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Author Message   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 12:45 am:    I was considering either of the tire brands in 235/85-16, the Goodyear MTR's look wider and smaller that the BFG MT. Is that true? Also which tire last longer and is the best for all type of terrain - rock, sand, mud, dirt, and so on? Which one is more affordable? Kevin (or you can call me Smalls)   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:13 am:    Kevin- The MTR's come a little short in all sizes. Used to have 235/85r16 BFG muds, and now have 33x12.5x15 MTR's. One of my techs has the 235 MTR's on NATO wolf wheels, and they seem a little small to me. My 33's are more like 32.4 or so. Have not had them long enough to comment on tread life, but two hard weeks in Moab didn't phase them. Moab ate my SSR's like candy. I got about 55K out of my last set of BFG Mud's on an FJ80 Cruiser. Rotated them at every oilchange though and watched the pressures closely. My next set will definately be MTR's again. Tough to say which is the right pick for you though. With a stock drivetrain, I'd probably go with BFG because they'll slip earlier than the MTR's and not cause so much stress on axles etc... BFG's suck in mud (hardly any self cleaning properties) the MTR's clean pretty well for what they are. In sand, I would think they behave very similar to each other when at the correct pressure for that terrain. MTR's tend to be a little more expensive, but so far so good. no complaints. I would not catagorize either one as an affordable tire (relative to the competition), but tires are one of those things I just won't go cheap on. Ask around your area, and see what the locals like an dislike about each. my .02 Craig   Mike D1 Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:28 am:    I have the 235/85 mtrs and like them a lot. They air down very nice (with the tread on the sidewall) and perform nice around 20psi. tirerack.com has a good price.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:33 am:    yeah yaeh... but the "wrangler" on the sidewall really bothers me.   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:51 am:    Yes Ho, but the 'wrangler' is where it belongs-- beneath you Craig   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:56 am:    LOL - craig, good point. very good point. wonder if they have my size....   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:01 am:    Anyone have experience with the Dunlop Rover R/T tires?   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:04 am:    Oh no-- here it comes... Craig   Ron Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:21 am:    LOL I think about half the people on the board are running R/Ts Does that answer your question Ron   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:35 am:    Bait! Bait! I'll bite!!! Yes, Erik Olson (Jon), I've got the R/T, and I'll tell ya now, as long as I have this Disco, it'll be wearing Dunlop R/T tires.... I've got 20k mi on them, and the tread depth on the 4 on the ground still matches the unused spare. They're no worse than the XPC on road, but a lot better off-road. Shop around, and you can find them at a decent price, less than GY or BFG. Perfect? Well, I guess nothing is, but IMO these are close. They're not whisper-quiet, but not dreadfully loud, and the Futura is a little less expensive than the Dunlops. Are the others, the MT/R & KM, better off-road? I dunno, I've not used those, only Bridgestone Duelers.... and the Bridgestones weren't bad, but the Dunlops are better. I put a LOT of highway miles on my Disco with the 4-wheelin' not being as often as I'd like, mostly Rover rallies and an occasional weekend here or there, so longevity and livable highway manners were essential. IMHO, the R/T is the best "compromise" tire, the best tire for a Disco. Yes, some road tires will beat it on-road, and some other tires may beat it off-road, but it's a MUCH better dual-purpose tire than any A/T tire. FWIW, YMMV.... -L   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:53 am:    The R/T's are a great tire choice. In fact, Ho is secretly very very jealous of the R/T's and is trying to find a way to take them off my truck. I think Leslie pretty much stated the case. Jeff   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:12 am:    LOL so i guess i am secretly jealous of MT/Rs and R/Ts now. LOL reality for me is, R/Ts don't look bad ass anough.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:19 am:    R/Ts look more bad-ass than XPCs.... But, maybe for Chickity it IS all about the looks... lol (Poseur!! Ho is exposed!!) It ain't about the look, it's about what it does... Personally, I still think that the Disco looks like a duck-billed something-or-another, but it sure does lots of things well, in style.... -L   my96disco (Trevorh) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:27 am:    Quick question. Can anybody tell me how the R/Ts perform in the snow? Thanks Trevor   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:34 am:    yes leslie, it's all about the looks. i'd not own an XD if it wasn't for the looks. LOL   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:39 am:    LOL, VERY good point, Ho.... Gotta admit, doing it good while looking ugly is fine, but doing it good while lookin' good at it is better.... Trevor, No serious personal experience in snow, we've only caught a few light skiffs thus far here in the southeast... it's been sweet in what there has been, though. I "think" they'll be fine in bigger snow, but I have to say that I realize that it depends on what kind of snow.... dry, wet, heavy, light, frozen, slushy, it all makes a difference.... Hopefully I'll have more experience before too long w/ 'em in the snow.... -L   Randall Smith Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 11:43 am:    I would say that the Goodyear AT/S is the best AT tire(I have never tried Dunlop RT). The AT/S is well suited as a full time off-road tire, and it also has superb traction in snow etc. And this tire is not noisey or harsh riding ar all. It is also very good looking and some sizes are available as C, D or E rated, take your pick. In my opinion buying tires is the easiest offroading upgrade you can do. Just pick the best tire, no "compromize". I use the AT/Ss 99 days out of 100. Use a dedicated set of offroad wheels only on the days when thay are actually needed. The hard part is getting rid of the old tires so you can larger/better tire. Anybody want 6pcs 245/75 BFG MTs with only 2k on them?? Come on it's so easy! Randall   Daniel Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 03:33 pm:    Trevor, I have the Dunlop R/V's which is one level down from the R/T's. I have had them in a decent amount of snow from fresh falled to slush to hardpack then ice all frm the same snow fall this year and they were great. I don't know if it means the R/T's will do the same, but I would expect as much.   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 03:45 pm:    Okay, Based entirely on Ho's jealous lust for the Rover R/T (and a little of what must be a paid endorsement from Leslie Bright) I'm sold on the R/Ts. Now, here goes another can of worms: As soon as Ho can get it together, I'll be purchasing a complete OME spring set-up for my 1995 Disco. Should I purchase 15" steels (to keep my Freestyles nice, and save $.48 [sic] per tire) or keep the alloys? In my honest opinion, I like the look of the steel wheels with A/T tires better than the alloys - however, would much rather spend the extra $200 towards some RTE sliders, underbody protection, etc., etc. TIRE SIZE Also of concern is tire size for a 1.5" - 2" OME lift, no spacers, fully retained with anti-roll bar removed. 235/85R/16 tires are pictured here: I'm interested in the more classic "narrow" look of the Series trucks without looking too tippy. The Camel Trophy Discovery's seem very close. Can I achieve what I want by running 15 x 7 / 15 x 8 steel wheels and 235/75R/15s? I've always run (on my Montero trucks) 31x10.5x15s and I'm a little lost on tires for the Disco, so thanks for your patience! At least I've settled on brand! Cheers, Erik   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 03:49 pm:    Uh, yeah - here's the picture now.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 04:06 pm:    I'm running 245/75R16 R/Ts, stock suspension. CT trucks were running 7.0x16, which is impossible to find. 7.5x16 is, though, which, BTW, is almost the same size as 235/85R16s.... I would suggest going with the 235/85R16, if you're going to have any sort of lift at all. The 16" alloy is fine, keep 'em if you like 'em. I also like the Disco spare; if I was going to switch from alloy to steel, I'd gather up a set of Disco spare wheels to use.... I'm even tempted to put Disco spares on the Series.... My suggestion is, keep the alloys for now, and use the funds for other goodies. Gather up Disco spares in your free time, and then at some point in the future you can swap them in. And, if you decide you don't like the spares, I'm sure someone here will but them. And no, I'm not paid, but I'd be tickled if they'd just offer me an extra discount or something, lol.... -L   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 04:18 pm:    Randall >"Anybody want 6pcs 245/75 BFG MTs with only 2k on them??" 245/75/16? Cuanto cuesta?   smeag Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 04:34 pm:    Just was quoted today; 285/75/16 wrangler MTR 223.00 installed plus tax......Now times that by 5, then double it for taken in account for wife that saids she gets to spend equal. Party goes on and on :-) Take care, Darryl   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:00 pm:    Eric, Keep your 16" wheels. No real reason to go 15" anymore. Tire prices have balanced as 16" is now more or less the standard. Go with 235/85R16. Very close to the CT look you are going after. I run 215/85R16 on both our Disco and my IIA. About 1" shorter and a little narrower then 235/85. Here are two pics:   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:02 pm:    OK. What gives guys? I get an error message that my pics can't be uploaded and now my post appears 3 times?   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:03 pm:    See above.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:13 pm:      Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:15 pm:    jeff, as you can see, works for me. maybe just a link to your gallery would do? http://www.discoweb.org/jeffbieler/   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:20 pm:    Yeah. I'll do that. It was a weird error message I've never seen before. I did the usual "image{Text description}" line and went to upload the pics and the message came up on a white background screen. Weird. Anway, Eric, here are two pics: http://www.discoweb.org/jeffbieler/johnbull13.jpg http://www.discoweb.org/seriesjeff/corva9.jpg   Jeff Bieler (Mrbieler) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:22 pm:    See. I can make it work too. Oh well.   Igor Pinchevskiy (Igor) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 05:42 pm:    Hi, Will the LT265/75R16 DUNLOP RADIAL ROVER R/T fit the 96 Range Rover 4.0SE on the 16" wheels? Thanks   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 07:12 pm:    265/75r16 rub on a 4.0/4.6 in anything but extended suspension profile. Craig   Sam Yu Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:56 pm:    Damn, that's nice rig...   Ron Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:11 pm:    You sure on that one craig. Maybe it depends on the tire? But the NBS rangie I have seen only run in access. Dunlops run a tad small so you should be ok on stock wheels with that. FWIW Ron PS as for snow, dunlop sells the R/T as a snow tire!   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:43 pm:    Ron- Yeah it has alot to do with what tire brand, some come big some come small etc... I've tried to do the 265's on a couple bigbodies(both were BFG) and they were fine in high profile, but had some pretty good contact just around town. If it were me, I'd call up Dr. Sawzall, and go for it! Craig   Jose A Cabrera (Jcabrera) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:01 am:    I am little confused... which size is taller & thinner 245/75 or 235/85?   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:05 am:    I think it is 235/85, is it? Ho should know. Aren't 245's stock? Smalls   Jose A Cabrera (Jcabrera) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:07 am:    I think 235/70 are stock on Disco I.   Ron Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:16 am:    235mm=width [(235mm)(.85)(2)]+16in= hieght 245mm=width [(245mm)(.75)(2)]+16in= hieght   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:35 am:    Don't forget to divide by 25.4 Ron- ie..[(235mm)(.85)(2)]/25.4+16=height in inches Craig   Ron Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:56 am:    i don't do those kind of conversions Ron   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 02:10 am:    Um, okay... Craig   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 06:52 pm:    I think i'll get the mt/r's, they have better ratings, but the only problem is what Ho say's, the "wrangler" sign, but Craig also has a pretty good point too. Thanks Everyone Kevin (Smalls)   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 07:56 pm:    kevin, you shouldn't care much to what i say, i am the biggest poseur out here.   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 08:02 pm:    Ho, don't sweat it, i've always had a problem with the "wrangler" sign ever since i saw it just like you   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 08:04 pm:    ahhh, you are a poseur too. LOL   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 01:21 am:    hehe, YUP!   cartner Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 02:03 am:    So get Dunlops Mud Rovers! I got em, and I love em!   Kevin Ta (Smalls) Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 02:49 am:    dunlop mud rovers are good too, how about it everyone? Let's add a little more to the subject - Dunlop Mud Rovers Vs. BFG MT's Vs. Goodyear MT/R's??? Personally i think the dunlop pattern looks very wimpy, MT/R's and MT's look MEAN! Although all of these are really good tires. What do ya'll think? Kevin (Smalls)   JRoc Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 03:20 am:    Hey Ho, Wanna have a poseur contest??? LOL You sound like me! Like I'm suppost to feel bad if someone calls me a poseur??? I used to drive a '77 Landcruiser FJ-40 and it had more rust on it than the Titanic!!! People who were hardcore thought I was being cool, I was just being broke! I had that baby lifted with 33" Mudders and when I first got it, I didn't even had a top! LOL And I'm in NY! Anyway, point being now that I've got a real nice rig I get the poseur looks. F em! Getting back to the post, all these tires are good. BFG's, Dlop's, G'yrs I think we all agree that as long as you stay away from Pirellis your fine. So Smalls, everybody has a personal favorite, but these are all good options. Good Luck and Get Dirty!   Ron Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 03:41 am:    Just to keep one thing clear. Dunlop mud rovers are a good mud tire and are suprisingly quiet on road (for a mud tire) but they are quite as durable as the MTR and are not ideal for snow/ice as they are not siped. Dunlop R/T is a TRACTION tire. Not quite as good in mud as a MUD tire but still very good. The advantages are that it is quiet on road, wears well, and works extremely well at giving you TRACTION in all sorts of conditions (snow, ice, dirt etc.) Personally I don't think I would be looking at either if I were a rock crawler but otherwise they do pretty good and the price is reasonable. Ron PS hard core people (like Alyssa ) run bias ply traction tires LOL but they have a somewhat limited usefullness on road. Check out the cooper super traction tread bias ply LT or the general super all grip (no longer available in the US ). Tires like these are unstoppable in ruts and mud. They are also extremely durable and heavy. A SAG on a 5.5in steelie is over 80lbs.