone who wants to go beyond the normal scope of mods that most of us here on the Discoweb run on our trucks. If someone not concerned with preserving the every day driver status of their truck and wants to start converting it to a rock wall crawling beast or something they don't mind bouncing off a boulder here and there, then they might be better off by posting on the BBS made up of people who are used to building rock buggies and what not. By no means I am saying that people here don't have the ability to offer the same kind of good advice. Just that the general theme on here is the preservation of the Rovers "on road usability" with offering the maximum amount of off road modification possibilities while maximizing the vehicle longevity. It's a different crowd on both boards with their own mindset of wheeling.
Chris von C |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 05:54 pm: |
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Yes , I dont typically bash them untill they act like Dicks.. Actually , onlya few of them have acted like dicks....
Kyle |
JMcD
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 06:31 pm: |
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I don't think the Kyles point has anything to do with lifts,axles,big meats or even discos. Fact is nobody likes two faced people. Come here and show stupid pics of your dog and shit, then go somewhere else and talk trash like she did is just wrong. Reminds me of the good 'ol days in elementary school.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. People won't always like you, but they will respect you.
JMcD |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 06:40 pm: |
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Anon 2-
Not only that, but those pics cost $20 to post!
LOL!!! |
Robert Mann (Oldscout)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 07:46 pm: |
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ROTFLMAO |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 02:18 am: |
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Eric-
Discoweb losers?
As much as I hate to post this, I have to side with Kyle on popping the guy one.
Especially coming from another Rover owner. That is seriously wrong. More wrong than my chrome plated sand ladders. |
jay caragay (Jcaragay)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 02:23 am: |
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I just took a moment to re-read Joanna's thread on that Pirate place and she says that she's going with the 2in RTE Spring lift and the 2in body lift and 33inch tires. That considered, it shouldn't drastically change her drivetrain geometry to the point that she would have major problems. There are many of us on here that have gone with the RTE 2inch springs with no problems.
While I have not done the mod to my Disco, I thought I remember John Bradley Smith telling me that the 2inch body lift does not interfere or alter the drivetrain geometry. |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:37 am: |
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Chameleons are wonderful creatures, gifted as they are with the ability to adapt to many different environments, sometimes by simply changing their colors. Funny how important it is to fit in, eh? |
Strange Rover
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 08:12 am: |
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Gudday Kyle.
Remember me, its Slick.
You are bloody incredible. Still throwing the exact same crap as last time I was here. No explanation, no logic, no well constructed argument, no nothing. Just stand up on top of your pedistal and throw your mindless crap from there.
Remember our last discussion, exact same thing - you throwing crap without any justification or logical explanation.
Can you even hear your attitude???? Heres what you said in your first post here.
"Well did it ever cross your minds that some of us have already been there and done that and know what it brings"
Yes Kyle thats right. You couldnt get it to work so no one else will make it work cause thats just the way it is - Kyle says so and thats how it is.
", there is a feeling of "Pirates= eXtreeeeeme , Discoweb=Conservative and boring" and you know it... That shit just blows my mind...
Kyle "
Why does this blow your mind???? Why carnt you understand why there is a feeling like this???? What, do you think that everyone is just playing games and this is all just made up just to piss you off?? Cmon Kyle try to work this one out for yourself.
Sam
aka Slick
PS Kyle what ever happened to that other thread. I was really enjoying it and you were starting to look like some one who didnt have much idea (it looked like that to me anyway). Then something happened to this server???? and I lost interest. Dont suppose you can find that thread for me so I can finish what I was explaining. I dont know how to drive this BBS. :D
Oh yea who are the anonymous people here posting the pictures. Seems like two of mine made the cut. I must be impressing someone. LOL :D |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 10:46 am: |
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Wow I just don`t understand the Personal attacks on Kyle here. SLICK I don`t think Kyle is the only one here who has tried certian MODS that have criticly failed. From my Point of View all Kyle is trying to say is from his and otheres experiances, when ya Put Mods A,B and C on the disco your gonna get result X. Not only because hes faild personally but also its a MECHANICAL thing, a Physics thing. A axle or drive shaft will only take so much Thrust, load, etc before it breaks. A bearing can only handle so much before they foul, shatter, wear etc. I just can`t figure out all the personal slams here but I like Disco web and yea I check out and post on other BB`s but I post under the same name and don`t bash other bb. SO yea i`m a dedicated D-Web Loose and my D2 wears the Disco Web badge Proudly! |
muskyman
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 11:00 am: |
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sam,
its just a line in the sand and d-web doesent feel safe crossing it.
When I bolt a D60 with disc brakes and 1.5 35 spline axles under my scout its cool
If I mentioned I was gonna replace the piss poor axels under a my disco with a similar D60 1.5" 35spline on d-web I would get bashed for it being to heavy or not gonna work for this or that reason.
its just a line in the sand
but thats not a bad thing,if it went really extreeme here then all the conservative guys(large #) would go away and the the value of the site would be lost.
kyle,
remember you cant be everything to everyone ,so why try?...you are performing a huge servise to people in the disco world why muck that up with all this? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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Good to have ya back slick. You seem to miss the point youself. I have done the rear end swap thing and started down that road to ruin (I have Jigs for cutting and shortening/lengthening whatever you like). If you arent a mechanic/fabricator your truck will spend more time on stands then it will actually being used for its intended purpose. Now , intended purpose comes largely into play doesnt it Slick ? 99% of the people that visit this site want to drive the truck every day and have it behave for them no matter where they set out to go. Now your truck is very capable but can you say you can get in it and go where ever it is that you can think of on the map and do it in a timely fasion without failure? Our average trip out west is around 6 thousand miles. When is the last time you put that many miles on your beast there in one clip ? You forget SLick that a great deal of these people dont know just how god damn hard it is for the average Joe to do what he needs to do to support the giant meats. Reading it here on the net and looking at pretty pics makes it seem oh so easy. BUT , how many hours have you sweated over a welder and grinder ? Put an average Joe in your shoes and where would he be ? OR , lets say , put an average Joe in your truck , some guy that doesnt even know how to change the plugs. How far will the beast take him in his travels ?
Now for you and I its all pretty easy. You find a housing , you nail it under the truck and you ride. If the bastard breaks you simply nail another under there if that is what your heart desires. Do you read this site and see that most here cant change a spring ? What is the potential there when these guys start seeing and hearing how god damn COOL the giant meats are ? They start asking questions like "How much lift will I need to fit 35's without trimming?" and shit like that. Nothing about "What kind of driveline support will I need for 35" tires?" A few of the guys here are at that level but surely not the majiority. This site is not for the few but for the many...Take a look around ehre and do some comparisons or trucks in the gallery. All the fat tire trucks are prety much beaters. They get pissed off when you say that but thats the truth of it.
There are two fat tire trucks here that are actually loking pretty good and thats Alan Stuart and this dude Kent. Kent dont do much of anything with his becuase he is just now broke one CV with 35s and I cant say one bad thing about Alans (Even though Alan and I dont have a long history of getting along) . Alan put the time and cash into the truck to get what he wanted while still maintaining a solid decent looking truck.
Now , as for the eXtreeeeme feeling of things.. How do I address that ? Hmmmm , lets see.... How bout I ask you first ? What is your idea of "EXTREEEEME" is it "trails" or "obstacles" ? Is it bashing and breaking or coming out in the end under your own power ready for more ?
Do some reading on this board would ya and get a feel for the folks that read it (I have) then tell me about what a prick I am for giving them sound advice that wont have them riding down the road in a hunk of shit...
Musky , that posts for you to.. Its just a road that you start down that the truck really never recovers from.... Maybe someone will post all the pics we have of the fat tire boys in action....
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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Hey Kyle I want to put those 6 foot Dump truck type tires on my new D2. How much lift will I need without any Trimming. Forget the Brake Lines, Drive train, Axles, bearings, diffs, gearing, and that kida shit..I just want them 6 foot Earth mover tires on my rig. Now don`t tell me its a bad idea because for CHRIST SAKES you`d be BASHING ME!!! Just call me MR. EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM |
Kyle
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Well , they are 66" tall so I would imagine that somewhere around 20" ontop of what you have now should get it done... Just mount winch motors to the pinions and buttons in the cab to activate them so it will move. You dont wanna go too fast with them on there anyway....
Kyle |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
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Thanks Kyle, i`m going out to start the mods now...i`ll put up some pics later tis weekend. Just one thing what Winches should I buy, 12,000 or the 15,000 lbs, electric or hydraulic?? |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 06:39 pm: |
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Yaaaaawn. Here we go again with the "My site is cooler than your site" crap.
I like the Pirate site. They have some cool stuff there. However, if you look around there, you will see that the Pirates are a club, which according to the site currently have 18 or 21 members, depending on which page you look at. (Members Rigs or Bylaws.) The Bylaws page lists what it takes to become a member, and the Members Rigs has bios of each members truck. The members rigs all seem to be designed to do one thing well, which is to run the Rubicon and similar trails. They are dedicated rock crawlers. There is nothing wrong with that. If I were to build a rock crawler myself, it would propably look similar. It would also most likely not be based on a Land Rover. It would be be either a tube framed buggy, or something based on a Wrangler, old Bronco or something else along those lines.
Then we have the POR bbs. Naturally it is oriented towards dedicated trail machines, because that is the roots of the POR club. But not everyone who is a member on their BBS is a real Pirate. On their BBS there are some people who know their stuff, and some that don't, just like any bbs. You can also donate $20 to help with the costs of running the website if you wish. That gives you a red star next to your screen name on the bbs, and access to some special functions, but it don't make you a real Pirate. I respect the real Pirates and their abilities, and have no quarrel with them. But I doubt that even the real Pirates themselves would say the same about every single person that post on their bbs. If they could, they would not limit membership in the club to 25.
Then we have DiscoWeb. This site has a different focus than POR. We deal with a lot of day to day issues with daily drivers, and when it comes to modifications, we generally stear people towards modifications that will maximize the Rover's off road capability while at the same time retaining reliability and day to day driveability. Why? Mainly because the majority of visitors on this site use their Rovers as daily drivers while also using them off road. It is also how the 3 founders of this site use our Rovers, so naturally that is what we focus on. As has been stated before, it is 2100 miles from New Jersey to Moab, so my Disco needs to be able to handle the road trip in addition to the trails once I get there. Does that make my Disco any less capable? Depends on how you define it. Obviously a real Pirate rock buggy would be able to climb a bigger rock than I can in Moab or on the Rubicon, but I will leave that same rig in the dust on I80 going back across to New Jersey. Again, not knocking the Pirates, just pointing out the difference in priorities. They have theirs, we have ours. Nothing wrong with that.
That brings us to the DW bbs. Because of the different focus of DW, the posts here tend to be different, obviously. But, just as the Pirate bbs, we also have a some of people who know their stuff, and a lot that don't. Kyle happens to fall in the first category. Opinionated and stubborn he may be, but he sure knows how to build and fix a Rover. It also looks like he took offense to the tone of Joanna's post on the POR bbs, prompting him to start this thread. I can relate to that. Of course Joanna is free to post wherever she wants, but she should not be surprised if some people here feel less inclined to be helpful after her negative remarks on the POR bbs.
So does this all make one site "better" than the other? I don't think so, it just makes them different.
POR is the definition of Extreeme, and DW is boring and conservative? Naaah. POR is a rock crawling oriented site, DW is not. So what. I doubt DW would average 3500 hits/hour if it was boring.
Axel |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:26 pm: |
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WOW!
What a thread,
can you say america;
the land of personal freedom & opinion!
please dont make it the land of attack VIA net.
Its a rover, not an ordinay car.
Be glad you have 1, appreciate it,
Build to suit, have more fun!
come trails end its OK to go smo.
Ya'll have a beer, then reread your stuff.
then grow up.
OFG
oldfatguy |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:38 pm: |
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I dont drink.. It rotts the brain and makes you an "Old Fat Guy"
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 08:38 pm: |
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I see the hand full of "Dicks" over there know who they are... Its good to know yourself (Picture silly animated icons here)
Kyle |
Eric
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 12:14 am: |
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WOW - such heated debate.
Perhaps the demographics of each of these sites serves a different purpose. Not all LR owners come from the same place. But I suspect that some LR owners made the financial justification to purchase their LR from some prior experience.
Although possible, most LR buyers are not likely purchasing their very first four wheel drive. A safe assumption would also be that part of the justification comes from breaking down somewhere.
Breaking down somewhere, depending on the circumstances, can have a significant effect on how a person views potential modifications.
I don't think the average Discovery owner is looking for a two mile rubicon demonstration. I could be wrong. I purchased my Discovery for my wife. We live in Utah and we get lots of snow. I travel quite a bit on business. I wanted my wife to drive something RELIABLE and CAPABLE when I am not there. AND when I am around we like to drive to some remote places with the family. We like the west desert and mountain roads.
We have always had four wheel drive, and have experienced several less capable vehicles.
On past vehicles we have done all the popular modifications with mixed results. When we purchased the Discovery we were looking for something solid out of the box. So I never planned on huge mods.
It would be interesting to know what the age and driving application for the average Discovery owner would be. I think it would also be interesting to know how many other four wheel drive vehicles a Discovery owner has experienced before deciding on a Discovery.
I'd bet that kind of factors into the differences between the web sites too.
I once read a case study on the market analysis for perpared spagetti sauces. After gobs of research, the consulting firm could only conclude that Ragu customers prefer Dogs and Prego customers prefer Cats. That was the only correlation uncovered by the study.
I suspect that Discovery owners who frequent this site are looking for helpful information more than anything.
Eric |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 12:44 pm: |
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my casual research of this bbs over the past 3 years has lead me to believe a relatively large (20% i'm guessing) percentage of disco owners owned a trooper before the disco
i know of ten off the top of my head |
p m
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 01:52 pm: |
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i know of a few that had a Wagoneer before
peter |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 03:40 pm: |
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Axel, i just read your 06-15 posting and i have to say , Well said DUDE!
mike w |
Petros (Runnerma)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 04:36 pm: |
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I agree with Mike W, Well said DUDE!
Petros |
Joshua Weinstein (Untrakd)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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Kyle, I think this silly animated icon might suit the current debate!
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Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 09:29 pm: |
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sweet i love that one ;)
rob |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 03:03 am: |
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Why everyone continues this crap is beyond me (Other than it is fun )
Need portals: POR
Need to fix Window ECU: Dweb
I need both. Ax could not have said it better.
Ron |
Strange Rover
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 07:20 am: |
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Kyle,
Nice reply post and I must say I agree with you 100%. I also appologise for the tone of my post but I thought we were going to get into it like good old times :D
Looking at what has been posted on this thread it is plainly obvious to me why Joanna posted on pirate.
I think that on pirate we are just a different bunch of people. I think that pirate is geared more towards driving over stuff (and yes I know DW is too). Breaking stuff is part of this game and building it so that it doesent break is the biggest challenge and where the fun is. Now this is so much more than just axle size vs wheel size. Its also about flex and balance and stability and anti squat and roll centres and heaps of other really good words. The more you get into it, the more you realise you dont understand and the more you want to learn. The best thing about pirate is that there are so many good people there with so much knowledge. The land rover section there is a great bunch of people and we got everything from daily drivers to totally undrivable machines that never see a bituman road (this is what mine is) and all the modifications to go with them.
Sam
And yea - 35s on a disco that doesent break every trip running rover axles - I could build that. :flipoff2: |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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No need to apologise slick. Atleast you came here and said what you had to say straight out. I cant fault you for that....
As far as anti squat and all the good words. Well , most of that is addressed here in little slices. Its actually much more difficult to get a truck to work two rolls. We are all running pretty much the same shit over here with the acception of "Optional obstacles" here and there. Think of our "trail" as being a few thousand miles long...
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
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Sam, I'm curious about which two pics are yours...are you the jeweler, insurance salesman, or airline ticketer? hehehe couldn't resist. |
Strange Rover
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 06:01 pm: |
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Series 2 rangie is my buisness partners wife's car. And the beat up rangie 2 door cab is what I pulled off my rangie before I put on a series 2a swb body.
Sam |
JB
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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"That hard education is all we are passing on...." Kyle 2002
Well then be a good teacher and teach us with stories and tell us of your experiences in a more positive manner - not pronouncements from above b/c 'till you started this 1 thread your posts all seem to be statements of fact not subject to debate or review - like it is your way or the highway ( no pun intended). And yes, I did quit reading your posts a few months ago b/c of your all too often pissy, greater than thou attitude which Axel so kindly calls 'stubborness'.
But I do love this board and learn something new everyday, I just quit going to your class. |
Kyle
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Well dont read em JB... ts just that simple. I am not trying to win a popularity contest... And exactly how could it be "My way or the highway" ??? Its the internet for christ sakes... "To click or not to click , that is the question"
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:28 pm: |
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Also JB , no matter what you say or how you say it , you are going to get some heat from one end or the other. Why try to bend and make "These over here happy" when "Those over there" are just going to hand out some shit like the others were giving prior? The bottom line is that no one wants to hear that what they are doing is a bad idea or that it will have Ill side affects. The stranger willed they are the more they will dislike it. Thats fine , do what ya like. No one is forcing anyone to do a god damn thing. Its all just talk on the internet as stated before.....
Kyle |
simon
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 03:31 pm: |
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if this is just internet please let me add something funny..
80)
Simon. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 03:36 pm: |
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LOL that's extreme |
kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 03:39 pm: |
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Oh he is a funny bastard , he wasnt laughing when those good ole boys surrounded his ass though.... Come to think of it. He looked a little nervous when he came into my town as well...
Kyle |
simon
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 03:45 pm: |
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LOL... man I'm telling you.. I was very afraid to hit your town... my little nonXtreeme disco looks way like yours.. you should have seen those police bastards....
red neck one to red neck two: SHHHHHHHH 2 mexicans driving kyle's disco... over..
red neck two to red neck one: shhhhhh are they driving dead?.. shhhh red neck one stop that absynth! kyle wont leave a mexican steal his disco!..OVER..
simon |
BrianFellows...BrianFellows...BrianFellows...
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:23 am: |
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"a reading bird?...that bird can't read...that's CRAZY!" |
Eric
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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BrianFellows...
I am a huge SNL fan LOL!! I notice you are always dressed in Safari type garb. Do you own a Land Rover and if so, what model? I would give anything to see you undertake a trek into the wilderness.
Eric |
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