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Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 04:40 pm: | 
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OK, so we know the 2003 Disco 2 will have a CDL mechanism. This has been verified by numerous sources.
What has been somewhat of an enigma is the mechanism by which the CDL will lock. We know that the Disco 1 linkage will work on the Disco2, with some modifications.
The 2003 Disco2 will not use a lever to activate the linkage, however. It will use a solenoid housed in the transfer case shifter assembly that will be activated by the transfer case shift lever in a fashion similar to the Disco 1.
I have part numbers and a picture from the parts catalog of the assembly, but I have to scan these in.
I'm going to work with the parts manager to try and get these parts in for my 2001 Disco2 and get them installed. I imagine if the parts aren't too expensive, this may be the best solution for those who want a genuine LR CDL for the Disco 2. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:02 pm: |
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...this may be the best solution for those who want a genuine LR CDL for the Disco 2.
err... uh... Craig, the Disco 1 CDL is Genuine LR even if you install it on a Disco II.  |
Erik G. Burrows (Erik)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:21 pm: |
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I think this is good news. I'd like to be able to get buttons with nice pictures, and solinoids that go just the right amount. |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:48 pm: |
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Al-
Yes... But the Disco 1 CDL isn't designed for the Disco 2, even though it fits. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:04 pm: |
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Since the transfer case is the same on the Disco 1 and Disco 2 (LT230) I would have to say that the CDL is very much designed for the Disco II.
I'm interested in knowing how other people here did their install for the CDL in their Disco II. I've seen people post comments about having to modify the CDL linkage to get it to fit and noise. However I have no noticable noise (may be due to the roof rack) and didn't need to modify anything other than make sure the fuel lines had enough room and cut a larger opening on the metal plate the old linkage bolted to on the transmission hump inside the vehicle. |
leifr
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 11:24 pm: |
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Al and Craig,
Do you have the CDL lever with the insulator or without? I wonder if that makes a difference. The older ones were noninsulated and I would think louder and have more vibration.
Leif |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:31 am: |
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I'm not sure what insulator you mean but the linkage itself was a brand new LR part. I used a rubber gasket/boot that went between the CDL and the metal plate and was riveted into place with a metal ring that went around it. |
leifr
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:49 am: |
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The second pic shows the insulator I'm talking about that isolates vibration. I don't know if it would lessen noise, but it was in the older shifters. |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:51 am: |
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I'm not sure what the insulator is. Mine looks almost exactly like the linkage assembly in the article at EE.com
My noise is merely a by-product of cutting a hole in the closing plate, I'm nearly 100% sure.
Other than cutting the hole in the plate, all I really had to do was increase the offset in the transfercase selector linkage.
If the transmissions are identical, then why isn't the Disco1 linkage a 100% drop-in replacement for the Disco2 part then? It just dawned on me that the two SHOULD be identical... |
leifr
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:51 am: |
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That should say was NOT in the older shifters. This one is from a '98. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:10 am: |
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Ah... ic... that's like the insulator used on some BMW's manual shifters. They just include a bushing to take on some of the vibrations and also makes it feel a little mushy. I also added LOTS of silicone sealer when I did the intstall that may have helped reduce noise but I don't know.
Craig, When I did the install I didn't have to change anything other than cutting the hole in the plate but nothing on the CDL or x-fer case.
The X-fer case on the Disco II is a LT230se while the Disco 1 was a LT230q for the slush boxes. I don't think there was any real diffences between the two. The reason it's not a drop in replacement is not due to the transfer case but due to the body (transmission hump) mount inside the vehicle. Note that even the four bolts on the CDL fits right into the transfer box and bolts right up. I don't know about the transmissions. |
Leif
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:19 am: |
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Craig,
I just read your post on yahoo groups. You may be moving to Seattle? That's where I am. You will probably like the dealership where you are now better if they are working with you on the CDL. The Seattle dealership (especially parts) are not too friendly or helpful. |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:55 am: |
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I wonder why I had to ( as well as Ralph) had to increase the offset of the x-fer linkage.
Leif-
I MAY be moving to Seattle... LOL.. I'm interviewing for a job at the Univeristy of Washington.
With all of the recent activity in the Bay Area with regards to Discos and wheeling, I'm not really sure I want to move away, but there isn't anything for me job-wise here in the Bay Area at the moment. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:15 am: |
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i'm a total newb with a 2002 DiscoII. i know that the DiscoI linkage cant be installed on my truck, but what about the new DiscoIIa mechanism? |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 04:22 am: |
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No CDL mechanism will work because you probably do not have the plate and shaft the mechanisms need to connect to in order to lock the center diff.
This should get you up to speed:
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Dave
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:54 am: |
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I'm currently using the solenoid setup offered by GBR. It's pretty slick and adds another button to my console. It's stood the test so far, through sand, mud and rock. I'd be interested to see how exactly LR plans to house the solenoid itself. |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:11 am: |
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Al:
There's a poll we did some weeks back on the yahoo group that will show stats on D2 CDL installs. |
Leif
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:05 pm: |
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Anon,
For a 2002 I would consider the Quaiff limited slip center diff. It works like a TT. They are pricey, but maybe your only choice (besides replacing the t-case) |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:20 pm: |
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...or an ARB air locker in the rear. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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ARB doesn't reccommend a locker for just the rear if not equipped with CDL. If the front wheels start spinning, all of the torque will go there, rendering the locked rear useless. I know the ETC should compensate, but it's not efficient enough and you'll end up with an expensive locker install without the positive results. Either do both (ARB or True-Tracs), or leave it alone and let the ETC work by itself. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:26 am: |
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duh... thanks Greg I don't know what I was thinking |
andrew
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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hey guys,
I just looked at a 2003 IIa yesterday. I don't believe there is a CDL...someone please correct me. the t-case lever and the little diagram looked just like the '02s did. Three positions: H-N-L.
Maybe non-US-spec IIas have the CDL?
thanks
andrew |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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the 2003s will not come with the CDL stock. It's an option. |
gil
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:43 pm: |
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no its not an option. not yet anyway. |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 01:58 pm: |
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According to the 2003 owner's manual, it will be an option. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 02:35 pm: |
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Craig,
There will be a CDL Option but many sources have been reporting it will only be a OPTION for the EUROPEAN makes and it will be left out of the USA market. All the owners manuals are the same regardless if the discovery is bought in the UK or the USA. |
Craig Kobayashi (Koby)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 03:36 pm: |
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That sucks major ass.
Well, FWIW, the CDL parts can be found in the Microcats that are distributed to dealers.
Unless those are the same regardless of market.
Well, if my dealer can't get the parts, perhaps I need to go to the GBR kit. |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 03:41 pm: |
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Well things could change by the time the Real D3`s are released. I myself wont be buying one. I`ll keep my D2 and wait for the new Defenders to make there way over (I hope). I`ll sell the wifes Honda Accord and get me a Defender and give her my D2. hehehe |
Jim Murphy (Murph)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 04:49 pm: |
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Don't panic!
In the July issue of Land Rover enthusiast, a Land Rover rep. is quoted as saying they expect a 25-35% order rate of the CDL option in the US and UK. While I think that number is a bit high, it's pretty clear to me that it will be available in the US. From what I've heard, the first batch of '03s won't have the CDL available as an option, which is much like the original DSIIs with regards to ACE. Back then, it wasn't available in the US for the first two months or so.
murph
'99 DSII (who waited for ACE and would wait for the CDL option) |
Deepthroat
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 08:13 pm: |
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correct, CDL will be standard on all NAS Discos, except for the first 2 batches out of the factory. So if you want CDL wait to order your New 2003 Discovery till the end of summer.
Deepthroat |
Zinhead
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 09:15 pm: |
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They probably need to get rid of all the older transfer cases that don't have the cdl extension. What better market to dump them on than the US? |
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