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joe novak
| | Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 11:00 pm: | 
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i recently installed bfg mud terrain 265/75's, ome coils and shocks to my 98 series 1 discovery. i've trimmed the rear fenders and cut down/off most of the front spoiler and bumper plastic.
the added clearance is great for the mountains, but i'm still rubbing (more on the drivers side than the passenger?) on some of the more funky angles.
i'm wondering about adding in 2" spacers, but am concerned about the added angle on the drive shaft.
i also read about a 2" body lift from rovertym.
does anyone have suggestions? |
hendrik
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:57 am: |
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I would say, another 2" lift under the springs would be too much. It´s not only the vibrations but the steering characteristics that matters.
Body lifts are seldom done. But I think this is because more work is involved though it makes much sense to me (keeping the centre of gravity as low as possible). I want to do a body lift to my RRC, but only by 1" adn haven´t proceeded yet so cannot tell from experience.
Keeping the tires away from the bodywork could be achieved by longer bumpstops aswell. But probably out of question for you as it would reduce suspension flex. |
joe novak
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:49 pm: |
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thanks hendrik.
i'm onboard with your thoughts on the bump stops, but would miss those added flex.
i know that rovertym has a body lift kit. are you familar with this? |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:57 pm: |
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does any one know of a 1 inch body lift? i like rovertyms 2 body lift, but i only want about 1 more inch of lift since i already have 3 inch RTE springs. |
Mike J. (Mudd)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:43 pm: |
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Spacers would be a lot easier. Mike J. |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:57 pm: |
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yea but i dont want to raise my center of gravity if possible. I could easily do spacers but dont want to go that route yet.
Will |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:50 pm: |
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lol , this whole C of G thing with body lifts is cracking me up. Do you really think that for all the hastle you created that you really saved that much ? You are spring lifted already so I am guessing its not as big of a benefit as everyone is thinking.
Kyle |
Mike B.
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:48 pm: |
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The advantage of a body lift is that it does NOT change your driveline angles. Only the body is raised, not the engine, trnasmission, or transfer case. That also means that it is not as bad at changing the center of gravity as much as adding spacers under your springs.
I'd feel pretty comfortable going with anything that RoverTym makes. If John sells it, you can pretty much count on it working as advertised.
Having said that, I'm not a big fan of body lifts. Personally, I'd try trimming a bit more.
Thanks,
Mike B. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:25 pm: |
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Its a body lift , I dont care if the Pope makes it. Its a cheesy ass lift... And it changes the geometry on far more things then a spring lift does...
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 10:57 pm: |
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I hear there was a body lift on that Range Rover with the bullet proof bubble the Pope used to tool around in.
Tom |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 10:59 pm: |
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Scary,,,,,
Kyle |
RVR OVR (Tom)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:19 pm: |
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Here it is....somehow I remember a round bubble.
http://www.comcen.com.au/~blumx/Lrov13a.jpg
Anyway, on the question of body lifts, just do it. If no like, take it off. They are cheap enough, you are mainly out the time.
Will - I think RTE will make a 1" body lift if you ask nicely.
Personally, I am going to see if I can fit my tires using other methods, with that as a last resort, or if it comes to that simply go with smaller tires and leave it alone.
Tom |
Clif Ashley (Cta586)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:59 am: |
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Other than the cheese factor... what are the disadvantages of the body lift? I am not looking at doing it, but the general concensus is so negative, and I am unaware of the reason...? |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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yeah, i dont know why either. once you go above 2-2.5" you are bound to get vib's in 90% of the trucks.
so why not lift 2" with Old Man Emu springs and get an RTE 2" body lift and get a nice beefy looking lift without the damn drivetrain vib's.
rd |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:22 am: |
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I happen to like the body lift. But, then I'm looking at it as an alternative to 7 inch lift springs  |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:27 am: |
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The components of your truck are engineered and tested to work inside certain parameters. When you lift the body you now change the geometry of so many of these things. You probably wont see the affects of it over night but down the road items wont last as long as they would have had you not done it. Yes the same gos for a spring lift but lets face it. The affected components are fairly limited. Your lift ends at the drive shaft. With the body lift you have steering rods ,shifting linkage, wire harnesses,,,,on and on and on. That have been moved outside of the way they were designed to fit and work in the truck. THis will come back on ya down the road in little slices here and there. I know about 50 people are gonna chime in and say they have a body lift for like 50 years with no issues but most of them have long forgotten what issues are really. An issue in my truck is a squeak or a rattle. An issue for that crowd would be a shifter breaking off because of the added length and leverage....
Kyle |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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kyle makes good points and let me add one lil component that has not been discussed and that is the radiator. once the body is lifted the radiator goes with it. this can be corrected but the air channels created by the hole in the front grill wont match up. on a cj, proberly the most commonly body lifted vehicle in known history it can be easily corrected, howeva, on the mighty disco (IMHO)i dont see an easy fix. altho i havnt looked at the actual pieces of the rovertym body lift kit, but others i have seen incorperate, plastic, metal or for you Penn. State folks wood as the spacer and often require you loose the resilent (sp.) mount. this casue creaks and groans and premature wear due to metal fatigue, kinda like bending a piece of metal back and forth til it tears. i have seen this happen and as other have mentioned there is the problem of wiring looms, linkages, gas filler plumbing and the sorts. its not an easy fix and could lead to some expensive mods just to get a lil tire clearance. if you are asking for a suggestion, save your pesos til you can do a full suspension lift (including the custom shafts to deal with the bad vibes) and build your truck right. GO LARGE OR GO HOME! that will be you better ticket and you get more PERFORMANCE than shine, which is what you really should be after if your are wanting to put bigger tyres on!
imho,
mike w
london, ohio
94 disco. |
Eric N (Grnrvr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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Could always do the ECR flares method. I actually thought the truck looked really nice with the flares, once the tires were put on. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 11:25 am: |
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Eric , if the choice was between the flares and the body lift I would say go with the flares as well....
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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actually, thats' the new trend these days. keep low and cut a lot. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:16 pm: |
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okay , some of that makes sence, but someof it sounds more "tedious" than "expensive". tuning my discovery suspension took years to make it right. and was expensive.
only for me to sell it and find out it has vibrations if it's not full of the stuff i would always carry, they weren't bad, but now the new guy needs to have weight back there.
so for range rover progect i look to lessen the expense and improve the ride. might it stiff take two years to tune? yes.. but will cost a whole lot less, i think so. i'm not set in stone and will investigate further when i actually add this stuff.
kyle, your truck has so many issues that a squeek would be your wet dream..
rd |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 12:31 pm: |
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Suspension lift to suit your needs (springs, up to 2" spacers if needed, shocks to match);
HD driveshafts front and rear to suit suspension lift;
HD axles front and rear;
HD CV joints;
HD drive flanges;
Tires sized & treaded to suit your traction/clearance NEEDs, not your wet dreams;
Lower, HD gearing to suit tires (i.e. 41 x 10 ring & pinion);
Rear locker and front LSD or selectable locker;
misc. trimming, bumpstops, bushings, etc.
That's all you need. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:11 pm: |
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PLease Rob. My shit has 150 K on it and will go anywhere anytime.... This you know. And dont be put off by a little howling...
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:11 pm: |
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speaking of wet dreams...
i dream of a white little stocker...
and of course, the new range rover. |
Michel Findlay (Michel)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:35 pm: |
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I give you 1 day in a white little stocker Ho, then it will be mod time...the new range however, would make a real nice winter expedition vehicle if the electronics can live at -40 and beyound....
Michel |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:37 pm: |
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michel, before i worry about if rangie can handle -40, it's ME that will object to that shit. LOL |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:43 pm: |
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sure kyle... it was the tires.
oh and my truck just got up and went somewhere this year.
utah and back and now out to seatle. think yours can do that? without prep. mine did,, hehe
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:45 pm: |
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Hmm , Stocker tires dont make noise. Its the rear R&P that is raising Hell...
Kyle |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:49 pm: |
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let me know if you ever want to "upgrade" Kyle, and I will take those stocker tires off your hands |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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See ? Robbie knows. He saw that Stock sidewall looking at him...
Kyle |
Jens Störmer
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 06:22 am: |
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I remember we had this thing before?
We agreed that it doesn't matter what you do, it's how you do it.
http://www.discoweb.org/jens/index.htm
A Bodylift is surely no job for a Sunday afternoon, but if it's done right and you take care of the details, you gain a lot.
A Discovery is a complex machine. The ways to improve it are several. So JUST a Bodylift is as wrong (or right) as JUST a Suspension Lift or JUST larger wheels.
Folks, we are talking about 1-2 inches. With my 30mm Lift, I even came away with the original Shifters.
Jens |
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