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Author Message   Bruce Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 06:37 pm:    One of the latest threads hit-home a good point� Duplication of the same old tired, worn-out, over-discussed subjects. How can YOU put a halt on redundant threads about key-fobs/jumpy tachs, which oil, optimas, which tires, etc? Do A SEARCH FIRST, then post if you are still seeking advice. I know whenever I need information, I first do a Key Word Search then I will post if I am still dumb-founded. Is this a wrong stance to take people? Would we all be better-off with less of the same questions and answers that we have to scroll through to find newer of different posts? I am not trying to be an unfriendly asshole about this, I know I know, I am going to get flamed on this, however, a ounce of preparation on your part would save countless hours on others as we scroll through the same stuff� Yeah, it�s a public forum, not mine to request changes and I don�t work my ass-off like the owners to keep the servers humming and provide thread enforcement administration, but hey, Could You, Would You PLEASE place some language on the �New Thread� window suggesting a key-word search 1st? OK, let the flaming begin against me.   Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:03 pm:    Bruce, there are a lot of instances that I agree with you. However, one of the reasons that this board works so well is because there are constantly new people. Often times a new person like that is distanced from the rest of us because there is no way for them to return the help that someone has given them. So when you have the repeated questions or the newbie questions it is giving a new person the opportunity to respond and help someone else. No one forces you to respond and I don't think that scrolling past a subject that you aren't interested in is asking a lot. Just my thoughts, no intentions of flaming here, just communicating.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:18 pm:    Wanna know how many times I've answered those questions? Am I gonna stop? Hey, at least those are questions that I know the answer to...... -L   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:23 pm:      Dee Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:45 pm:    Paul, I like the napalm gif, getting flashbacks?   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:53 pm:      Dee Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:15 pm:    Well i do love the smell of it in the mornings also..   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:18 pm:    some day this war is gonna end...   Dee Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:22 pm:    Party Pooper   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:33 pm:    Had to bring up war.......   Bill Molnar (Circekat) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:34 pm:    And now, coming to you from a DiscoWeb very close to your heart: The Disco Web thread of redundancy on the Disco Web thread on redundancy of Disco Web threads. Ha ha hahahahahaha! Bill M.   Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:04 pm:    Yes, if you search through the archives, you will see that this topic has been discussed in the past, so why bring it up again?   Gregg Smith (Discogregg) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:32 pm:    Hey I am probably one of the geeks that has asked for advice on subjects that you have already answered (Probably Why they never got answered)!! I appologize but I am new to Discoverys and this board.   Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:36 pm:    We might as well make use of this thread... whats the question Gregg?   Gregg Smith (Discogregg) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:43 pm:    Thanks Clif, I just need to find out how difficult it is to replace the fuel sender and steering box on a '97 Discovery?   Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:46 pm:    I cant say Ive got personal experience with that one. Ill take a peek in my shop manual and see what it looks like.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:52 pm:    Bruce, Seriously, the way it happens: Someone gets a Disco, and all is well. Then, one day they have a problem, and so they get the bright idea to find an answer on the internet. They find this site, find a BBS, so they post a question. Yes, the same questions are asked over and over, and answered over and over. But, until someone gets on here and plays around enough, they won't discover how to do keyword searches, etc. etc. If they hang out, they'll catch on, but, they have to jump in to figure it out in the first place.... Now, if you were willing to compile a *New and Improved* FAQ, and wanted a link to it placed in the upper corner of the banner, Ho and Axel and Kyle might go for it. Put in it all the questions that you're bored of seeing. Let's see: which winch to get which lift to get which tires to get which bumper to get high-octane versus regular tach/alt/serp-belt issues valve issues VSS/TPS/etc. Rotoflexes Disco versus _____ (Jeep, Exterra, Hummer, etc.) how to post pics how to create an account how to search the archives how to change your oil how to change your fuel pump how to work the CDL how to jiggle the A/C switch how to change to clock-bulb how to change other bulbs yada yada yada...... Yeah, I bet if you want to compile a new FAQ, I'm sure Ho will post it for ya..... 'Til then, I'll try to answer them as I can (and hope that I'm half-right!) -L   Clif Ashley (Cta586) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:58 pm:    I haven't had to do it myself yet, but... According to the manual... with MFI to remove "fuel pump and sender unit" involves the following... -depressurize fuel system -disconnect neg. battery lead -remove at least 2 gallons of gas -pull up carpet in rear -fold back insulation and you should see access panel -remove access panel -disconnect multi-plug from fuel sender unit -disconnect two fuel line unions from pump -remove pump unit retaining ring (of course using the service tool LRT-19-001 and it will spontaneously combust) That is straight out of the manual but I spared you SOME of the bull shit. I hope that helps.   Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:02 pm:    Leslie, I think that I've asked at least 4 or 5 of those questions since I've been on here. Bruce needs to move on to the pirates board in my opinion...   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:04 pm:    lol..... -L   muskyman Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:26 pm:    the return to basics is always important...always plus I think the fact that the board is live beats the hell outa Memorex we are people...   KJ Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:03 am:    Leslie, You forgot the ever-popular "*^%$# Check Engine Light", "What does code **** mean?", and the one *I* can feel qualified to answer, "Why does my motor race when I hit the brake pedal?" You're a pal to answer so many questions, and my B.S. detector almost never goes off when I read your replies, LOL! Karen   Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:05 am:    Well, if Ho, Kyle or myself minded that new people ask the same questions repeatedly, we would have done someting about it already.... Well, if Ho, Kyle or myself minded that new people ask the same questions repeatedly, we would have done someting about it already.... Damn, there is an echo in here...   Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:27 am:    Axel, As far as I can see the search works only on the thread heading texts, and not the contents of the discussions. Is there any way you could change this? Several times I remember something or some keyword that was mentioned in a discussion, but can't find the damn thing. Dean   ken knebusch (Charlotterover) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:36 am:    Leslie, You hit it dead on! Ken   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:09 am:    Dean, have you tried using the keyword search with drop down box look in : "Text of Messages"... I haven't had any issues with finding things..   Todd Sanders (Sanderskog) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:41 am:    As a newbie to Discoweb I'll throw in my .02 worth. When I first started using the board a few months ago I too posted a few newbie questions. I searched the archives first but did not find the specific information I was looking for. What it comes down to is how much time you are willing to search on a topic in various ways through the archives. Mispellings, threads that go askew, and subjects that don't relate to the thread make it difficult. Don't get me wrong, this is also the sort of stuff that brings life to the board. With my other toy there are two boards I look at. One is many years old (ROADFLY) the other was built within the past year {BMW 2002 FAQ). The Roadfly was a great resource in its time. Unfortunately over time threads like this started to dilute the board. Those that had been around for a long time got tired of new people not using the search function, asking newbie questions, and not focusing on the real modifications to the car. At that time a small group decided to build the FAQ site. When this occured the board split. About 1/2 go to FAQ and 1/2 stuck with what they knew (Roadfly). Unfortunately when this happened a lot of the knowledge was lost on both boards. FAQ is a great site for go fast/suspension info. whereas Roadfly is a good resource for mechanical basics and restorations. My point? I'd hate to see something like this happen here. I'd encourage Ho, Axel, and Kyle to check out the FAQ site. The sections in it are very similar to Discoweb. The FAQ group has done an outstanding job developing the FAQ section and relies on those that read the board to submit the information and pics. Don't get me wrong, I think this site is fantastic and am sure the TECH session will be invaluable as I start to tweak my D1. Hell, I'd give it If you've made it this far you either are sitting at your desk at work with a cup of coffee in your hand or your waiting for someone to get off work so you can go have fun in your Disco. Personally, I don't mind the newbie questions. Todd   Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:45 am:    Eric - Thanks I was always using the Search link at the top of this page (between store and contact). I wonder why there are two searches? Dean   Eric N (Grnrvr) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:12 am:    I've never used the one at the top of the page before. I have always used the Keyword Search to the side. I think one is to search the site as a whole and the other is just to search the bbs.   Rick Lindgren (Slacker) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:03 pm:    Please don't tell me that the Laurel and Hardy image has entered the Discoweb public domain. I thought it was a one time visitor because Ho has magic powers on the Board. Now I'm going to be afraid to look at new threads because they might be there dancing away. LOL. I am one of those who has and will continue to ask "Newbie" questions. One of the nice things about Discoweb is that there are hundreds of people out there looking at the same problems but each from a slightly different perspective/background. Every time new people join, we get the opportunity for a new solution to things that no one thought of before. If this weren't the case, we'd all be driving DII's with no CDL. The KVT bumper was probably born because Kyle said, "Shit, I can build something better than that." and he did. My long winded point is that the "state of the nation" changes constantly so sometimes it's good to rehash things and see what's new. I will never get tired of seeing Leslie respond, "Dunlop Radial Rover R/T" Rick   JB Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:58 pm:    Need a penny , take a penny, leave a penny... repeated 'newbie ' questions often bring out golden nuggets of knowledge previously overlooked and create beneficial debates. Some ad nauseum but whatever....just scroll down.. JB   Gregg Smith (Discogregg) Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:47 pm:    Unfortunately my 2 cents were invested in Enron and all my other funds go to my Rover. I want to thank everyone on this thread for being so nice to this Newbie!   Steve Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:15 pm:    While the newbee question may be the same question posted many times before, it remains the first time the poster asked the question. As an adult ed instructor, I know every class, like every new owner, asks the same questions. Everyone had to learn somewhere and the learning experiance should be a good memory. Answering the question and refering to previous threads helps bring a new person into the sport and shows them how to use the search function. Flaming the questioner sends another customer to Toyota. Your choice. Steve   muskyman Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:31 pm:    then again flamming can also thicken the skin and really prepare them for Discoweb debates such as what winch works the best in all conditions?   Bruce Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:28 am:    Let's not toooo get wrapped-up in newbie questions nor taking this to the extreme about turning people away from the LR marques. Again, a simple statement above the 'new post window', as a reminder to use key-word-search as first approach would reduce the number of simple questions and answers. Yes I agree there are all types of unique scenarios for a simple issue, however, reviewing other posts often gets the mind working and quite often helps others either find the answer or helps them to refine the question to suit their specific needs. This request is not a sinister as some take it, simply an approach for efficiency. I like the idea of a FAQ, however, that is a maintenance headache that only the board owners can justify, nonetheless, a very good idea L.