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ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:25 pm: | 
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I am in the final stages of putting together a set of off road tires and wheels... (i have a set of steel wheels and i'm looking at getting new tires for them) i intend these wheels wheels to be "off road" and "special occasions" (trips to Hollister, Cow mtn, Pismo Beach, occasional camping trip or trip to lake tahoe and when it rains around here, etc)
currently im running the stock Castor alloys with stock Michelins 235/70/16's. i am/was seriously thinking of getting the Bridgstone M/T's... while sitting at the sales counter a customer next to me was saying "dude, dont get M/T's if your going to drive them in the snow... there really scarry. get the A/T's... blah blah blah..."
does anyone have any experience driving M/T's in the snow? are they really that bad... how do they compare to the stock michlines? i really like the look of the agressive M/T treads.
anyone with exp driving M/T and or A/T's in the snow...
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Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:59 pm: |
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AT is MUCH better in the snow than MT's. You can get away with MT's in fresh snow but that's about it. You can also sipe the MT's to improve performance in snow and rain but AT's will still win out in snow. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:40 pm: |
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I've had both on pickups and my Blazer. I have A/Ts on my Rover.
The M/Ts were loud, worthless in snow, regardless of conditions, and, perhaps most importantly, I have never gotten such poor wear performance out of a tire than with Cooper (yes, this may have been the cause) OTDs. I loved the aggressive appearance, but they had no life when run on the street (again, might be a contributing cause).
One thing I did not experience with my muds was the scary wet weather performance-must have been me.
For an all-around tire, I prefer the A/T (BFG).
I may go to muds someday, but right now, the A/Ts are best for my uses.
Paul |
Todd Sanders (Sanderskog)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 04:29 pm: |
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Let me first just say I have no tire experience with Rovers, its been Jeeps in my past.
For snow I would agree. An AT is much better than a MT. Although I would have to diagree with Paul. The Cooper Discoverer AT has been an outstanding tire for my needs. I didn't do a ton of DEEP mudding in my past though. Mostly snow, rain, fun mud (less than 4 inches), and trails.
No opinion on the Cooper MT though. IMO I think the BFG AT sucked bad in the rain. They hydroplane bad.
Todd |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:46 pm: |
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Todd:
I had the Cooper OTD Mud tires, not A/T, nor Discoverer. The A/Ts might be great, but the OTD mud tires weren't. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:40 am: |
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Snow-tire, that is fine as a daily-driver, but can be used off-road well, too?
Dunlop Radial Rover R/T. 
-L |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:12 am: |
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I have run BFG MT and AT in CO. MTs are not good in snow, got about 45k miles mixed use out of them. AT are good on the road, but show serious wear after only about 10 offroad trips. |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:24 pm: |
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Has anyone used the Kumho Venture ATs? Like other cheap-ass bastards, I can't justify the cost of the BFGs unless I was going out every weekend.
The Venture's have good ratings on tirerack.com except for the Would Buy Again, which I'm a bit confused on.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/orat.jsp
thanks
pwc |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:01 am: |
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the goodyear ATS is great in rain queit on the road and great in snow it also is ok in even gumbo mud cleaning its tread very well. they have 2 super large rain grooves.
i havent had them on a rover yet but have on 2 other trucks and have a number of friends that all love them...most were former BFG AT fans. |
Larry Grubbs (Larryg)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:17 am: |
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It depends.... If you are driving in 2 foot of fresh snow the M/T will beat the hell out of the A/T. If you are driving on snowpacked streets the opposite is true. Also a note regarding the scary-nous of the M/T on snow pack. If they are siped they handle fine, no safety issues. This is experience speaking. Rumor has it the Goodyear MT/R's are pretty good on snowpack, I'll let you know in a few months.
Larry |
Dave M.
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:28 am: |
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I'm going to re-tire my project Trooper and had the same discussion on a local off-roading BB I belong to. Mostly Jeep guys, but with quite a lot of wheeling experience to share... a good bunch of guys.
http://www.northeastonlinewheelers.org/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=2697
I still haven't decided which way to go. Snow performance is VERY important for me, so I'll probably go with an AT of some sort. Bear in mind that my truck is a $1000 budget rig and not a $20k Discovery. :-) |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:04 pm: |
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damn , that page crashed my browser (netscape) i'll have to check it when i get home, love to see this project trooper. many of use here started out in troopers.
rd |
Peter Carey (Pcarey)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:56 pm: |
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good use of the word 'smelt' on that page.
pwc |
Dave M.
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:02 pm: |
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re: project trooper
I'll be putting up a full synopsis with pictures once I really get started. Mostly, I've been working on getting it safe and running well as it started out as a $790 eBay find. |
Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:03 pm: |
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If you're making a set of dedicated off-road tires, definitely get the m/t tires. I have had a set of m/t on my disco all last winter here in Chicago. I feel safer driving the disco with mud tires in the snow than my taurus with new tires. M/Ts are not that bad.
If you're building a dedicated set of wheels/tires, why would you want the compromise tire? |
Robert Sublett (Rubisco98)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:08 pm: |
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I'm curious as well, aren't M/T's better on packed snow than the stock Michelins? We don't have to worry that much about snow, but I'd like to think that the Disco would have a better chance on M/T's than the slick Michs'.. |
Grey
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:51 pm: |
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It's pretty basic...On snow pack a A/T is going to perform better. A mud tire cleans out to quickly. Snow sticks to snow better than rubber. As for the previous post...I have had Goodyear m/t's in the snow and I have to say they did fine. |
Brian Dickens (Bri)
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:16 pm: |
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Possibly I did not say enough. My experience with MT/ATs is the same as Larrys. MTs ARE good on fresh snow. ATs are better on packed and the MTs (I have heard) are good with sipes.
Another note about the price. BFG have been the only tires that I get a full 55k miles out of with moderate offroad use. I have not been able to get even close to that with GY and other tires that I have tried-- especially michelin. |
muskyman
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:39 pm: |
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there is no doubt that if your talking real snow 8" or deeper say that a MT will smoke all AT's and if its slushy lots of AT's will freeze up pretty fast.
my offroad truck runs on 35 13.5 15 Baja Claws and at 5psi I can get up on top of bottomless snow that you would need snow shoes to cross.
but on hard glazed icy roads and hard packed snow even with sipes they require your attention.
you just cant group deep snow and snow covered roads togather they are more like opposits then alike.
as far as the stock mich. ...go to discount tire and have them siped and run them at 40 lbs and they make AWSOME traction on ice. I did mine last fall and the difference over stock is HUGE! |
Rich Lee
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:49 pm: |
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Ken,
Just get the Dunlop Rover RTs and you won't look back. Very decent on road. Good in the mud due to the side lugs, but not so aggressive that they will bury you in sand. They excel in the snow and are RMA certified as "extreme winter service" tires. I've had them on everything from glare ice to 8" of fresh snow off-road. They have never disappointed me. I will be buying my fourth set this fall.
If I were not intending to use them as much on either snow & sand AND if I was willing to put up with more road noise and a LOT more cost, I would go with the new Goodyear MTRs. I hear they are significantly better than the BFG MTs in mud and "smear" and "edge" on rock as good or better than anything else out there. This is based upon input from several Rover owners who have driven both tires.
For 245/75-16 tires, the prices and speed ratings (from the Tire Rack) are:
Dunlop RT = $93/ea R rated to 106 mph
Goodyear MTR = $142/ea P rated to 93 mph
BFG AT/KO(new) = $143/ea Q rated to 99 mph
BFG MT (old) = $146/ea Q rated to 99 mph
BFG MT/KM (new) = $156/ea Q rated to 99 mph
Good Luck in your decision. |
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