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Chuck
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:15 am: | 
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Is a d2 generally as easy to work on as a d1? From what I have read most love the simplicity of the d1. Is a d2 without ACE, SLS generally on the same level? Just wondering what you guys thought before I make up my mind on a disco. |
Brian Jackson (Nerover)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 01:29 pm: |
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Nope. The axles, and diffs are not as easily accessible. The dII had ETC to screw up in years to come like the ABS and the CVs are booted, so you can't just pull them to inspect.
Also, under the hood, there are covers in the way of the motor, whereas the DI is all laid out in front of you.
For diagnostics, the 94/95 Discos had OBDI systems with an LCD display under the passenger seat for fault codes and the later versions of the DI and DII are all OBDII, requiring an external scanning device. Also 94/95 are plain old single-cam V8s and the later DI's and DII's are dizzy-less.
IMO, the simplicity is the opposite of the onroad refinement.
1. DI 94/95 most simple, least refined
2. DI 96-99 less simple, more refined
3. DII least simple, most refined
HTH,
Brian |
Chuck
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:22 pm: |
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Brian,
Thanks, I'm just curions as to the amount of work I could potentially do myself. thanks for the info.
Chuck |
Brian Jackson (Nerover)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:42 pm: |
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I think a 94/95 DI can pretty much be handled completely at home with a decent sat of tools. After a few hundred thousand miles, you may want to take a trip to the machine shop with the heads, but other than that, it's all very simple with a workshop manual.
Brian
-Zen and the Art of Disco Maintenance |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:45 pm: |
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If you've got a laptop and an OBD-II cable, any of the Series I Discos will be fine....
-L |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:23 pm: |
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FYI--
I have a 99.5 DII loaded with 47K miles on it and so far 0 problems. About the engine coverings... BIG DEAL! they pop up with the turn of a latch. Give me a break! The DII is so much more refined and a better vehicle overall as compared to my former vehicle- a 96 SE. Offroadability is improved in the stock form as well, which may be of interest. This is open to debate but the ETC will help you get through bad terrain better than the old diff system will IMO.
hope this helps... GO for the gold--> 2002 SE!!!
-Will |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:33 pm: |
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 the golden ETC rule.
will,
did you do the CDL thing yet? |
Chuck
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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Could someone give me a quick rundown on the different models (ie SD, SE, LE, LSE or whatever else there is). Is it possible to order SLS, ACE, ETC and HDC independent of eachother or do they come together in a package? My wish list includes a 2002 d2 with ETC and HDC but no SLS and probably no ACE. Thanks.
Chuck |
ravensjk
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 06:20 pm: |
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Chuck,
I can't give you a complete rundown of all the options for all of the models, but I do know that ETC & HDC are standard on all models of the Discovery. SLS and ACE are not standard, at least not on the base version.
Hope this helps,
jason |
KJ
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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I *think* SLS is bundled with the 7 seater option, but ACE is optional. Try the LR web site and "Build you own Rover" to see how it works out.
Karen |
Brian Jackson (Nerover)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 08:59 pm: |
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Will,
No big deal, you're right. I however. don't like them...looks too German for my taste. I thought the original poster might be into wheeling and long term ownership, since he asked about working on it himself. I don't really think you and I are talking about the same thing.
To someone who turns the key and drives it, gets it serviced at the dealer and oil changes at Jiffy Lube, yes the DII is more "refined". You must love the smooth ride that won't spill your latte. Send us pictures when you flip it because your false sense of security in turns due to ACE. Oh yeah, send us some pics of those high performance ghetto wraps on the 18" wheels taking you anywhere besides a gravel road while you're at it. You did speak of going off of the road.
For others, myself included, they are designed very poorly for longevity and field repair. Aside from having solid axles, I don't really like anything else on them. They are heaps of trouble.
I can't wait until they start breaking axles and CVs as they get older and people realize that it can't really be easily modified beyond a little lift, tires and bolt-ons. Oh wait, I forgot, the ETC doesn't stress the axles! ha! Well, you can just get those HD upgrades and some thicker boots, those things are great! Sure wish mine had those! I think they are just what the doctor ordered for mall crawling.
BTW, your 96 was a POS. See you at the country club! Now where's my carnuba..... |
Jeeper Brian (Jb1)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 09:02 pm: |
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Go for the gold at the Olympics. |
ravensjk
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:30 pm: |
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LOL! Good God Brian, did Will touch a nerve there...?
I just bought my DII and haven't done any work to it yet, but would love to know if other Discovery owners agree with Brian's low opinion of the DII. Are they really "heaps of trouble"?
Thanks,
jason |
Chuck
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 11:49 pm: |
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Yikes...didnt mean to create any hostility ;-)
Brian I do plan on wheelin and becoming a long term owner. When considering the d1 and d2 I'm definitely looking at potential long-run problems and concerns as well as general ease of maintance. Yet, I also want to buy the newest Disco possible. You bring up some good points. I want to avoid any potential electrical gremilins. Honestly, most of my driving will probably be on the street (as I'm sure most people do), but I plan to hit the trails as much as possible and know that it will become very additcting. So at the same time I want to set myself up on the better of the two platforms. So should i be looking at a 99 d1? |
Leif
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 12:40 am: |
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Holy Crap Brian!
I do wish the DII had full floating axels and an easily locked CDL, but other than that I don't really see any down side. Reliability, I believe, will be better as BMW design and quality control should be an improvement. Time will tell. Most definitely an older D1 will be better for the DIY'er. Over many, many miles it would be best to be able to fix all your problems, but over a '94 or '95 I'm would think the DII might have fewer problems, despite being more heavily reliant on electronics. Maybe not, but if you want complete simplicity buy a 60's or 70's jeep or Bronco.
You know, I just looked outside, my truck looks too damn German. I need to take the lederhosen off of it! |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 01:18 am: |
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DIIs can be worked on.
You just have to have faith in the ETC/HDC/ABS oh wait, no you don't you can disable all that crap and get real lockers. So the axle design is marginally less easily servicable, you can still change axles in the field.
What about the engine/tranny/t-case?
I say one for DII (bosch or lucas hummmm), one for DI (hydraulic or electric), and one tie (assuming you CDL the DII).
A little bit of devils advocate for you Brian
Ron
PS you want simple, get a series. |
Leif
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 01:23 am: |
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Yes Ron, even better a Series! |
Ron
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 01:31 am: |
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Yes a 60s jeep or bronco is complicated to a series II
Ron |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 09:46 am: |
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the nice thing about purchasing a 94/95 is that just about everything that can go bad has and now you have a more REFINED vehicle simply because its had all the glitches repaired. the series II is really an awesome car and i would not push it out on the street if someone gave it to me but with all the gadgets it has well let it get 150k on it and lets see what kind of car you have. IMHO |
Chuck
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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This is getting good!! You guys have managed to make good points for both sides...so now i'm really unsure!! Guess I just have to keep reading D-wed everday until its time to cash in.
Chuck |
pjkbrit
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 03:14 pm: |
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I have a 94 D1....refined...no, reliable, also no...poor quality here and there....yes, easy to repair....very...cheap parts, yep...130K so far. My sister inlaw has a DII....refined...yes, cheap...no, but too new to see how reliable....VERY electronic....scares the crap outa me if I was to buy an old one....time will tell!
BTW I love both cars...they both have pros and cons...but it all depends on you, the owner. |
Brian Jackson (Nerover)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 03:51 pm: |
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Hey Guys,
I didn't mean to come across as angry or anything...sorry about that! I was just expressing my opinion.
For my use, I want a 94/95 and I'll do the work. A DII is a great car so far. But, like some others have said...time will tell. Time has told on the early DIs and RRC. I'm stickin with my first post. If you want a luxo-ute that has a good warranty, get a DII.
To keep it simple, I'll go back to the original question:
Quote:Is a d2 generally as easy to work on as a d1?
Not in my experience.
Brian |
Kent Westbrook
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 05:25 pm: |
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Brian,
Now that was a diplomatic response. |
JRoc
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 05:50 pm: |
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Is a Disco I easier to work on than a Disco II?
Yes
Is a Disco II difficult to work on?
No
Things I hate about my Disco I:
1) They leak, not alot but they leak. My friends Disco II doesn't leak. His has 5k on the engine, Mine has 110k. Not the original owner but I'm pretty sure mine didn't leak at 5k either.
2)The stereo systems suck! I'm really into music and have upgraded every system in every car I've ever owned. How Land Rover sells a 40 Thousand dollar vehicle with a 40 dollar stereo is beyond me. It's as if they didn't even think about the stereo until the truck was already designed. I mean really 4" speakers???
Things I love about my Disco I:
Trust me, there isn't enough room here!!!
Bottom line- Disco I or Disco II, either one, they're both great!
Personally, I'd get a Disco I and use the truckload of money left over for mods!
Good Luck...
'95 Disco |
Chuck
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:17 pm: |
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Thanks for everyone's responses...you really gave me something to think about. Trust me you all will be the first people I tell about my new purchase. Can you feel the love???? ;)
Chuck |
Michael Noe
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:34 pm: |
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Chuck:
Just one more thing...if you decide on a D2, try to find one without ACE. IMO, it's just not worth it.
-Mike |
cyson
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 11:51 pm: |
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Reliability is hard to compare with these two vehicles. One is new and one is old. Most people in the D2s have yet to see the REAL problems emerge. We can only hope that they've improved with the new versions of products, but you never know.
Choosing between one or the other really comes down to the buyer's intentional use, IMO. If you're hanging to the side of more rugged use, I'd say the D1 is a better choice. First of all, it's cheaper. I don't see why anyone would get a new vehicle, void the warranty by adding offroad mods, and scrape it up to look old.
If you hang to the other side a bit more, the D2 has been a great vehicle for me thus far. It's shiny enough to get front row valet at the casino, rides/handles better on pavement, has a few more trick options, and comes with a decent warranty.
chu |
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