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Ange (Orates)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:23 pm: | 
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Guys HELP ME
Call it peer group pressure or whatever but I can't take it no longer. The week has come to finally purchase a Disco which I can call my own. But please any reason's why I shouldn't get a diesel Disco.
I do know that beieng a diesel, things are much slower in the taking off from standstill area but the Diesel Disco I tried wasn't to bad.
Anything else I need to know about the diesel Donks. Any feedback would be great. By the way I'm looking at buying a 1997 TDI Auto wheather that makes any difference.
Thanks Guys. I gotta get this right. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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Ange,
There are many folks on this list who would kill for the chance at a Diesel Disco. I have never driver one, nor have I ever seen one. But if the performance is within 80% of the gas powered disco I would jump all over it. The mileage alone would be sheer heaven. I wouldn't need a disco and a commuter car.
Tom |
carlt
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 12:49 pm: |
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Ange
I'd get a diesel. Not sure where you are located, but I'm sure it isn't in North America. The fuel expense will kill you anywhere else (Gulf States not included). I'll be converting my V8 to propan/dual fuel when I bring it to Europe this winter. Only way to survive a US$5+ per gallon if I want to drive it....
Carl |
Ange (Orates)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:08 pm: |
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And now the penny has dropped. I couldn't work out why there was very little mention of Diesel to be found on Discoweb. I'm located in the state of Victoria ,Australia where the price of diesel is around .90c per litre. If my maths is correct its around $4.00 per gallon (Aussie dollar)which works out to about $8.00 US dollars when you start converting. (Don't do it. It's painful when I read how much you guys are paying for Disco's S2. They give them away.)
Now the price of Petrol here is around the same as that of Diesel in the major cities. Higher in the country area. But diesel is readily available. And with around 800km +/- coverage per tank I seriously need to consider diesel. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:12 pm: |
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The V8 is quieter, not as smelly, and has more power on the highway. The diesel is more economical, though. And, it can handle wading easier. And in low range, you should be fine off-road as far as power goes. Also, a diesel usually either runs or it doesn't, is simpler mechanically....
Mi dos centavos....
-L |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:15 pm: |
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Yeah, Discoweb is mainly US folks. Not many diesels here, dammit.
Tom |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:17 pm: |
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ange,
for practical reasons i have to say GO DIESEL!  |
Germ�n R. Gr�ner (Germán)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:05 pm: |
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Discos in Argentina are 90% TDI, and V8I´s run cheaper than diesels when converted to GNC (High presure natural gas, not LPG).
TDI´s have less problems when wadding, and they have more torque at lower RPM.
Since TDI´s have less power 112 HP than V8I´s, in our market TDI´s are preferred with manual gearbox (Not auto).
Germán |
Mr UK
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 05:53 pm: |
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UK resident and I run a 300TDI diesel. Diesel here is probable the most expensive in the world and it comes from our own North Sea Oil fields. Cost at present is 74p per litre [about 50c American per litre.] Petrol is about the same price. Our government rips us off continually!
With diesel I get approx 34 miles per gallon ... or about 8 miles per litre. It is slower from standing than petrol or V8 but compares well to a small saloon. On a motorway it goes like a train, maximum legal speed all day long. I tow a caravan but don't know its attached ... same mpg with or without the caravan.
I drive in Europe quite often where the fuel prices are much lower than UK. Most French and Spanish drivers have diesel cars.
One caution ... diesel 300TDI the engine oil must have 6000 mile oil change. |
Jake Hartley (Jake)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 11:06 pm: |
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I want a diesel engine and drivline: where can I get one? maybe you overseas guys can help me out on a private transaction. |
johntdiaus
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 04:59 am: |
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Ange
I'm in Sydney with a 97 tdi (the 300tdi motor). There is a lot of difference between a well kept 300 and a poorly kept one. I have had nothing but great time from mine ... off tomorrow on a 5000km trip west ... but you have to keep the maintenance to them. Bottom line is whatever you find get it checked by an INDEPENDANT LR specialist near where you are ... dont skimp on this. You might also get some more specific AUS info by joining the 'discodownunder' yahoo group. |
CEJB
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:17 am: |
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Ho, now that the Tdi is manufactured in Brazil, any chance you could bring in a few 2.8 liter versions? |
M. Recke (Disco_Obsession)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 08:23 am: |
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Ange, I'm ALSO IN OZ, I have a 97 V8 DISCO manual on LPG, get about 400kms to a tank, and have a small petrol tank that gives me an additional 200 kms range costs any where form $25 -$36AUD to fill,LPG 33c -45c per litre, cheap motoring considering the thirst of the V8. I don't know how this compares to diesal comsumption figures. although I originaly wanted to buy a TDI but couldn't find a 5 speed. |
M. Recke (Disco_Obsession)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 08:27 am: |
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Pardon my ignorance , but why do folks Stateside not have TDIs? Are there strict pollution regs or something???? |
Greg French
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 08:39 am: |
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How hard/legal would it be to convert my truck from gas to tdi?
Or is it not really worth it. |
Arman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 11:34 am: |
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I am really interested in the idea of putting a diesel in my disco (Canada). I would be interested if anyone knows if you can put a Cummins turbo diesel into a disco. |
OTTO
| | Posted on Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 04:00 pm: |
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I`ve got a 300TDI Diesel and never drive a V8!
But I think I`ve got enough power to hold against!
Tuning the mechanical injektionpump and closed a little bit the wastegate of the turbo ....
here are my dates:33o-340Nm by 1400 rpms and about 135PS.
I called it "BÄÄRRIG" you can translate it with "enough".
I need 10-11liters for 100km.
But theres another caution: the belt has to be changed after 100000km!!
Greatings from good old Germany!!
-OTTO- |
Ange (Orates)
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 06:21 am: |
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Guys
The response has been great. I took the liberty of driving another diesel yesterday and they do drive fantastic. Not super responsive off the mark but I was impressed. Infact it's hard to tell its a diesel, but I have decided on going for the V8 Petrol. Considering that 90% of my driving will be within the city I had better stick with the quicker V8's. But it wasn't an easy choice.
But It really is unreal how different and varied things are around the globe. Thanks for everyone response and help. Now here comes the fun part and try to find a nice ES Discovery. |
Willie Joubert (Willie)
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 05:24 pm: |
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No one seems to mention Td5, the new Disco's are Td5's. Great motor....just did a African Expedition through the desert and they are great, Had a 300Tdi and this one has more power, way more. Loaded doing about 30% bad offroading got me 8.3L/100km. Not bad. If you carry extra fuel on expeditions, this in it self is the best reason to go Diesel, not as flamable...driving with 75L of flamable stuff on the roof is risky man.
The V8 though has way more revving power, on long steep hills the diesel loses power if you fall out of turbo range, only draw back. But in sand they do very well with all the low down power.
Go Diesel... |
nadim
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 07:40 am: |
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I'd go for a diesel becuase:
1. no electrics
2. less things to go wrong
3. running cost
4. fuel cost
5. driving range
6. less spares to carry around
7. waterproofing
i think that that is enough |
Garth
| | Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 11:08 am: |
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Ange,
You did your calculations wrong. A US gallon is a tad under 4 litres (3.85?) and the AUD is worth about 55c USD. I pay 80c AUD p/l for diesel (suburban Melbourne)...which works out at about $1.80 USD per US gallon.
I owned a 300Tdi auto, which was a nice car, but the auto wasnt really mated well to the engine compared to an auto TD5.
In my TD5 manual I can usually get close to 1000km out of a tank...about $75 AUD ($40 USD) to fill.
The TD5 will keep up with city traffic well without pushing it and will comfortably cruise all day at 110kph. The only failing is that you have to plan overtaking on the open road compared to the V8. |
Brad
| | Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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The diesel that you are looking at where is it located at. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:14 am: |
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Brad,
He's in Australia..... not California....
-L |
dchrismon
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:37 am: |
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Wow this is an original post.... |
Gil Stevens (Gil)
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 03:49 am: |
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rvr ovr.. i drove the 94 camel disco(diesel) for almost 20 miles on i-95 in connecticut.. i was downright frightened!! 80% of the power of a v8?? hell no..man this thing was like 25% power of the 4.0. merging was a nitemare. accelerating was far worse.. it was 20 miles with the hazards on.. i dont know if it was a 300 tdi, something tells me it was a 200 tdi, i never looked under the hood. I got the thing to the carshow i was driving it to..parked it, and ran for my life!! i never want to see that thing again.. its alot of fun to look at, but no fun to drive on the highway with alot of traffic running at 70 mph+.... |
OTTO
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:12 am: |
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@hi Gil
On my message above you can see that i had enough power to hold against V8!!!
Doesn`t matter if it was a 3.9 or 4.0 engine.
it was very easy to tune a landy diesel!
only the speedness is less than petrolengines.
with adventure roofrack ,235/85 near to 170 km/h
on german highway.But this will be the end my friend cause of windresistens.But 160km/h will be possible in every situation.
And when you have to drive to a gasstation don`t be astonished how much "DIESEL" you need.(10-12liters for 100km)
greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
Ange (Orates)
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 11:14 am: |
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OK Guys
I am now the proud owner of my first Disco. A D1 1995 ES with the V8i and I love it. Just the right amount of get up & go to keep me pretty happy. So its not new but its still very much a disco and rather comfortable if I do say.
Thanks for all your help & advice guys. |
Patrick Hartigan (Patrick)
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 11:48 am: |
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Anyone know who Carl T is? I want to know more about the propane conversion. |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:31 pm: |
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I say screw the diesel for my climate because :
1. Stinky
2. Noisy
3. Cold outside = no start
4. SLOW as hell-too many two lane roads here you will die trying to pass
5. Too much fuel hassle in the winter
6. The dealers can't fix the V8 trucks good luck with a TDI
7. Diesel is 98% of the cost of premium unleaded here in the midwest averaged for seasonsal variations over a year |
CarlT
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 05:05 pm: |
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Patrick
I'm currently in the US so I'm still driving my V8 on gasoline. I've done a lot of investigation and no one seems to have a really good LPG conversion for the DII yet. RPI in England is still working on their sequential LPG system. I'm hoping it is near completion as I've been "waiting" for 9 months. I'll be moving back to Europe in the late fall, and I hope it is done by then.... I can't sleep at night think of gasoline prices over there.
Carl |
OTTO
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 05:14 pm: |
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@hiJE
Nr1 NO
Nr2 No(talking together,radio no problem)
Nr3 No(-25Celsius no problem)
Nr4 See posting above
Nr5 no problem with "WINTERDIESEL"
Nr6 typical american problem
Nr7 in good old europe much cheaper than petrol
OK I love my Diesel!!
graetings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
Horness Spencer (Horness)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:28 am: |
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As one of the few UK Discowebbers, I have a TDi (300 series, not the newer TD5's) Disco, and I love it.
In the UK, fuel prices are rediculous, and I just could not afford to run a petrol Disco.
I get 25 mpg round town, and this goes up to 35-40 on the motorway at a pleasant 70-80 mph.
Don't get an auto if you can help it, they are way too sluggish, my manual TDi goes pretty well, however compared to the TDi auto's, it drives like a petrol.
The newer TD5's offer more power, however they are also a little more hungry for fuel. Given the choice, I'd have waited about 3 more months, and got a TD5, as the power difference is really noticable.
Never had a problem with the cold, and as mine gets used for hunting etc. in some pretty harsh climates (-20 etc.), it's never failed me yet.
As for noise, I like the "heartbeat" of the diesel, which you soon don't notice. It is however more like farm machinary when your outside it though.
Thats just my 10 pence worth from the UK.
Good hunting
Horness |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:30 pm: |
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Otto,
I have a an ATS tuned up powerstroke diesel complete with propane injection in my 4700 SportTruck. I believe for towing or commercial applications with GVWs over 10000lbs diesels have their place. However even in a specialized towing application like mine the reality of diesels is they don't like our Minnesota cold. Here in the center of the state temps in the -30 F range are common and -45 F is not that unusual. In the northern part of the state where all the best snowmobiling is -60 F is possible. Temps like these reduce a lead acid battery to just 30% of its cranking amperage at 0 F. That loss of cranking power combined with the high static compression of a diesel, and oil stiffening means unaided diesels will not start. I use my 4700 to pull an enclosed snowmobile trailer so I have perfected what it takes to get it lit in the deep cold. When regular AC power is not available to keep the block heaters plugged in all night I have to start the generator in my trailer and power up the block heaters, the oil preheater and the battery warming pads. After 30 minutes I start circulating fuel through the block mounted filter. I then introduce exactly 6oz of ether into the intake tract cycle the glowplugs twice and it will usually fire up in two tries. Winter diesel mixes of unknown ratios are to be avoided like the plague in truly cold weather pure number one from a truck stop source that sells large quantities is the only sure bet. This means of course a 10% power loss and 15% mileage penalty versus number two though. All this hassle just isn't worth it for a transportation vehicle, hence the reason just .3% of the less than 10000lbs GVW vehicles registered in Minnesota are diesel powered. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:36 pm: |
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Well, in Minnesota, okay....
But, I can only remember twice when it made it down to -20F here on the TN-VA line, and in both cases, it was only for part of a day.... anything below -10F is very rare, and we don't even see zero that often. Diesel here runs about what mid-grade gas does, so it's cheaper than premium,by about 10 cents on the gallon usually...
Just depends on where you are, what your conditions and requirements are.....
Mi dos centavos....
-L |
Ricky Smart (Rikstaboogie)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:11 am: |
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i got a 300tdi 1995 uk. i also got a 78 classic rangie v8(the off road beast). now, if i had all the money needed i would chuck the gas guzzling v8 in the bin, install a 300tdi engine in my rangie.... extend my snorkel even higher... invest in diving gear.. and have far more fun than i do already. My v8 has given me nuttin but hassles in water, although with the use of innertubes and a shit load of ignition sealer it dont miss a beat. i'm still scared of water that is higher than my shoulder level though!!! hmmmm maybe i should install that tdi300..... |
Johannes von Rosen (Johannes)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:32 am: |
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Get a Diesel, nothin' else! |
roald
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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about the cold start we drive Laro's up north in norway temp's around -30c. no problem starting even without a pre heater
about performance here in the states (VA) i drive a 3.9V8 wich is fine but my 200TDI in holland has much more bottem torque the both do without any problem 100ml/160km/u
but fuel economy on the TDI is about 200% better than the V8 wich does 300ml/tank where the TDI gets 900km without any problem. if you heve to tow "shit" i would go diesel
roald |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:11 pm: |
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In some countries the cost of diesel fuel is 4 times cheaper than gas.
I recently drove my fathers Chevy Blazer 2.5 TD (made in Brazil) and had a ball. No smoke, little noise and very powerfull. I raced it against a Peugeot 206 and it kicked ass. Now, I am sure that the Blazer is much lighter than the Rover but it ran great.
All the Discos I saw were 2.5 TDi's and they were very quiet and smoke-free.
Just my experience..
John C. |
Ian H
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:28 am: |
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John tdiaus
have you got the address for the down under disco.
Ex vic, left Melb 4y ago travelled 1/2 of OZ done 96000km in our tdi300 auto and love it will only swap it for a td5 auto. shame l didn't your post earlier Ange l would have sold you mine so l could get a td5. Now living in QLD much warmer!
Ian H |
John N (John_Tdi_Aus)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:38 am: |
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Ian
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Discodownunder/
should do it.
John |
Ian H
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:50 am: |
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Thanks John |
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