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Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:33 pm: | 
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Other than the $G bumper that sells for $2k and the Trek rear bumper that can't hold it's own weight does anyone else make a rear bumper for the Disco II? Perhaps in the price range that falls in the middle of the two. If it wasn't for Tyco, Worldcom and Enron maybe I would get a $G but I still have issues with their stuff. |
carlt
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:40 pm: |
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Al
I'm having the same issue. I know that TJM is working on one for the DII, but there is no information regarding ETA and looks. But I'll be holding of a purchase for at least a couple of months in hope that is materializes... literally.
Carl |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 07:45 pm: |
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I've been asking John at Rovertym about them for some time now. Maybe we can get enough interest to get John to make us some.
I talked to Rockware last year about it too and they said they were going to start making stuff for the Disco II perhaps in the first half of 2002 but I don't think they've started. =( |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:00 pm: |
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I'm going to make my own, I've given up on all the other solutions. I have a Disco II and after all the horror about $Gs other products, nothing could convince me that their bumper, while cool looking, is any better.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 08:15 pm: |
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Isnt Greg Davis selling bumpers like the one on the rear of his D2? |
Barry
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:44 am: |
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My Trek rear bumper was pricey for sure. But, considering my long-ass DSII departure angle, paid for itself over time. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:53 am: |
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I'm currently trying to think of a radical solution to the departure angle problem. I may do a partial bobtail, and have bumperetts, with a small bumper under the door.
My neighbor says I've lost it, and maby I have, but I hate that damn departure angle. It will be attractive, and probably expensive, but I feel I must.
The coolest thing I've seen so far was a tubular steel contraption that followed the contours of the rear end and extended out for the tire carrier. I think it's in the photo section.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:36 am: |
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Barry, the problem with the Trek is it's weak mount points not price. The stock mount points isn't made to hold that much weight. The additional support brackets don't offer much either and the Trek Bumpers will fail. They do offer more protection than the stock bumper but not much.
While I wish for a better departure angle, I can live with the big back end it's made to take some pounding. Just look at the ARB rear bumper for the classic rangie as an example. You can drag that rear end over almost anything as long as you watch the rear panel. |
BW
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:48 am: |
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I've been looking for a rear bumper solution ever since I crumpled my left rear. I have posted three or for threads on this subject.
Tom Pearson recommended Mike Aedo. I belive Mike is the one who built Tom's. Really good looking bumper. I contacted Mike about a month ago, but he did not seem interested in building more, at least not then. I think he had a lot of other projects going on, and did not want to take on another project.
I think the tubular bumper photo belongs to Marcin Gerc. He built his own expedition roof rack too.
Once I get the bumper on, I might add a couple of swing-away attachments that will carry a fuel can, jack and spare. I believe Greg Davis is working on this too. I expect his product to be top-notch judging from his previous work.
Of course, I need to re-wire my turn signals first.
BW |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 09:17 am: |
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Yes, I was selling rear bumpers, but I am taking a hiatus (sp?) from the fab business for a while. Just too many obligations at home right now. Between summer (yard work!), my wife and 14 month old daughter, and still trying to get other items built for my Rover, I just don't have the time, and it's not fair for me to take orders and then take forever to deliver. So for the time being, my bumper production is suspended. Thanks for the compliments, though. |
Kai Dussling (Kai)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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How come we haven't seen more tubular/pipe style bumpers? They "if built correctly" would probably be stronger than than square ones that are out there. Probabaly roll over terrain a little easier as well. Similar to "Ranch Hand" products but made for a Disco. Or is this style just reserved for the F-350 crowd? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:23 am: |
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Personally I don't care for the tubular designs. I think it's cheaper to build but I can't see how it would be stronger or better. Angles will generally add more strength. |
Chu
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:36 am: |
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Well, can you picture a tubular "jeep-style" bumper on a disco? I, for one, don't think it'll look too smooth.
chu |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:59 am: |
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Sorry: $G? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:03 pm: |
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$G = $afariGard = SafariGard |
Barry
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 06:47 pm: |
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Al,
The rear strut support for the Trek WAS a week point, as I found out the hard way in Moab. I simply came down a step with a bit much momentum in anticipation of making the next obstacle.
Matt at TO did drive 6hrs North to my house on a Saturday to field engineer a wider strut plate.
My bumper has since been used with confidence on more than one occasion. If you use the Trek bumper as a "slider" instead of a "basher", the unit will carry the weight of a DSII over an obstacle just fine.
To put the issue in perspective, an ARB air-bag compatible bumper will definitely flex up with a slight underside hit. In comparison a Trek rear bumper shows NO movement with a moderate rock slam.
Ultimately, the "protection" we add to our Rovers is only as useful as the finesse we apply to the go-pedal.
-Barry |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 06:50 pm: |
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Barry... I agree with the finesse approach. I wasn't aware of the redesign perhaps I'll take a second look but as I understand it still uses the two factory mount points and I really don't think they're up to the job. |
Barry
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:40 pm: |
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Al,
Yes, I would like the bumper to have more structural support. Make it even stronger with the addition of another strut at either corner. Not to difficult to fab if you think it's a priority.
Works for me as is... keeping that long quarter panel from folding in. The factory trailer hitch, and Southdown tank guard, take the brunt of "straight" departures.
-Barry |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 11:53 pm: |
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direct departures are not much of a problem if you have the rear receiver. Atleast I haven't had a problem with it. What has nailed me in the past and what I wory about in the future is the departure where one corner takes the abuse. |
Eric Pena (Evalp)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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Sorry everyone but I kinda lost the answer to this question. I just had a minor accident yesterday and my ear bumper on the right side is a bit torn up but I think its just the bumper and the small peaice above it. So what was the answer to this bumper delima? I cant see spending $1500 on a SG but I would like a good bumper to replace my stock bumper that is broke now. Would the Trek or Rovertym be ok if I use it as a slider and not a basher? how is the SG bumper, does it hold up really good? |
nadim
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:24 pm: |
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To argue for tubular bumpers.
Actually, the combination of flat steel inners and tubular outers I think are the best designs. The thing about the tubes is that you can triangulate very easily and the tube actually welds on on the whole diameter of the tube, thereby making it stronger. With trianglation, you can achieve very strong outers, and help reduce weight. and you can triangulate all you want in order for the bumper's outer not to buckle.
I'll try to post some designs of my front and rear bumpers soon.
Cheers |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 12:45 pm: |
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Eric, if you have a D2 the SG bumper is $2,000. If you don't get the skid plate as part of the bumper the bumper will rotate. I'm not sure why they even offer it without the skid. Rovertym has yet to make a rear bumper for the D2 but when John does make it I'm sure it will be a nice design if it's like his other stuff. The Trek sounds like is the only other option right now. |
gil
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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kenneth.. did u say you were going to do a partial bobtail on a series II? wouldnt that also be known as a D1? just off the series 2 and get a 99 D1 and probably save hassle and money at the same time.. |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 03:39 pm: |
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I like my DII,
The bobtail idea is speculative, I am not touching the top or door, I may do it, but I probably won't have to. I just spent a day under the disco and figured out a way to get the results I need.
I am geting a D1 bobbed for the RF Challenge, but that is in the future, I want to put a little money in my II first.
Cheers,
Kennith |
BW
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 11:13 pm: |
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Here is a setup that Rock Ware put together that uses the "nerf bar" concept for the rear bumper.
http://www.rockware.net/custom/rover.shtml
BW |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 09:51 am: |
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Al, supposedly TJM (can be seen on the EE site) will be doing a D2 rear bumper, just no announced date. Very reasonably priced. And from what you have described, perfect for your type of driving. Doesn't sound like you need a hard-core bumper. Just something better than stock. If you can wait, the TJM will probably suit you very well and should be about $500. |
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