Exploding Front Driveshaft...

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Author Message   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:13 pm:    This sucks...after spending the weekend replacing the rearhalfs shafts on my DII, I was going to the parts store to pick up some grease for the grease gun so I could replace the front universals, and install the new rear driveshaft from GBR. I had a small vibration and slight clunk, (and I mean small, from the front end) I checked front shaft, no play, seems fine, but what the hell, I've had universals go bad before and this is a pretty good indicator, so as I'm driving home, KLABLAM<KLUNK<STUDDER>>>>ROlling stop... Front shaft is hanging from the front universal, no sign of the hookes joint, fluid all over the place, seems the transfer case is shot also... I had to put the transfer case in nuetral,with my foot to get it on the flat bed...so as my DII fades out into the distance, I have one word of advice, check the Hookes joint, mine showed not real signs of failing...THIS REALLY !@#$^$^#$^%(%^)#@$ By the way, I had a transfer case with the cdl, hopefully I'll get a new one with the same set-up... Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:28 pm:    I know it doesnt help much now Frank but I am working on something for that issue. I recomended it several times to vendors but no one did it. Stay tuned. Kyle   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:39 pm:    Hey Kyle, what really sucks is that there weren't really any signs of the them blowing up, just a slight kluck when I put it gear and very small vibration... Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:42 pm:    Yeah , I know , thats why there needs to be a loop on it to contain it...Also , I am quite sure it was your trans that took the hit and not the T case.... Kyle   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:48 pm:    your right, now that I think about it, the fluid did look like it was red...Am I correct that when the shaft let go it blew into the transmission housing? Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 04:11 pm:    Yes , there is little room right there for error. If the shaft does not spin exactly right it will hit the trans and bust the side out of it. Kyle   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 04:45 pm:    What should we look for in the Hookes joint when inspecting it?   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:02 pm:    Well , the problem with them is that they are spring loaded in there and its hard to spot slop. If you want my honest opinion on it. WEll , I would have a long talkwith my service writer and then I would replace the joints in the shaft with new ones that can be greased. Suffice to say that the Diis are flying apart on a regular basis because of issues in assembly of the joint. There almost has to be lack of grease or some shit int here for these low mileage trucks to be crapping out. Kyle   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:03 pm:    I really don't know Al, I had a slight vibraion, but I was under the truck this moring checking the universals and there was no play in the front shaft. Make sure you grease, and if you get a shimmy in ht efront end, check them checked ASAP... Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:10 pm:    The bad part is that they are gonna replace your shaft with another fucked up one Frank..... Kyle   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:20 pm:    I know, that only makes it worst... Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:23 pm:    Well the cardan joint can be rebuilt. Dont let anyone tell you any different. If you wanna swap the joints and dont wanna tackle it just drop me a note. Kyle   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:35 pm:    again,,, sounds like class action time rd   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:47 pm:    shuddup Rob, you have no class and get no action. LOL   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:50 pm:    Glad to hear that no one was hurt. After reading this I think I'll pull my front shaft tonight and replace it with the new Tom Woods one that I bought.. Wish the new back one would get here soon.   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:55 pm:    Its not a Great basin shaft Eric , its the factory DII shafts that have issues.. Kyle   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:59 pm:    Hey Eric, Where'd you get the Driveshaft? I'll definetly take one...or, are there any other options... Frank   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    Frank , you dont need a whole shaft. Its just the joints in the DII shaft that need replacing... Kyle   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    you put the ass in class blew and my priest calls me action jackson   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:01 pm:    The rear is a Great Basin, front shaft was stock... Frank   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:17 pm:    Hey Klye, You'll have mail shortly... Frank   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:24 pm:    I ordered both new front and rear shafts from Tom Woods. www.4xshaft.com Kyle, I know he has a D2 but, I have been driving around still with minor vibes 55mph-60mph. I have the new front shaft sitting at home and I was going to wait till I got the new rear one before installing them. However, after reading this I'm putting it on. Don't want those GBR shafts costing me any more money then they already have. I also went with the Multi Double Cardon shafts. I shouldn't have any vibes whether the angles are right or not. I got my fingers crossed on that one.   Kyle Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:31 pm:    Oh shit , cardans on both ends ? Hello pinion bearing... Kyle   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:56 pm:    Frank, how many miles on your D2? With 42k on mine I'm getting worried now.   Greekrover Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:14 pm:    Hey frank ,sorry to hear about your misfortune. Back this past christmass I had posted on the DII list for everyone to keep an eye on the front drivesaft becuse mine started clanking pulling out of my garage all of a sudden and without any previeus warning.I pulled the drve saft out and took to the delaer and they replaced the front drivesaft with a new one.Dealers do not bother replace the Uloints.Thproblem seems to be tht the two ujoints not having grease nipples for greasing go out prematuly. Try to get a new front drivesaft under warranty from the dealer and then buy nippled ujoints from BIll great basin and replace them next time the originals start give you vibes. If the drivesaft is in good ordr just replace the ujoints from BIll. You will need to take out the nipples from the ujoits after greasing and plug the holes with alen caps from sears. My front drive saft went south at about 35,000 miles. I am still running the replacement drive saft without the nippled ujoints but I am constantly keep an eye on it to avoid the carnage. Alot of times I thought Of making something up like kyles loop to contain the loose drve saft but never did it . Now that kyle is working on it I will wait for the piece . George Sitanis   mongo Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:19 pm:    28k on the DII...I asked the service manager to replace the u joints with ones that have grease fittings. He said he'd check into it...once again, front drive shaft was stock, as is the rear. I'll install the GRB when I get it back from the dealer... frank   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:23 pm:    Yes, Kyle, Cardons on both ends.. Can't be any worse then that heavy a$$ steel adapter that I had on before.   Erik G. Burrows (Erik) Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 01:42 am:    What is the incident rate on this? What's the likelyhood my DII will make it to the end of it's service life without this problem? Also, where can I grease to keep it from happening?   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:04 am:    Erik , you cant grease it. Eric , if I read you clear you have doubled the rotating mass on the poor thing. The pinions are well known for being a bit touchy to start with. It will be interesting to see the results... Kyle   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:17 am:    Actually, the old shaft I had on there weighs more then the new one. That adapter weighed a ton.. Guess we will find out won't we.   Greg Davis Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:30 am:    Well, I just ordered my replacement(greasable) u-joints from Bill @ GBR. Should be here in a week. Keeping my fingers crossed until then!   mongo Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:36 am:    What REALLY SUCKS about this whole thing is that I was going to replace the u-joints, when I got back from the parts store...can't win Frank   Michael Noe (Noee) Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:11 am:    Sorry if this has been asked...but...does it take any special tools to change out the u-joints for the greasable set?   Brian Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:26 pm:    Erik, be scared...be very scared... http://www.expeditionexchange.com/corva2002/carnage/   Erik G. Burrows (Erik) Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:11 pm:    After taking my truck to the dealer shop today for an unrelated problem, I asked about getting a replacement greasable joint or shaft. I was very politely told that Land Rover just doesn't make them, and has no plan to. However, they did offer to install an aftermarket joint for one hour's worth of work. Does anyone else's DII front driveshaft look really coroded? The paint on mine is flaking off, and rusting underneath. How thick is that pipe?   Greg Davis Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:57 am:    Erik, if you don't mind doing a little wrenching, you can order the two joints from GBR for the price of an hour's labor and have better, stronger (Spicer) joints.   Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:10 am:    Kyle - when do you think the loop will be available? Also, with this attached, do you think the u-joints need replacing still? Or can the carnage be contained? Dean Ps Sign me up for one please.   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:21 am:    Dean I am a little busted up right now and trying to get a couple of trucks ready for a trip. It will be some time in November I imagine. It doesnt take away the need to get good joints in there. It just contains it when it decides to fly apart , which can happen no matter what joints ya have. Its just more likely with the stock non greasers.. Kyle   Erik G. Burrows (Erik) Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:00 pm:    Ok, I know I asked this before, but I still don't understand: Why can't I just grease the joint? I know, it's spinning, and so will throw off the grease quickly, but if re-greased say, weekly, will this not at least band-aid the problem?   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:09 pm:    There is no damn fitting man.... How are you gonna grease it ? kyle   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:12 pm:    there are no fittings to get the grease inside the joint where it needs to be. Putting grease on the outside isn't going to do much for you. You could take them apart and put grease in them then put them back together again though if you really wanted to.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:13 pm:    damn, kyle beat me to it..   Erik G. Burrows (Erik) Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:48 pm:    I see, thanks Eric. Kyle, I realize there is no fitting, but capilary action can work for us... Not enough though, according to you guys. Ok, so that makes sense. So when is that loop going into production kyle?