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Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:19 pm: | 
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My wife had an accident last night (everyone is ok), but I need a new bumper. Any idea how much a stock bumper for d2 goes for? If it is close in price to an ARB Bull, I will opt for the ARB. Either way, I have to pay the first $500.
Tom |
carlt
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 03:24 pm: |
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Stock bumper is around $550, pluss paint is so...
I had the same problem 3 weeks ago... I bought a TJM bumper. 
Carl |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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Carl,
Where did you get the TJM Bumper?
Tom |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:28 pm: |
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try Expedition Exchange - they'll hook you right up. |
CarlT
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:31 pm: |
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Yes EE was where I bought it. Going on this weekend.
Carl |
CarlT
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:35 pm: |
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Tom
If the bumper is the only damaged part, then don't bother involving the ins. company / body shop, as removing and installing the bumper is pretty strait forward. I could send you pics of the removed parts so you get an idea if you'd like...
Carl |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:41 pm: |
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Carl,
Thanks for the info. As for additional damaage, I have to replace the grill, headlight, right turn signal, and small body piece under right head light. The pics would be great though. Atleast I would have something to give the body shop.
Tom |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:46 pm: |
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By the way, why did you choose the TJM over the ARB?
Tom |
Jeff Anderson (Groovydude)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:08 pm: |
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Why not just get a KVT bumper?? |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 09:51 pm: |
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Front end body work on the D2 is very easy. I had an unfortunate incident off road with a piece of angle iron bolted to a tree. Speared right under the headlamp, bent up the bumper, smashed the turn signal, and mussed up the bracket that holds everything together.
Basically the each entire side is held together by one bracket, located just forward of the wheel well.
The bumper is held on by six bolts, two on each aluminum crush can, and two on either side, attached with a rubber bushing to the bracket.
To get to these brackets easily, remove the forward parts of the wheel well liner. I can't remember if you have to remove the whole damn liner to do this, but if you do, use a fork from your kitchen on the plastic rivits...you'll see what I am talking about.
If the bracket is bent up, a vise and hammer will fix it. I bent mine all the hell up. I looked at the other one, went to town on it, and it fit first time.
This shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. I don't think I can seperate the files, but I will try to post the page from the workshop manual. It dosen't really matter, though, once you get the wheel wells out, you will see how it all goes together.
You'd do better to replace the bumper with an aftermarket bumper, because from the dealer, the complete bumpers are 650 dollars, which is about what an ARB costs from what I have heard. I'd get an ARB instead of a TJM, though.
Both these companies offer airbag compatible bumpers. Trek Outfitters bumper is great, it's about 300 beans more, though. It's also not airbag compatible.
Before I have to explain this a-bloody-gain, airbag bumpers are for those who more than likely WILL get into a minor on road collision, like 20mph. It keeps the airbags from deploying and giving your car a salvage title over a parking lot bump.
Non airbag bumpers are mounted solidly to the frame for off road durability, but MAY increase the risk of airbag deployment in minor on-road collisions. Off road, if your going fast enough for it to matter, you'll want it deploying anyway, cuz odds are your hitting something a little more solid than a car.
The answer lies in your priorities, off road, or on. Mine are off road. Some people's are on road.
If you bump a rock hard enough with an airbag compatible bumper, it will bend into your body work.
Also, If you think you might in the near future sell your Disco, think about this hard...A blown airbag kills your resale value.
Cheers,
Kennith |
CarlT
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:11 am: |
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Tom
Main reason for choosing the TJM was that I didn't want a Bullbar, and the ARB is just plain ugly... The TJM supposedly has less overhang the ARB as well.
The only problem I see with AirBag compatible bumpers, at least the TJM, is the lack of recovery points on the bumper. So I'll have to fabricate something on the winchtray for a rec.point.
Accidental Airbag deployment offroad does scare me a little, and I was thinking about putting in a switch for the Airbag fuse. I usually pull the SRS fuse, but I might just be paranoid....
Carl |
Kai Dussling (Kai)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:43 am: |
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After a discussion with my body shop, he said the airbag was operated by inertia and not by a switch getting pushed in. This would lead me to beleive that accidently deploying an airbag offroad by "slowly" smacking a rock or tree probably wouldn't happen. The crush cans(D2) are used to absorb the forward moving force, thus reducing the volume(?) of inertia in a small collision. I wouldn't think many offroad situations would create the forward movement that would result in that type of reduced speed/inertia loss. Anyone? Does this sound correct?
I opted for the Trek Bumper in which the aluminum crush cans are basically replaced by a steel can of the same design. Granted, the steel is stronger but it will probabaly squish just like everything else in a major accident. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:52 am: |
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Actually there are two triggers that must activate for the air bags to deploy (three if you include having the key in the ignition switched on). There is a decelerometer that has to trigger and there is a safing switch that is nothing more than a magnet with a ball bearing on it. The magnet is calibrated in such a way that the bearing will seperate from the magnet when there is a sudden loss of forward motion. I don't know how the decelerometer is calibrated. Both are located in the SRS DCU that's found in the transmission hump in the center armrest near the hand brake and both triggers need to activate for the airbag to deploy.
When it comes to having an explosive device deploy in your face I don't think you can be too safe. I've never done the fuse trick and hit some rocks with some force with no problems but next time I might just pull the fuse to be safe. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:44 am: |
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The inertia switch on a DSII is set at 30 mph. It located on the firewall nad is there to prevent premature airbag deployment. You just have to decide if you want a compatible (airbag) bumper or not. For me, the slight chance that the bags will go off prematurely was not enough to discourage me from mounting my bumper solidly to the frame. Just my opinion, though. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:55 am: |
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Greg, I think the switch you're thinking of on the firewall is the fuel cutoff switch. Not the SRS switch. The SRS switch(s) on the Disco II is in the DCU under the center armrest. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:38 pm: |
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Sorry greg, the switch may be set to 30 mph, but it is mounted to the transmission in the body control unit. It is a dumb sensor, much like Al has explained. This makes it fool proof.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:02 pm: |
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Actually the SRS sensors are in the DCU (Diagnostic and Control Unit) not BCU (Body Control Unit) located under the armrest on the transmission hump (inside the vehicle). Not on the transmission. The BCU is located behind the glove box on the inside of the front firewall. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
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OK. Thanks guys. I learn something new everyday. Sorry for the bad info. |
Durabutt
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:55 pm: |
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If anyone has installed an ARB, could you post some pics of where you drilled the hole thru the underside of the frame horns? |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 02:19 pm: |
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Yeah,
Sorry, your right. I get all that shit mixed up.
The different bumper explanations stand, though.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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Thanks for the assistance. I have decide to go with the TJM bumper.
This brought another question, will the added weight of the TJM bumper require any changes with shocks, springs, etc?
Thanks,
Tom |
Greg French
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 06:14 pm: |
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I installed a ARB. No drilling required. Real easy to do. The weight did bring my front end down, so I put in some spring spacers for now until I can convince the wife that I need new suspension. Of course, that means I have to wait until she is over the whole bumper purchase. |
Tom Hyslip (007)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 09:04 pm: |
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Greg,
How much did it bring the front end down, was it still driveable? If not, what type spacers did you get? I would like to wait on the springs, and get all new ones eventually.
Thanks,
Tom |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 09:27 pm: |
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Tom, back when I did the ARB with stock springs it was driveable and if I remember it didn't bring the front down too much. But when I put on the winch it felt very mushy and while still driveable I REALLY didn't like the feel. |
gil
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:29 pm: |
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speaking of airbags.. has anybody just ripped the damn things out? i know the passenger side can be replaced by the pre-94 nonairbag disco dash piece, and you can always get a new steering wheel. I recently saw what an airbag can do to somebody and i think ill be better off with out them. i dont know.. i was never to keen on explosions in my face. is this a bad idea? sorry for posting about airbags on a bumper thread. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:58 pm: |
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I'm not a expert but I would think that if you keep a distance and not very short, the air bags will be okay. Not to mention it may not be legal to remove them. But if given a choice of 5 point seat belts or airbags in my next car I would opt for the 5 point belts |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 09:56 am: |
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Tom, if you need spacers, send me an e-mail. |
Mark Meyer (Deadelus)
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 12:38 pm: |
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I am here to say that airbags aren't all that bad. Last year I was involved in a really bad accident, where I was blindsided by a drunk-driver, speeding the wrong way down a one way road. The only thing that saved me was the airbag, as like a dumb-ass I didn't have my seatbelt on. I took a face full of air-bag, and didn't even lose my glasses. The bag inflates and deflates so fast that you never know what hits you, until you have the acrid taste of the powder they pack the bags with in your mouth.
I walked away from the accident with only a scrape on my knee from hitting the dash, and a scrape on my arm from the bag going off. I had some back problems, but they weren't associated with the bag, but rather the side impact of the crash.
Just my $.02 |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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Sorry to hear about your accident Mark. What where you driving? Generally the front airbags shouldn't deploy if you're hit from the side. |
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