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tenacstud
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 03:27 pm: | 
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Does anyone know if they offer a locker for Discos? I emailed them but they didnt respond. They look pretty cool. |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 03:42 pm: |
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Not yet. I have seen them in action on my buddy's jeep and am not thrilled. It constantly pops out of lock. He had it replaced and has the same issue with the second one.
On another jeep, it works just fine, so who knows? Sounds like a consistency issue.
Tom |
Neal Glessner (Nealg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 07:40 pm: |
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Pay attention to the warning flags.. If they don't reply whey you want to buy something, they won't reply if you have a problem. |
nadim
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 02:52 am: |
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IMHO...
I prefer having the ARBs, since I can use the pump for other things. Moreover, I have installed the ARB in a very miticulous manner (thanks to some serious help), so I do not expect it to leak/pop open/or anything else.
However, everything other than a spool may be inconsistent. I even saw a friend's Dana 60 pop a Detroit Locker...one never knows. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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FWIW, no matter how meticulously you install an ARB, you cant stop a seal somewhere from blowing, usually it happens in the pump. Or, you may snag an air line. Because of the way it operates, the ARB is very unreliable. Now there is really only one way for the detroit to break, and thats the diff itself breaking, which is much less likely than blowing a seal or air line.... |
nadim
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:37 am: |
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Ok...
That is very true, and it is quite unquestionable, but I would prefer putting the extra 1 hour per month on ARB maintenance in order for it not to fail when I want, than to go around inan automatic locker all the time, or a limited slip.
The simple fact that until today, the ARB is the choice for competitors and the likes, keeps me happy with it. The minute they get something better, cool.
Cheers... |
disco
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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search for great basin rovers and buy yourself a cable locker..and be sure to upgrade the axles..
rover axles just plain suck and arn't meant for the job..
the guy at great basin is really the expert on such issues...after all he is from out of town..
disco |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 02:29 pm: |
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Quote:FWIW, no matter how meticulously you install an ARB, you cant stop a seal somewhere from blowing, usually it happens in the pump. Or, you may snag an air line. Because of the way it operates, the ARB is very unreliable. Now there is really only one way for the detroit to break, and thats the diff itself breaking, which is much less likely than blowing a seal or air line....
do you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about?! |
p m
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:03 pm: |
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are you saying that ARBs never leak?
most people i've come across with ARB had air leaks, in one place or another.
peter |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:24 pm: |
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No, I'm asking if Will has any idea what the fuck he's talking about. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:29 pm: |
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yea i think i do(lol) but the seals DO blow eventually. why do you ask? |
disco
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:32 pm: |
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sure he (WILL) does..i've seen the seals go in the pumps and i've seen sand that gets in the airlines preventing lock-up, in my opinion any air locker is really a waste of money when compared to the reliability of a solid cable lock..
hey blue sounds like you just bought something becasue everybody else was with out doing some real research as to the possibilities |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:44 pm: |
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yeah, "disco", you nailed that one. come clean, disco, you're really undercover perrone...
Nothing personal Will, I just don't understand everyone's fear of ARB. Although I guess I can understand your point of view since your ARB failed you. Glad to hear that your Detroit locker is working well for you, though. Sounds like "disco" has also changed out his ARB for a Detroit just like you did. Will/disco, did the ARB for DL swap take you long to do? I'm thinking of doing it myself, and I'd appreciate some pointers...
Detroit's are indeed some good shit, but I still have to call bullshit on this statement:
"Now there is really only one way for the detroit to break, and thats the diff itself breaking, which is much less likely than blowing a seal or air line...."
If you really think that a diff breaking is less likely than blowing a seal or airline, you may have some nasty surprises in store for you down the trail. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 03:49 pm: |
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Blue, i didnt used to have ARBs, just the rear detroit. Maybe my detroit will break...maybe not. But i the only locker failure i have seen (personally) was with an ARB, and was related to air supply issues.
I dont have a fear of ARB, and thats probably what i will do for my front locker when i get decide to. |
disco
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 04:34 pm: |
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sorry i'm not perrone either..he's always willing to give his name out and get slamed by everybody for doing it..
and no i never even thought about the air lockers...
it always seemed like a stupid idea
air supplying the lock up...
whats really nice is the hydrolic lock up in the G...but still not as nice as a solid cable..the only disadvantage i can see is potential cable bind, but keeping oil in there you should be fine..
call up bill at great basin and check out the cable lockers
then you have a switchable locker with out the problems of ARB and the situations of the Detroit..
i'm locked front and rear |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:06 pm: |
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can't argue the simplicity of pulling a cable. if I ever bought a locker, that's probably what I'd go for too. and if enough people start buying them, then I'll just jump on that bandwagon because I'm more into trends than research. LOL |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:24 pm: |
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Blue, you already have a rear ARB locker dont you? |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:27 pm: |
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yes |
disco
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:32 pm: |
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thats why you have a disco right!!!! |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:35 pm: |
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no, that's why your name is disco!!!!
I have ARB rear but I didn't buy it. Previous owner did. When the goin gets tough, I just push me the magic button and keep on truckin. |
Greg Bright (Gregd2)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:46 pm: |
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Will and Disco,
You crack me up. You're both trashing a product you've never even owned. Will, you say they're very unreliable, how many have you had fail? You make yourselves look like experts with all this talk and you've never even owned the product, but you "knew this guy" that had problems with one so now ARB's are shit! Whatever!
I've had two ARB's and never had any problems with them once they were set up right. I ran them for almost 4 years with no problems. I had one air leak right after they were installed because the installation was done poorly, after that, never a problem. Once my D2 is out of warranty, I'm putting ARB's in it too.
Nadim, keep running the ARB's, they're good lockers. Will and Disco, you're full of shit.
Greg Bright |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:52 pm: |
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Greg,
First off,
I wasnt trashing it, just saying the way it operates is unreliable. I even said i plan on a front ARB.
Second,
no offense, but Take it easy! we were just stating our opinions, which we are entitled to. Its just a little thread about which locker is better, and everyone one has stated his or her opinion. How come when i state mine i get all this crap?
Thanks,
Will Roeder |
Greg Bright (Gregd2)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:14 pm: |
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Well Will,
If you quit making blanket statements about ALL ARB lockers being very unreliable maybe you won't get jumped on. Come on man, you said that no matter how you install an ARB, it is going to fail. Well, that's bull shit, you don't know that. You've heard people before say that ARB's are unreliable, and since whatever someone says on the net is true, you spread it around like you know what you're talking about. Once again, I ask you, how many have you owned that failed?
I'm not saying that ARB's don't fail sometimes, but I am saying that there are a lot of ARB's that have been working well for a lot of people for a long time. I just get tired of people making blanket statements about ARB's when they haven't used them.
Greg Bright |
p m
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:24 pm: |
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Greg,
don't you think you're just a bit on a lucky side?
i can also say that i have never seen of heard of a hair dryer to break down, but what are the implications?
one would be that all hair dryers are super reliable.
another - that i have never used one.
peter |
p m
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:29 pm: |
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Will, same goes for a Detroit.
if you break an axleshaft, your detroit has a chance to blow apart, which will make it an expensive breakage. i broke an axleshaft with a POS EZ Locker (super cheap version of a detroit), and the EZ stood up to it without any problems (but it was untolerable on the street, so out it went).
until i pay off my disco, truetracs will have to do.
peter |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:34 pm: |
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I agree, Greg. That's the point I was getting at. I didn't install this ARB in my Rover, so as far as I know some insane moron put it in. I've never done anything as far as maintenance is concerned, other than having a look-see at the compressor, lines, etc every now and then. I can power up the compressor and it will hold air for days. No leaks. I did take the Disco to a 4X4 shop when I bought it and asked them to give the ARB the once-over. They asked what the hell for - it's an ARB, don't worry about it. Only problem I've had is power connections vibrating loose from washboards - simply popped the leads back on and "problem" fixed.
But from what I've heard, it's inevitable that this ARB will fail me and thousands will perish as a result. LOL Still, from a simplicity standpoint, I'd prefer a cable locker (I want control over locking unlike the DL). But it's not because there's anything wrong with the ARB system. |
Greg Bright (Gregd2)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:37 pm: |
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Well PM,
I don't know what kind of hair dryer you use, so I can't really answer that one. But, no I don't think I was lucky, I just think that ARB's performance is often over-exagerated by people that never ran them in the first place. I'm also not saying that ARB's don't fail, but I don't think it's as much as people like to make it out to be.
Why don't you ask Bill Davis @ GBR how many ARB's he's had fail. I bet you, it's not as many as you like to make people think.
Greg Bright |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:38 pm: |
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luck has nothing to do with it. that's like saying aren't you a bit lucky that the air stays in your tires. or aren't you lucky that your steering wheel worked today. or aren't you lucky that your last tank of gas was flammable.
now me, I don't use a hair dryer either...every morning I sit under one of those half-dome hairstylist thingies. |
Greg Bright (Gregd2)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:51 pm: |
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Blue,
Yeah, that's the biggest thing for me too, I want the control of locking when I need em. If this wasn't my daily driver, I would maybe use a DL, but on the road I just don't like being locked all the time.
Greg Bright |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:59 pm: |
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hehe, yeah, go with the ARB man. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 07:08 pm: |
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shuddup Ho
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Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 07:16 pm: |
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oh no, ARB blows, go with the TT. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 07:19 pm: |
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screw that, I'm going with a VW Tourage |
g
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:37 pm: |
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better yet go with the G |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:59 pm: |
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Well, nice discussion boyz...
All ARBs will fail because the seals used are not oilproof but oil resistant and eventually get eaten by the gear oil. Add normal wear and tear and they should fail eventually, no? I wouldn't know, I don't have one. The 5 that I know all leak but I think some leak at the compressor/lines rather than through the seals on the unit itself.
The Detroit will also eventually wear and fail. The DL teeth get worn when ratcheting, so they should fail eventually, no? I wouldn't know. I don't have one. The 3 I have tried and the few more I have seen all clunked a lot and so I would not want one - well except the one behind the auto box. All 3 I tried and all the few more I have seen seemed to work.
Isn't it a fair assumption that everything eventually fails at one point or another.
My point is, it becomes a question of how long you think the darn thing is gonna last and will it fail before you get rid of it or the truck or before you preform maintenance or change the part for some other one. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:45 pm: |
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Well Milan , alot of car makers put the detroits in the housings in the 70s as the car was rolling off the line. Some of which are still kicking (I have one) and certainly lived harder lives then behind a Disco engine...  www.discoweb.org/track1.mpg (Not for the bandwith challenged)
You should see what heppens when you do that with an ARB and it comes unlocked....
Kyle |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:13 pm: |
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Haha. Like I said, it's a matter of how long before it fails. Now it may just be that the DL will last twice as long (or more) as ARB. But really, I'm not biased. I feel the ARB is an excellent unit. Just not my cup of tea. |
Ron
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:51 pm: |
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Eaton rear and a factory "no spin" aka detroit circa 1969 C30 chevy
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Rover axle and an ARB
humm, tough one.
Ron |
nadim
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 04:12 am: |
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(adding fuel to the fire)
People here are bashing the ARBs because of poor installation and human error. Then you all agree with me that certain, no, "certain" '94 Discos were very poorly assembled, resulting in peeling dashes, rust...bla bla bla...does this mean "all" Discos are bad? Certainly NOT, since 99% of us here own, wheel, and cherish at least one.
I would take an ARB any day than settle for an automatic/LSD. I have seen how difficult it is to drive with these on certain terrain. The ONLY drawback for the ARB is the installation and 1hr/month maintenance. Do that right, and you're good to go, on the road, snow, ice, sideslopes...wherever...How many people do NOT run ARBs in the Aus./Warn/Bulldog/Rain Forest Challenges?...If it can handle that amount of torture, then It will handle my weekly torture.
Mind you, the minute some other locker comes in that has ALL the ARB benefits + more, then I might consider it. 'Til then, 'psst', and 'grrrrrr' is what I'll be hearing... |
Kyle
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Nadim , no one is telling you that you should get rid of your ARB. I am just telling you that they are unreliable.... Surely you can agree to that..
Kyle |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:12 am: |
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I love hearing people bash ARB's...then I know they are just full of shit
I own right now 2 ARB's both living good lifes at the bad end of over 500ft lbs of torque with 72 to 1 gear reduction and 35" tires.
I beat the fucking piss outa them all the time grabbing lock when I want. dropping the truck off ledges onto 1 tire sending all the torque to one overly aired down unslippable tire .still no failures?
if they suck so bad how come they have been in the truck since 1993 without problems?
I did snap both cross pinions in a D44 ARB once back in 1989 but that was one of the early units that they have since enlarged the cross shafts in.
if you do a good job installing the ARB they will do a good job for you no doubt!
detroits dont break very often either ,they have made millions of them and no little disco is gonna tear them up so run what ya want guys
I like grape popsicles they are way better then cherry |
Greg Davis
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My wife has had two hairdryers quit working. All hairdryers suck!
Seriously though, I'm going with a Detroit and a Tru-Trac (installing this weekend  )for simplicitie's sake. Besides, it's just one less thing (flipping switches) for me to have to remeber when I'm on the trail. |
disco
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:41 am: |
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its really not the locker its self that is the 'potential problem' but rather the seals around the pump and the potential that sand and other dirt can filter thru the airlines and block the locker..
certianly a switchable locker makes more sence and following that a cable or a hyrdrolic locker is far superior to the ARB air locker. Its alot easier to keep oil around the cable or bleed the hrydrolic system than trace an airleak. I know from talking with a few G wagen guys that the G wagen locker system actually breaks from not enough use and it is virtually main free...the air lockers don't seem all the reliable in theory espcially at the cost compared to the other alternatives..esp a cable locker...the det locker would effect around the town driving to much. and there are times when it is better to just use the front, or the rear and not both at the same time. |
Kyle
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500 Ft pounds of torque Musky ??? LOL Now we are getting into some bull shitting.... Break that down for me a little better would ya..
Also ,buy the BE vid. There is a guy working on an ARB saying that he never has problems and infact , saying that (While wrenching on the compressor) he doesnt currently have a problem with it. There is not one single person that I know with an ARB (Including myself) that hasnt had issues ... Not saying that there arent some people out there. Just saying that in the small control group I see , the detroit is superior... Now if you wanna say. "The ARB is a nice unit and it adds selectability to the truck that I like , I sacrafice some reliability to have those options" well , I cant argue with you then....
Kyle
(Locker debates are almost as fun as winches |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:18 am: |
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that sand in the lines shit is just a buncha shit
i have had mine at silver lake Mighigan sand dunes with so much sand everywhere it took forever to get it out and still none found its way into the pump outa the pump into the tank past the line traps and into the selonoids then outa the selonoids down the line past the oil seapage and into the locker?
big trucks use air to run brakes lockers hi/low range axles ect ect...
air is reliable you are sadly confused
ARB has been selling lockers in australia on comercial trucks for 25 years
if you dont maintain any piece of equipment it will give you problems, to knock ARB is such total bullshit. just petty my locker is better then your locker bullshit
you can hear what you want from where you want all i can tell you is a manual locker beats a auto locker in all kinds of real world use.
ARB builds the worlds best most tested manual locker out there for the recreational 4x4 market.
the rest is all rederic and bullshit |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:40 am: |
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kyle,
yes 500ft lbs of torque
actually it rated 513 ft pounds at 2300 with a max of 545 at 3400
the motor is a 414 ci ag series IH motor , we took a 392 and poked and stroked it to 414
the ag series blockes are 18%nicle and cool real nice
it uses 100% IH parts except the cam and valves
and yes its not in my disco
but as far as issues go kyle, I have lots of friends that have had issues with there ARB's
almost all of them where caused by crappy installs or less then prudent use.
some guys running them in shitting housings such as the AMC 20 in the rear of jeeps have all kinds of seal problems due to flexing the housings.and in those applications I'd say not worth it.
but in a multi tast truck such as a disco having a pair of ARBs not only adds to the truck it dosent take anything away. and that is sometimes more important.
i know guys say they do it ,but ice and detroits dont mix. yes you can do it but I would never choose a full locker to drive the 800 miles round trip to upper mighigan for a skiing weekend. It would make the skiing anti-climatic.
so i guess its
grape popsicles
ARB air lockers
MileMarker winches
Bass Ale
10 day vacations
for me |
disco
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:46 am: |
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i agree a manual locker is "better" than an auto locker...and a cable locker or hydrolic locker beats the air locker...
great you got lucky at the michigian dunes...
i know they don't run air lockers in the paris dakar which is all sand all the time..
if somebody is spending the money on a locker then i think the cable locker is a better value because there is less to go wrong with it. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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"i agree a manual locker is "better" than an auto locker...and a cable locker or hydrolic locker beats the air locker..."
then why arent they selling as many as ARB? I have seen only 2 ox lockers both guys said it had popped out at inoportune times?
"great you got lucky at the michigian dunes..."
not a matter of luck I set the truck up to be used and abused with minimal down time,the truck has been just that since I built it in 1993
"i know they don't run air lockers in the paris dakar which is all sand all the time.."
dont bet on it...ARB sells units to race teams all over the place...more likely there have been ARB's at ParisDakar then not
"if somebody is spending the money on a locker then i think the cable locker is a better value because there is less to go wrong with it."
well then go buy one and use it for 50k or so and report back...the aftermarket cable locker has a long road ahead before its as proven as an ARB.
and dont think cables dont fail. they melt they rust they stick half way engaged causing parts to fail from underengagement. why do you think the likes of western snowplow have been engineering them out of there products for 20 years?
you know what Disco the grass is truley greener on the otrher side of the fence....because they feed it bullshit over there |
disco
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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i just love all the rednecks that end up buying land rovers... |
Kyle
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Yes that is the engine rating on a Dyno (Lie detector) on a hard pull. So thats the rating under full throttle with the tires not spinning at all.. Now again , you sure you are applying that much ??? And if you are,,,,,that brings up about a million more questions....
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 12:15 pm: |
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Disco , easy there big fella , you are an Annon hiding behind a handle and our policy is clear on that..... YOu wanna talk some smack then use your name.... Its just that easy...
Kyle |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 12:39 pm: |
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kyle
i never have had it full throttle without having the tires turn?
i agree that those are really only baseline numbers. I was really just sorting out the crossover pipe in the exhaust and the ignition when it was on the dyno. the truck has never been about proving anything just about going where I want.
but as far as torque goes the IH motors make it like crazy and this one was set up just for off idle torque for trail riding.
Disco...I'm from wisconsin originally so that makes me a Cheese head not a red neck.
thom mathie...aka...muskyman |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 01:16 pm: |
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So in reality Musky , how much of that engine torque are you applying to that ARB ?
This Detroit( www.discoweb.org/track4.mpg ) has been carrying the mail in the fastest production Mustang ever made since long before the ARB even existed........ And its taking all the heat the engine can give it.....
Kyle |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 01:48 pm: |
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Muskyman,
not that i am a big fan of automatic lockers, but i've had no problems going up a very twisted and steep mountain highway (33miles), upper half of which was iced over, with people scrambling to get off the sides of the road. yes, it was a slow go, not I75 north of Auburn Hills, but in the conditions you describe the I75 is all but shut from all the idiots skidding around. I don't know, maybe you're coming from WI side and people know how to drive better, but if the highway is iced over, you aren't going anywhere fast, locker or not.
what i don't like about arb or any other switchable locker, is that i don't know when they crap out on me. (i used to think)i can predict when to lift a foot off the throttle not to snap an axle with an automatic locker, avoiding potentially ugly consequences; the arb is somewhat like my jeep's quadratrac CDL - you think it's there while it's not.
it's a decision everyone makes for himself (or herself) - i'm not taking my disco to Johnson valley anytime soon, so it'll have to live with 2 truetracs. the jeep's another matter...
peter |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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so, Kyle, the point is that I should opt for detroit instead of arb when I convert my Disco to a drag queen? |
p m
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Blue, are you coming to SoCal anytime soon?
I could show you a few places where you could keep your cool with a detroit a bit longer.
(being a truetracked chicken, i'd stay at the bottom taking pictures)
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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No Blue , the point is that ARB hasnt even gotten started on the Road to prove it self if you are wanting to compare it to a detroit... Its a silly arguement....
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 02:52 pm: |
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silly indeed |
Greg Bright (Gregd2)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 03:01 pm: |
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I don't think the argument is that the Detroit is better than an ARB, the real argument is that people are spreading a bunch of bull shit about ARB's just because of what they heard. I've never said the ARB is "better" than the DL. But, I am saying that the ARB is not as unreliable as people like to make them out to be. I've had very good luck with ARB and because of that, I am a big fan of their lockers.
One thing that made mine more dependable was the way the shop installed them for me. They did something that ECR does, they used a fitting with a 90 in it so the line ran parallel with the brake line on the axle. This let the air line run directly to the frame zip tied to the brake line the whole way. I never had one problem with the lines after that.
But my type of wheeling may be different than others. I don't have any sand near me, it's mud and rock, but in the summer it's still very dusty. And Disco, if you're that worried about sand inside the system, put the compressor inside the vehicle where it doesn't get so dirty.
I will say that there are more things that can go wrong with an ARB compared to a Detroit, but because of the selectability, I'm willing to deal with problems that may come up. Although, I am kind of curious of all the people that have had problems with ARB's, I wonder how many of them had proper installations done on them.
I just think for a lot of weekend warriors out there, the ARB can really make a daily driver vehicle kick a lot of ass with the simple push of a button.
Greg Bright |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 03:53 pm: |
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FWIW....my detroit has NOT made my disco any less streetable. I think it has clunked once since ive had it. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 04:03 pm: |
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forgot to mention that my ARB compressor is mounted inside the cab - it's behind the passenger side storage bin in the rear cargo area. I don't like the idea of mounting it in the engine bay. In my opinion, the heat, splashed water & mud, dust, and various oils and other fluids flying around in there would negatively affect the life of the unit. Another plus is the fact that the air line has a much shorter run to the rear diff. A negative is the fact that the electrical lines have a much longer run to the dash, but they all run inside the cab so exterior wear & tear isn't a factor.
ARB me ASAP |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 05:16 pm: |
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And mine arent run at all Blue,,,,thats the point. Everyone can talk about installs and eviroment and each time you are proving my point over and over again. A detroit doesnt have that part... Therefore that part (The one thats more prone to failure) Simply cannot fail.... ITS NOT THERE !!!! THick headed people...lol
Kyle |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 05:51 pm: |
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kyle
when I am pulling the sled at the local pull contest with both of my lockers locked my tranfercase in low and the motor ripping full throttle at 3000 rpm I bet I am putting more torque into my ARB then any 2500 lb mustang ever could
when I lock just the rear locker and drag race guys on the street buy dropping the clutch at 3500 nearly pulling one front tire off the ground I am sure I am sending a bunch of power threw the ARB
my buddy has a D60 in the back of his 540ci 750hp cuda with a ARB and it runs 10 second quarters with no breakage.
in my scout I have a 12.5 loadstar truck clutch that does not slip its an on /off switch if ever there was one
so why would I not be transfering all my torque as you say?
untill I built the D60 rear I could truley twist an axle any time I wanted, the axles failed by either shattering all togather or twisting round and round till they let go soft as butter.
peter,
I have been driving ice covered roads longer then I can remember. I ice raced and snow/ice rallied for years as a member of a car club.I plowed snow for a living. there is no way you will ever convince me that lockers work as well as opens on snow and ice. you are just plain wrong. i'm not talking about driving up one MT. road. I am talking about 5 and 6 hour stints on a daily basis over roads that freeze in november and melt in april. when the roads get buffed shiny you want a simple 4wd with 50/50 power split and open diffs at both ends. thats what works best.
once again for clarity...I am not comparing the ARB to a Detroit both are very stout and tops in there own catagory.
but if anyone cares ARB air lockers are not as bad as this forum makes them out to be. just dont use the crap blue plastic lines,use moisture/particulate traps up from the selonoids and take some time mounting the pump in a good spot and you will be very happy.
and wheeling till your stuck in open then pushing a button and driving out really is a cool stunt when you have a new wheeler aboard. |
james
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 07:03 pm: |
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I just purchased an ARB for the rear today based on my need. My girlfriend's family has 4 trucks with ARB and have not had a SINGLE problem with any part of the ARB and two of the trucks have had them for over 5 years. You all can debate for days. On the trail, action speaks louder than words. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 07:35 pm: |
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Yea, that ARB will speak real loud on the trai when it goes PSSSST.....LOL ;) |
muskyman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 07:45 pm: |
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the beat goes on |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:28 pm: |
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Muskyman,
the gentle 29 years of my life were spent living at 56 deg north, and highways aren't plowed the moment the first snowflake falls down (more like a week later, after truckers make it into solid ice). so it's not that there's only one particular 15-mile iced over spot i've seen.
i'm not saying that there's no difference between a detroited or open axle on the ice, i'm saying that i could live with it even if i faced ice on a daily basis.
once again, everyone draws a line between the streetability of his rig and off road action. on the street, i'd much prefer ARB. off road, detroit with no doubts. if i have to combine both in one 7ft tall truck with 100" of wheelbase and about 65" of track width, i won't take either.
peter |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:53 pm: |
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Mustang weighs 3600 pounds and I venture to say that you have no idea what strain on a diff is. When you start wringing 9" pinions in half come and talk to me.... Everyone thinks they have a monster,,,,lol I have a Bronco 2 that wont almost yank a front tire , it WILL yank both , does it have 500 Ft Pounds of torque ? Hell NO , just a mild 289 with 51 heads and a set of 373s. The bronco will only run mid 14s as well.... So no , I still dont think you are actually aplying that much to it. Until a vehicle hooks 100% behind ALOT of power , you just dont realize how much shit is going on. But that isnt what we were talking about. What I am talking about is that the car in those clips is running a diff thats,,,Hmmmmmmm , 32 freaking years old !!!!! Tell me about the ARB when one lives that long without failure....... And its common place for the old detroits. There are still many many of them pounding the pavement behind some monster that will stop your heart....
I have said over and over that I like what the ARB does (When its working). If I felt the need for a 100% locked front end I would more then likely put one in there. But a limited slip that works 100% of the time is better then a full locker that may or may not decide to work any day...
Oh , and Musky , this forum is hard on ARBs cause many in this forum have suffered ARB failure.. And no its not instalation , its component failure..... I believe the diff itself is a good unit , its built well. BUT , air and electric , it just aint cool...Its down right unatural..
Kyle |
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