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Author Message   todd slater Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:11 pm:    I am looking for a little advice and some of this may piss you off as well. Oh, back in Sept. of 99 I bought my beloved her D2. After a week of proud ownership I spent my first time behind the wheel. As the scenery passed by, I noticed an odd ripple in the hood. After closer inspection..it was indeed some very faint crease in the hood. Off to the LR dealer to rectify the situation. They initialled agreed to replace the hood with the one off of the service manager's car. I arrived at the dealer and all was set to swap it. I looked at his hood... and well his was creased also....we perused the lot...and every one of them was creased as well. Since then (we are Oct/Nov 99) I have recieved the good old fashioned run around..."we need to have the regional rep look at it" etc...etc...but nothing has happened. At this point it definitely needs to go up the food chain. Any of your thoughts and experiences would be appreciated. Oh yes the pissed off part...well if you purchased your D2 in Sept/Oct 99 from LR West Chester, PA...I garauntee your hood has a crease in it as well ! I haven't peered at D2 hoods in quite awhile so I don't know if it persisted beyond that time frame.   Mike B. Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:59 am:    Man I feel for you. This is very unfortunate. However, sometimes you just have to let these things go. Otherwise, they will just take over your entire life and totally consume you. After all, I'll bet we are talking about a very faint blemish in the paint is probably ruining your ability to enjoy a fantastic vehicle (no mention of problems otherwise). Peace! Mike B.   Snafu Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:04 am:    Its the principle   todd slater Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 03:56 pm:    Mike and Snafu, Snafu you are absolutely correct, for the kind of cash thrown down on this pig...I definitely expect better. Mike, the list of problems with the vehicle is too long for my feable mind to remember...its all written down and in a folder. Also, it is definitely not a paint blemish. As far as being consumed with this...not to worry, I am too busy to let this bother me...however, it will become a larger pain in LR's ass in the coming months.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:13 pm:    Sell it and get a Toyota..   todd slater Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:09 pm:    Eric, I have 3 Toyotas...89 FJ62, 84 SR5 xcab 4x4, and a 95 Camry...If they didn't want so damn much for the new LC's ...I'd have 4 toyotas right now.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:37 pm:    Just wondering, but, with all the talk of how Land Rovers are unreliable, build quality sucks, and electrical systems with minds of their own why did you get one?   todd slater Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:54 pm:    It was a price thing. LC's are $50k+, at the time we were also considering the ML320. I hate the look of the ML...looks like a GD minivan !!! Ford,Dodge, chebbie etc..not on bet. Lexus..see ML comment. I wanted to spend no more than 36/37k for a new SUV. The D2 with everything nee ACE and electric heated seat gizmos was had for 36.5K. The D2 was the only real SUV in my price range. Besides...my Japanese crap out numbered my British crap at the time. Now its even.   Chris von C. Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:19 pm:    I bought our '99 D2 new from West Chester in Sept 99 and the hood was fine on ours. Just my experiance. Chris von C.   Ron Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:24 pm:    Should have bought from LR Main Line Ron   todd slater Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:28 pm:    Chris, Bring it down to the house, I'll show you the crease. Carlo and I walked the entire lot...everyone had it. It is very subtle, but its there. I'll bet beers on it.   Chris von C. Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:06 pm:    Todd, I would but we sold it off a bit ago. I do talk to the guy who bought it every now and then and will ask if he noticed it but to be honest, I dont think it was on ours. I full detailed that truck all the time myself and knew right away when something was not right no matter how small. Maybe ours was sitting there for a while before we bought ours off the showroom floor and not part of the same lot with bad hoods. If you have a picture, I, as I am sure other, would like to see what/where you are seeing this. I would be interested to see if other outside of this area have the same flaw or if it was just local. Chris von C   todd slater Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:56 pm:    Chris, A camera/photo would never pick this up. It is very slight. I have seen photos of cars that would make you think that they are good and straight, but when you see them in person, you ask yourself... just which war did that car survive ? I live down next to Hartefeld, if your ever down that way, I'd be glad to offer up the beer challenge...if you find it I'll buy...if not you'll buy. And if the guy that bought yours is game ...everyone is welcome. Heck, I'll pull out the digital and see if I can capture this puppy...but as I said cameras hide a multitude of sins.   anon Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:43 am:    Todd: When was the last time you spoke with the dealer? Given them a call. Its as fixable today as it was three years ago   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:48 am:    Have you tried some rubbing compound? If the crease is that small a little compound might help. I have a '99 D2 but couldn't tell if I even had a crease with all the trail tattoo's on the hood.   BW Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:42 am:    Write a smart letter stating all the facts and no opinions to the president of LRNA. Send it CERTIFIED. That way he will have to sign for the letter himself. If that doesn't work, come down to southern Arizona and go riding with me for a few hours. I promise that your crease will be the last thing you'll be worried about. BW   todd slater Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:15 am:    Anon, Its due for its annual inspection...thats typically when I put a bug in their ear. This time a foot up their !@# will accompany it. Al, Compound works on maladities of the paint and the paint is fine, it's in the metal. Early on in the game we (dealer and I) thought it may have to do with the way they attached the skin to the subframe. BW, After I insert foot into all the right places, I'll give the writing campaign a go. As far as off road...well this is currently the wifes grocery getter...ergo if i go out to play ..i am taking the FJ62...life could be worse.   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:19 am:    Could always get a 4 Runner or a used Land Cruiser. Hell, Land Cruisers aren't even broken in yet at 50,000 miles. Disco just isn't a good street and mall crawler kinda car.   Gil Stevens (Gil) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:45 am:    "A camera/photo would never pick this up" "just which war did that car survive ?" are these 2 statements not oxymorons? How could a "crease" that a camera couldnt pick up possibly resemble anything that came out of a war? Obviously, you werent being literal, but, if this crease is so small and insignifigant that you cant even photograph it than why make such an issue of it? where on the hood is this crease, as i just looked at the hoods on 21 different 99 D2s and I see no creases..anywhere.. maybe it was a West Chester thing??   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:04 am:    If you use an off-camera light source, you should be able to get it to shadow a little, so that it can be identified on an image. -L   Chris von C. Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:50 pm:    Todd... If you can snap a pic anyway and photoshop in a line so others can go out and look at their D2s to see if this was a nation wide thing. Chris von C   Kyle Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:52 pm:    Man , when I saw this thread I thought it was about Hrens Bumper... Kyle   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 05:33 pm:    I thought it looked nice. Guess you aren't going to like mine then...   muskyman Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:10 pm:    Todd, you need to go get a land cruiser...the fit and finish are much much better and even though they cost 15k more after ten years the resale is much better so initial higher price is a wash. chevy dealers used to dread some customers because fit and finish problems with corvettes the bottom line is not all people understood that the fit and finish of a vette would always be just ok even though it was the most expensive car on the lot. as leather nice and yuppy popular as the disco's have become they are still made in great britain and are still land rovers little things to small for the eye of a camera will always get by. shit I have a friend with a 97 RR corniche convertible and the interior is falling apart. its british for gods sake and a british truck at that!!!!   isaac fain (Searover) Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:16 pm:    Todd - dare I repeat it, I don't believe this is a good vehicle for you. A Lexus or TLC is in your future, son! Aeshetics have always taken a back seat with LR's - it wasn't until the last 8 years or so that they learned how to properly align body panels for christ sake! Honestly? My suggestion in the "keeping it" category would be to whack the crap out of the hood with a big ball peen hammer. You won't ever notice that crease again! cheers   Jeff Price Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:59 pm:    Cover the hood in checker plate and you won't be able to see the crease?   jaz Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:26 am:    take a sledge hammer to the hood and report the vandalism and claim the insureance for a new hood.   Curtis N (Curtis) Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:56 am:    I am not really reading this am I? So...you bought a Land Rover that has a crease on the hood. You have complained yet you have found that they all have this crease. This "crease" however, is too small to photograph, yet is visible to your eye. When you buy a vehicle and all of the other vehicles of that model share a certain characteristic it is considered a trait of the vehicle. You are wasting your time trying to raise hell over this. Curtis   hendrik Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 04:28 am:    My RRC has a crease in the hood, too. It has two in fact - one left, one right running from front to the decker panel. I´ve seen that on just every RR I came across. Even the newest Rangies have it. ? Has this sth to do with the issue ?   todd slater Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:59 am:    Many have suggested I get a LC, either you are on drugs or missed the part about having an FJ62 or you are merely suggesting I get another. That is hindsight...if you know what I mean. I'll snap a pic of it when I get back to the homestead and post it.   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:24 pm:    For those few who wanted to see a picture of what I was talking about ...with a little luck here should be 2 shots....since it is very hard to see in still photo, I am forwarding a movie onto Ho for him to upload in the "videos" section....it shows up much easier when in motion..it waves to you...anyway FWIW   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:30 pm:    For those few who wanted to see a picture of what I was talking about ...with a little luck here should be 2 shots....since it is very hard to see in still photo, I am forwarding a movie onto Ho for him to upload in the "videos" section....it shows up much easier when in motion..it waves to you...anyway FWIW   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:36 pm:    well it didn't work....hmmm tried it today with my work puter with a test and it worked fine....i'll send the video to Ho anyway and try the pics tomorrow on he other puter.   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:52 pm:    flippin thing worked in the test area...maybe it didn't want two at a time...image quality sucks though   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:54 pm:    put a line on it...however hopefully the video image that Ho puts up will be better...at least it is on my player   ANON Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:36 pm:    GET A LIFE YOU SAD MAN   todd slater (Toddslater) Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:07 pm:    eat me a...non   John Friederich Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 10:01 pm:    My 2001 has the same 'crease'. Wow, if this was the worst of it, I'd be glad. I thought this was part of the 'design' of the hood. After last weeks' outing, the scratches running from front to back on the passenger side have my attention a little more. The wife seemed to favor the drivers side a little on the tree-lined trail we were on. Got to get out the rubbing compound this weekend to see how thick the clear coat is... Don't mean to be poopy, but every D2 I've ever seen has this. John F   Jason T. Barker (Speedminded) Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 10:50 pm:    yeah, I have a huge crease on my D1, it goes all the way around my hood so I just painted the damn thing flat black so everyone can see it! Click here to enlarge.