CV Joint / Suspension help needed

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Author Message   Jared Schnelle (Jared) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 04:01 pm:    I hear a loud pop when I turn my tires sharply, and a click-click-click while I drive at low speeds(going straight). I've read over some of the old posts and they seem to point fault at the CV joint or panhard rods. Can someone explain what the CV joint does, or link to a resource that contains suspension diagrams. I'd like to pull the wheels off and take a look at everything, but I want to know what to look for first. Thanks, The Newbie Mechanic, Jared.   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 04:25 pm:    Jared: The CV joint allows power to be transmitted to the front wheels, regardless of the orientation of the wheels relative to the vehicle. It is a drivetrain component,not suspension. It requires quite a bit more than just removing a wheel to inspect. I can walk you through it, but you might try using the search feature as I wrote up a pretty exhaustive explanation on how to get to it and how to disassemble it. If you really want to inspect your CV joint (which I wouldn't suggest, it sounds like you probably need one), begin at the wheel, disassemble everything until you get to the swivel housing. Grab ahold of the CV joint (it will be the thing with the splined end sticking out at you) and gently pull it from the truck. Be careful as it has the half-shaft attached (heavy and unwieldy). Once you get it out of the axle housing, use a soft-faced hammer and drive the CV joint from the half-shaft, remove the balls and cage and clean everything up. Chances are you will either instantly see that the bearing surfaces are torn up, or you won't see a thing. Then again, you might be greeted by little pieces falling out when you take the stub axle off. Feel free to e-mail me directly if you wish. I might be able to find some pictures for you. Peace, Paul   Jared Schnelle (Jared) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 04:41 pm:    Ahh, thanks Paul. I wrote suspension thinking drive-train. I'll do another search for the CV joint, in regards to your mention of a previous post. You can do a very quick inspection of the cv boot, right? If it's cracked, then there should be some suspicion of a CV problem? Also, how much more expensive is it to replace the axle rather than just the cv joint? I believe I heard this was the best approach. What's your opinion? Thanks, Jared   perroneford Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 04:49 pm:    There are no CV boots on a Land Rover unless you have a 1950's vintage. Visual inspection requires disassembly, and it's somewhat involved. It is unnecessary to replace an axle to deal with a CV, as new axles won't include the CV joint anyway. They are not one unit. The axle is held to the CV joint with a metal clip. Stock disco axles without the CV are about $500 for the pair anyway, so this is certainly not somehting you want to do unless you have to. -P   JB Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 05:06 pm:    http://www.yellowdefender.com/how_to_tips/c_v_repair/index.htm That is once you get it out. Follow the picts below to get this point.. http://www.spanishtrailrovers.com/Tech/Maintain/CV_Joint_Replacement/cv_joint_replacement.html it's not hard, just messy and I am guessing you bought this thing to get messy so here's your chance. This will be a $100 ( udoit) or a $1000 (theydoit)fix. It is up to you to decide which. let us know either way !   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 05:08 pm:    " There are no CV boots on a Land Rover unless you have a 1950's vintage. Visual inspection requires disassembly, and it's somewhat involved." Are you sure about that?   Jared Schnelle (Jared) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:23 pm:    This is exactly the type of information I'm looking for. Thanks everyone. My front right wheel gets a buildup of oil on the wheel there when I drive, so that's the first place to look, I suppose. I bet this whole assembly could use a good cleaning(greasing ? heh) anyhow. She's had a troubled past. The LR manual has scheduled tune-ups until about 50k; but, then I think a soccer mom got her, and .. you know the rest. I'll set some time / money aside to do this soon, so I'll let you guys know what I find. Landroverconnection has the CV joint at $350, is 100 a genuine price? If so, where? Thanks, Jared   perroneford Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:54 pm:    Well, I think the newest trucks with an independent suspension have boots, but it's my understanding that they don't use a CV, but use a u-joint. However, if you have information to the contrary, please share. -P   muskyman Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:02 pm:    dont all D2's have a booted cv?   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:19 pm:    Disco II's have CV's and boots. I'm not 100% sure about the Rangie 4.0/4.6 but I think they have a similar setup (but not the same) as the D2.   perroneford Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:22 pm:    Ah, Good to know. I've been around several D2's but never crawled around under one. I wonder what made LR decide to change the setup. -P   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:26 pm:    Lower cost and lower unsprung weight is my guess. Either way I think it was a bad move just like going away from full floating axles. Even though you could call them full float they're nothing like the easy to repair D1's, RRC and D90's.   muskyman Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:35 pm:    one more reason D1 is THE truck to own   Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:43 pm:    Nah... I just think I need to swap out the axles on my D2 with axles from a D1   muskyman Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:56 pm:    i would build custom axles first high pinion ford 9" with 1.75" 40 spline and any locker you want. never ever break anything ever ever ever.   Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 10:21 am:    Jared: You can get CV joints for about $150 from Mansfield Motors. MansfieldMotors.com. I haven't found any less expensive. Peace, Paul   JB Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:47 am:    Jared - Paul is dead-on as usual.. $100 was for an old classic range rover cv ...I was just enciting you to DIY... Muskyman - "never break anything ever" BS!!!..there will always be a weakest link.. even if it is the grey matter behind the wheel ;)