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Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 04:33 pm: | 
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Okay, I know everyone here can only guess (except maybe deepthroat) but I was just thinking about the future of Land Rover engines. The current engine is long in the tooth and over 30 years old. I know chaces are that a Ford engine will be used since the take over but with the BMW engine in the new Rangie what do people think about the Ford buying the current 4.4L BMW engine in the new Rangie? BMW is already phasing out that engine from it's lineup in favor of a double VANOS version in the 745i |
Deepthroat
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 08:04 pm: |
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Expect a gradual, and for many not soon enough, swich to jaguar engines. The RR Sport out in just under 2 years will have the option of a jaguar V12. (eat your heart of X5!).
Deepthroat |
Will
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:39 pm: |
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If there is ever a Sport version of the disco or the Range Rover I will be the first to own it. And to all you nuts out there that think that discos are an off road only car, lets face it that practically 90+% of them on the road never see any severe weather, and the truck handles exceptionally well for a SUV. In the end they do need a sport option with bigger tires nasty suspension and an engine that can compare to the ml55 or the x5 4.6....... |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:15 pm: |
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Want a good handling SUV get an X5. Better on the road, safer and despite not being a true BMW in terms of build quality it is MUCH more problem free than a Disco. The Disco, no matter what you put under the hood, can never compare to the ML or X5 nor should it. There is plenty of competition in that field. If that's the road Ford will take with Land Rover it will be the end. Should BMW stop making the M5 or M3? No one drives that thing to 10/10th's. Less than 95% of it's buyers ever push it to it's top limited speed of 155mph. Should Porsche stop making the 911TT? No.
So how are the sales of Freelander going? |
CEJB
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:50 am: |
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Rangies have had BMW engines for years...Diesels in the Series 2 rangie. It will take a few years to engineer the 4.4 engine and the diesel out of the Rangie ditto the td4 engine out of the Freelander.
If you want a look at the next engines for LRs go to your local jag dealer (ok and Lincoln for the 3.2 v6) and check em out.
chris browne |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:05 am: |
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I was thinking of the US market. We don't have the diesels. So I was wondering about the petrol engines. I would love to have ANY diesel available here. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:19 am: |
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Al, do you have any experience with the ML? I know several owners and ex-owners of the ML. Not a single good review. From the cheap leather tearing at 40k miles to my sister's ML, who had her transmission replaced under warranty at 30k miles. Mercedes took a nose dive in the early 90's and hasnt come up. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 09:46 am: |
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I don't and have never owned an ML. I do have friends that own an ML320 and an ML55. Build quality are okay but not up to what I would expect from a MB. But then again even people with E430's that I know aren't happy with the build quality. It seems MB has been working on the quality of the M-Class and the early models were the real duds. Did your sister have the problem with the sound proofing insulation sticking to the window and putting tar all over the whindow when it rolled up? 
I do own an X5 and a 540i/6 as stable mates to the D2. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:05 pm: |
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If she does have that problem, she probably doesnt realize it. her and her husband are the kind of people that dont notice problems until they are quite obvious. The trans. problem caused their vehicle to not move (thats as noticible as it gets). I think MB has been trying to get into ALL the car markets and most of the price ranges. That is their downfall. They have been consistently lowering their quality to be able to lower their prices. Have you seen that new MB that looks like a BMW 318ti? They couldnt even get it right.
How do you like that X5? I'm seriously considering replacing the LR with one when she gives up the ghost. But so far she seems to be almost bulletproof, I think I might be able to put at least 250k (knocking on wood). I'm surprised to hear all these comments about reliability as being bad, maybe I'm just lucky. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:19 pm: |
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The X5 is great for what it is. A tall AWD station waggon. I think I would rather have an AWD 540XiT (if they made one) made in Dingolfing over the Greer built X5. The X5 is no 5 series like so many X5 owners like to claim but it is king of it's domain. The build is much better than the Land Rover but I do notice a lower standard in build quality when compared to the 540i/6. The engine on both vehicles are the same and very solid. If you do get the X5 the one option I think is a must is the sport package. Don't even bother with the regular suspension unless you like a more `American car' like ride. Another thing about the X5 for those who don't know is that this vehicle was NEVER made for even thinking about off road use, open diffs and no low range. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:29 pm: |
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What about the low profile, wide tires? How do they handle in the rain/snow? Thats my main concern. Do you ever bend a rim if you hit a deep pothole? I have those problems with my M3. With 235/40's, dented rims are something I learned to live with. |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
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The X5 now can come with all season tires over the sport tires if you get the performance package. As for rims I haven't had the problem with my 255/40x17's on the 540 or the 245/40x17's on the M Roadster when I had that. The X5 that we have is the non sport and I regret not getting the sport package. The wheels on the X5 are 17" not sure what the profile is. The sport package comes with 18" with optional 19". I think with the 18" you should be okay. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:40 pm: |
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When the X5 came out, BMW still owned Rover, and on their website, I remember a FAQ on the X5 that said something to the effect that "This is a great vehicle for any *road* condition. If you want to go off-road, get a Land Rover instead." lol.....
-L |
isaac
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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I was talking to a fella here at the bellevue LR dealership about this. According to him, LR corporate and ford have a 10 year contract with BMW to supply engines for the new "new" shape rangie.
he offered this when I asked about it, explaining that I'd be hesitant to buy the first year or two until they switched over to a ford-derived power plant.
as for the smaller rangie sport . . . sport my ass - with the short overhang that i saw on the spy photos and shorter wheelbase, I think it will be the perfect off-road sleeper. If it goes into production and the price comes out between disco/rr, it will be hard to not trade in.
cheers |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 01:24 pm: |
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isaac, not that I would but a new Rangie but if I was going to pick one up the engine would be a selling point to me not a deterrent. That's one solid power plant in the new rangie and it's far from new so there's no fear of problems associated with a new engine. FWIW, I have two other vehicles with that same engine and have had no problems in almost three years. Not even a drop of oil leaked out of them. |
isaac
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 01:44 pm: |
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my needling was mostly hypothetical, but the main worry was with long term ownership, i.e. prices being exhorbitantly high for that 1 or 2 year run of bimmer plants. I could hear it then in my head 5 yrs down the road . . .
LR parts: "what year is that again?"
me: (gulp) "it's an oh-three"
LR parts: "i seeeeeee" "hang on a second"
me: (gulp)
LR parts: "yep, we can get it, but it'll be next month"
I figured that if the production run was short, virtually none of the 3rd party parts houses would be interested in carrying parts for it, subsequently forcing me to the dealer.
If I were to buy a new one (which i'm warming up to the idea (doh . . . i didn't say that!)), it would not be pampered. Alas, I'm in no danger of buying so much as fog lights in the next 6 months though.
I would also probably look for a 1 to 2 year old truck, maybe a lease turn in to buy. who knows!
good to hear that bimmer lump is a good one
cheers |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 09:38 pm: |
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That's when you hang up and call over to a BMW dealer and say "I need a _____ for an M60 engine. You know the engine used in the 1997-2003 540i or in the 740i." And if you're a BMWCCA member you can even get a discount. |
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