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GRADY
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 10:07 pm: | 
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Just wondering if they work in soft beach sand, and if anyone has seen them for rent? |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 10:30 pm: |
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They work well but in soft sand you can also use your spare tire if you don't want to spend the money on a pullpal. You just need to dig a hole and attatch the cable to the spare and place the spare far from your vehicle standing in the hole you dug. Then fill the hole back and winch out. |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 10:51 pm: |
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A traditional danforth boating anchor will work as well. Basically the pull pal is a danforth anchor that is designed to fold up.
example: http://ebay0.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_3ad411a3ba61880d1e02e947c5f97850/i-1.JPG although I would look for the largest one you can find. |
Doug
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
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Aye, Matie! And 200 ft. of sinker chain. Often thought of carrying a Danforth. Makes sense. And a fraction of the cost. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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although the pull-pal is basically a Danforth anchor, being able to seperate the arm from the spade makes it much easier to stow - especially the bigger sizes. The arm fits really well behind the front seats and is really the heavy part. Almost as heavy as a highlift. The spade is much lighter and can be stowed in many places. We just don't have much extra room for stowing a complete Danforth.
Jaime |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 02:15 pm: |
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A danforth will fold up pretty well and you could even cut off the horns that stick out of the blade since you won't need that much since you're setting the anchor yourself. That is if you want to use an anchor.  |
Barry
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 06:20 pm: |
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Most of us carry a Hi-Lift. Why not fabricate a spade attachment? Any structural engineers lurking about?
-Barry |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 07:20 pm: |
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Barry I love the idea! I would probably buy one. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 07:29 pm: |
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LOL |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 08:42 pm: |
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Ho,
I'm serious. |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 08:44 pm: |
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Hey Kyle, If you make me one, I'll trade you my sand ladders for it. |
Lance
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:05 pm: |
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I would make the danforth anchor before I bought a pullpal. They fold up pretty flat and compact. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:10 pm: |
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Both will fold pretty flat. But I think the pullpal will dig in better. The only drawback is digging the thing out. They are a real PITA to get out. A danforth would need to have it's "horns" cut to get a deep bite. Since I'm on the east coast the only place I would need any kind of anchor is for driving on the beach and I would rather just dig a hole for my spare. I did use a PullPal in UT on some BLM land with no trees for miles. We got high centered getting out of a wash and the pullpall saved us. I don't know if a danforth would have worked as well but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't either. |
Ed H
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:30 pm: |
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Mike(D1) has a aftermarket attachement that attaches to the Hi-lift to make it works like a pullpal.
Lance, talk with Mike and make one for me. I will buy it. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:41 pm: |
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Although Neal is right. He is also wrong. The pull pal design is not only for storage but also for deep digging, the arm that the blade is on is long so that the blade can burrow down and the other beam stays above ground where you need it for your anchor. The other anchor will pull you out of a small stuck but not a bad one. It just wont have enough bite in the realestate to do so...
On the pull pals behalf. I tried to break mine in the barrens a few years ago just to see if the damn thing was all that the hype had made it out to be. Well , I stalled the RE and bent the main beam on the pull pal but I could not break it. Thats the only time that I have stalled that winch (We put the truck into an impossible situation for winching forward) and it gave me a high degree of respect for the ole pull pal... It does what its supposed to and that cant be said for every product that comes down the pike these days. Certainly worth the money if you ever need it just once.. I am not saying other anchors wont work , just saying that the geometry of the things you are talking about is all wrong for deep digging... The deeper it digs the better the hold..
Kyle |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:08 pm: |
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that is a very interesting point as with anchors on a boat, the scope is very long so the force on anchor isn't really that great. it doesn't have to burrow down that deep to hold. of course it does make for some sleepless nights if the wind picks up and one wonders if there is enough scope out there to hold.
Jaime |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:20 pm: |
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Having enough scope in an anchor is to cause side-ways pulling force instread of upward pulling force. The longer the scope the flatter the pull which causes the anchor to dig deep.
In boating courses you are taught to calculate how much scope based on how deep the water is not on how hard the wind is blowing.
I agree with Kyle that the Pull-Pal is geometrically designed better. However I think that there are very few situations where the advantages of a pull pal would more useful.
In Grady's case, who needs an anchor temperarly, I believe he could get away with a danforth. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 12:03 am: |
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sideways pulling force???
and why do you think one needs to know the length of scope based on water depth??
so the force cranking on a stuck heavily loaded LR up a hill is less than that on a floating vessel??
in Grady's case - there could be various solutions. no doubt burying a spare tire might work, yet, digging a hole deep enough to make it work as suggested above - just throw me into the hole as you throw on the sand and call it a day.
yeah, when needed say like above timberline, it might prove its worth.
Jaime |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 01:06 am: |
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Blueboy,
"sideways pulling force???"
A danforth anchor is designed to be drug SIDEWAYS in order for it to dig in. If you do not have enough scope and pull the anchor from above, you will simply lift it from the bottom.
"so the force cranking on a stuck heavily loaded LR up a hill is less than that on a floating vessel??"
My answer is yes. My old sailboat, a 30ft Grampian, weights over 9000 pounds empty. One good pop of the line caused by a sudden and strong wind shift can exert a lot of force. The reason the anchor stays put is becasue the anchor is the proper weight/size for my boat (an has proper scope).
There are many boats even larger than my old Grampian that can exert fores greater than a weighed down rover going up hill. They simply have a proper sized anchor. The key words are "proper sized anchor". If you have one large enough, it will withstand a calculated pulling force- regarless if it's a rover on the end. |
Grady Huber (Grady)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 02:31 am: |
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Just wondering if this type of anchor would work better than a Danforth?
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Jeff Price
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 06:30 pm: |
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Actually the Pull Pal is more of a plow anchor than a Danforth.
The anchor in the picture above is also a form of plow anchor.
Any M113 drivers on the board?? There was actually a self-recovery kit for the 113 that consisted of a pair of Danforth anchors, some cable, and a pair of drums that were permanently attached to the front drive wheels to pull on the cable. The drum had a split in it to hook the cable, put it in drive, and pull away.
I have been thinking that a pair smallish Danforth's and a short length of chain would make a pretty good self recovery kit.
-jeff |
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