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lingyang
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 08:46 pm: | 
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Hi all,
After got stuck in water many times,now I plan to change my engine to a diesel one.What kinda diesel engine will you guys suggest to put in a Disco 1?And why? |
OTTO
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 09:47 pm: |
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TDI200 or TDI300 nothing else!
greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
OTTO
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 09:51 pm: |
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Oh i forgot!
You can tune up the TDI engine for exampel TDI30o to 135PS and 330 Nm by 1400 rpm!
Greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:32 pm: |
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There are better diesel engines out there. Thing is, though, you have to get into a lot of fabrication, etc. etc. If you stick w/ a 300Tdi or its predecessor, then you can use all-Rover parts in a factory-spec fashion, so that it would be easier to keep up, and not run the risk of being a hack-job.
IMHO, FWIW, YMMV......
-L |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:45 pm: |
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300TDi or 200TDi depending on what you have now. |
Scott Hayes (Scott_H)
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:00 pm: |
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um...how much money do you have? I understand they are expensive..and keep in mind that gettin parts may be difficult.
but I'd LOVE to have one. |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 01:21 am: |
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Okay I have a different take on this than most so here goes. Swap the 4.0l and ZF for a GM 6.5 and a 4l80E using a marks 4WD drive Tcase adaptor. All the stuff you can read on the web about "big blocks don't work in Rovers" is a crock! The same clowns who say that increasing the weight of the motor ruins the handling of the truck in one breath go on and on about their winch and bumper combinations in the other. Look if our trucks were that sensitive to 200lbs of extra weight behind the grille how could they possibly stand 200lbs hanging in front it? I have owned two big block powered rover products and driven three others all built by the same old retired Porsche technician. My first big block Rover was a 1985 Range 2 door gray market Rover that was converted from a carb 3.5 to a six pack equipped 440 Chrysler. The truck was great fun but was shockingly hard on fuel and limited in is highway capabilities due to its underdriven Tcase and three speed auto. Due in large part to the relatively light weight of that truck and weeny tires I broke very few driveline parts. During the time I owned that '85 the gentleman who built the truck put together a tow vehicle out of a 1988 4 door with a 6.2 diesel and a 700r4 using a Tcase adaptor from the UK. That truck was a great combination providing superior pulling power and excellent fuel economy and other than one transmission upgrade was still pulling big horse trailers in the Montana mountains last I heard. The same gentleman next built a a 1991 County with a really stout injected 454 but that owner was not as satisfied as he took his truck seriously offroad alot and it broke every possible driveline piece stock, and aftermarket upgraded, multiple times. The builder then built himself a 1994 LWB with a GM 6.5/4l80 and loves it. His latest big block conversion was my Discovery with the 500 Cadillac. All the trucks needed nothing except a heavier duty set of front springs to deal with the weight. The weak link in these conversions is the rover driveline. It just won't stand up if driven hard offroad with this kind of power. If you are just going to tow or occasionally do some light wheeling it will probably be fine but if you are going to really go trail bashing you will break all the Rover stuff no matter whose axles, flanges, joints, or carriers you use. I seriously wheel mine and I don't spare the horses which has led me to a complete conversion to 1 ton domestic truck driveline parts in search of reliability offroad. |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 01:37 am: |
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Clarke williams of Yeti Engineering does the 6.5 with an NV4500. Not sure what he does for a transfer case or axles, if anything. I'd love to see one of those things work.
superj, what part of the country are you in man? I'd love to see your big block install. I have so many questions I'd love to ask you.
-P |
Disco_Dad
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 04:51 am: |
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MY old shop instructor has a saying there is no substitute for cubic inches a 454 rat in a Disco
Yeah Baby
But that does not answer the posted question. Musky man brought up a good point about a turbo diesel Mercedes Benz engine, the larger 5 cyl ones. Also some one made a tranny ring for a Benz engine swap
I like the idea of a setup like that. Would a ZF hold up under that kind of torque? it would be a fun project. |
OTTO
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 07:00 am: |
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Shit Mercedes engines!
When you mean the 5cyl. 290GD engine forget it.
Lots of problems with it.The idea with the big 6.5GM engine is o.k .Somebody does it in southern Germany with a Defender 110.The ZF is strong enough for that but axel driveline and other problems.
I think this is not a low price setup!
Greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 08:42 am: |
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Otto,
The 6.5 is cheaper here in America than the 300 TDi. The 6.5 is also legal here, whereas the 300TDi is not an approved engine in many cases.
-P |
OTTO
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 09:04 am: |
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Hi guys!
Now for europe the 6.5 is an exotic engine.
I´ve got the TDI 300 in my Disco.
I tuned up the injectionpump to bring out more diesel and change the tubo to bring out 1.2 bar.
exhaustthermometer obligat.Temperatur between600-800C.This is qiute cool.
Power now 320-333Nm by 1400rpm. and about 135PS.
i think the engine is good for more than 200 000-300 000 km.Only the belt is the problem.but i got e flexibel endoskop to look after the belt.
greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
Disco_Dad
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 12:28 pm: |
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OTTO,
Why is this bad choice "5cyl? 290GD engine forget it"
I think this was the same engine I had in my 1985 MBZ 300D turbo, it was a solid engine.
Local MBZ mechanics had advised me the heads go bad on them really early. Mine never developed any head problems; it did have some minor oil blow by from the turbo.
The only major breakdown I had on it, the 3rd planetary gear exploded.
I got so mad and sold the car, after spending 2 weeks and several thousands on all new suspension hoses belts all the engine rubber, injectors it was running awesome for 1 day then bang.
A few years later I was sourcing an engine for my old RR I was thinking of a swap to a diesel.
I have been kicking around the idea of putting that type of engine in a ex MOD 109 this would IMO make this a nice PU / Trail Rig
Just a thought
Thanks for your input
Dee |
OTTO
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 03:11 pm: |
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Dee!
I mean the problems the Mercedes-benz mechanics told you.(very often headproblems)
And the power of the engine is more less than diesel-rover.A290GD or an 300GD Model461 or 463, i catch them evey time on the highways and offroad .OK they got a difflock in front and rear.But articulation is very bad.
For one Mercedes you can buy two Land Rovers and Mercedes are not hyper vehicels than all the others.
I think german cars are not the best cars in the world!,special Mercedes and BMW.Tey only cook with hot water as the others too.
You`ve heard about the sell of Rover from BMW!
It was the worst chapter in Rovers and BMWs history.
Greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
Disco_Dad
| | Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 01:02 am: |
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Thanks Otto,
If not a MBZ diesel what would be a good bullet proof alternative diesel in a 109 |
OTTO
| | Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 04:00 am: |
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I prefer a Peugot-2.5Diesel engine!
But i don`t know if this is an exotic Motor as the roverengines TDI200 or TDI300.
Than alternativ you can put a Mercedes in a Series of course!
greatings from good old Germany!
-OTTO- |
JEspelien (Superj)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 12:09 am: |
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By the way I am currently in the market for an LWB to convert to a 6.5 for use as a tow vehicle. If anybody can put me on the trail of a reasonably priced unit or even a basketcase I would appreciate it. |
Bill Bettridge (Billb)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 10:24 am: |
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You might want to check out this site also:
http://cgi2.x-pointcgi.com/~dieselrepower/
This guy does all cummins swaps - looks kinda
interesting |
Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 01:27 pm: |
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Bill,
I dont know how currnet this site is but it might be worth a look
http://www.roverpartsused.com/Rovers_for_Sale.htm,
Also This site will give you some other options.
http://www.landrovercentre.com/
And I found this one for ex MOD LR's
http://website.lineone.net/~accv/page3.html
Dee |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 01:31 pm: |
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No!!!!!!!!
No!!!!!!!!
Don't even think about that first link that Dee just posted.....
Run away!!! Run away!!!
-L |
Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 04:37 pm: |
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Leslie,
Why, Explain I have a friend who is looking into them |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 04:39 pm: |
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Go over to RN and post about 'em, and see what kind of response you get about Creed Evans.
I personally never bought anything, or rather, if the stories are true, sent money and rec'd rusty junk out of a field in return, but if even only 1/10th of the stories are true, then I'd definitely look elsewhere.
Caveat Emptor!!!!
-L |
Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 04:51 pm: |
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Thanks, Ill pass that on to him |
alhang
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 05:22 pm: |
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yes, i agree with leslie. if i remember correctly that creed guy even posted some good service remarks under a different name to save face. i think the roversnorth admin caught this and posted to the bbs. |
Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 06:41 pm: |
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Was he the one selling a car to someone while ther was still an open bid on Ebay? |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 09:39 pm: |
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Wouldn't surprise me. That would be minor compared to some things I heard. Someone went so far as to post some legal documents (I can't remember if it was a summons or a case summary or what exactly) that had to do with a previous fraud case.
If you could go up to his field of spares, pick through 'em and know what you have in hand, then bargain on the price, then I guess you might do okay. But most of the stories I remember are something to the effect that someone was looking for a part, paid for a used-"like new" condition part, then something would arrive which was in shoddy condition, might work, but wouldn't be trustable... if lucky, was rebuildable.
Again, caveat emptor.....
-L |
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