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Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 11:36 pm: | 
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I'm looking at some Warn SDB Series lights. Anybody have any advice or comments about them or are Hellas the way to go...or is there something better?
A |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 07:41 am: |
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Check the Lightforce lights. I'm getting ready to purchase a set myself. |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 08:42 am: |
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Thanks David. I'll have a look at those too.
A |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:11 am: |
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Alan,
Go Hella. Accept no substitutes. |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:34 am: |
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Are the lightforce lights a substitute? How is Hella not a substitute? |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:56 am: |
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Dave,
Lightforce lights are not even a substitute for Hellas. IPF's are excellent lights and are suitable substitute for Hella (although I still prefer Hella). But Lightforce is a substandard light. You can delude yourself and think otherwise, but that's the way it is. |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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Enlighten me John. How are they substandard? I've never seen a pair, so I'm unaware. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
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Dave, just get the Lightforces. You'll save $20 on them and you'll love them. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:50 pm: |
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You might to also consider PIAA. Here is a review:http://www.off-road.com/hummer/products/piaa/80pro.html
Jaime |
Buywarns
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:52 pm: |
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I doubt that hellas are any better than warn SBD lights. I had both and the SDB are better made and don't let water in and the body is stronger.
These come as a complete kit with nothing needed.
I never had to replace a bulb and work every time. Keep your over price hellas. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:53 pm: |
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the pro 80's are quality i had the same set on two different trucks working for 7 years now, thought the harness was lost in an engine fire. i passed them onto the new owener of my truck and i'm sure they will keep going for 7 more years.
good choice for tight fitting areas. but i do beleive the hella 4000's to be the best if you can fit them.
rd |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 12:56 pm: |
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Thanks for the response to my questions John. Your a real sport. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 01:44 pm: |
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john, i don't think you should knock on those giant maglites. we might end up selling the, seems like the mark up is real good. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 01:55 pm: |
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Jaime, yes I forgot to mention PIAA's. PIAA's are excellent in quality. I think Hella, IPF, and PIAA are all equivalent in quality. I just prefer Hella over IPF and PIAA because I like the way the Hellas look and I like the two-dial mounting system on the Hella 4000's.
And Dave, I'm a real sport and you are a real 
Just like all cheap fucks, you think the world owes you something. You seem to think I owe you an explanation for why I prefer Hellas and you're actually pissed off when you can't get some free advice. That's the very reason why I didn't even bother explaining myself to you. Stick with the Lightforce. You'll save some money and you'll love them. |
James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:15 pm: |
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giant maglites! fucking hilarious!!!
Jaime; currently slumming it in Bogata, Columbia |
Carter Simcoe (Carter)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:44 pm: |
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Can you get lightforce lights with NASCAR logos on them???
http://www.casexx.com/nascar_maglites.htm
-Carter |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:19 pm: |
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LOL john sometimes you just have a way with words... it makes me blush.
the hella 4000's have the best mounting, i really like the big knobs for adjusting. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:47 pm: |
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Out here in the 110+ degree desert, my hellas spent 3 years on my jeep cherokee, and have been burning for 4 years now on my disco. No bulb burnouts, no water ingress, no problemos. Those Mexicans sure know how to make 'em. |
gp (Garrett)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:58 pm: |
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oh that one on there blue spent many years on my parents jeep then on my vw. then it was reborn the day i sent it off to the heat infested state.
now i am running some older hella 2000s that i love. shit. the mexicans made my VW and that thing was great. |
LR Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:55 pm: |
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I have one thing to say: Don't get Procomp lights. Sure, it cost me only 35 bucks for two 130 watt lights, but they suck. They just really badly suck.
Max T. |
Clif Ashley (Cta586)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 10:57 pm: |
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Ive just wired up 2 Hella 3000s and 2 Hella 500s on my roof rack this past weekend, and they are brighter than hell, and look great. I am the second or third owner of the 3000s and they keep on burning... FWIW |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 08:25 am: |
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John, your an idiot. You really enjoy flaming people. Yet you add no value to this string or board.
Don't offer any suggestions if you can't supply information to back them up. Personal opinion is one thing, experience is another.
Everyone on this board is a "cheap fuck". That's why we all ask each other questions about products and services. I would imagine you would know this as a business and service provider. Get your head out of your ass, maybe you would make a few more sales. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 10:44 am: |
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I initially started to use some IPF's, but switched over to Hella 4000's. I love them. I do have IPF J-01's on the bumper from the advice of a friend, but haven't really had a chance to use them yet. I used the 4k's a few times this past weekend and they seem great.
I chose them mainly due to good remarks from people whose opinion I value. I also liked the way they mount and adjust. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 11:34 am: |
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Dave,
I can supply all the information I want. I just don't want to supply any information to you. For one thing, you expect it. That's a real kiler. Also, it's a waste of my breath.
No, not everyone on this board is a cheap fuck. That is an honor that you and some others hold. Don't bring everyone else down to your level. I notice Alan Yim was thinking about Hellas and you encouraged him to get some Lightforces instead, even though you admit you have never even seen them. Why? Because you are too fucking cheap to to spend the extra $20 on some Hella 4000's. In other words, you are a cheap fuck. You are ashamed of this, but won't admit it. And so you try to make the rest of the world a bunch of cheap fucks too, i.e., more like you. You're pathetic.
And I may be a moron, but at least I know the difference between "you're" and "your". You stupid fuck. |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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John, you should not assume I was pushing the Lightforce to save $20. I NEVER stated that. In fact, I like them because of the ability to switch between lense covers, to suit the weather and conditions.
I also suggested that Alan "check them out". I was buying a pair to have a look at them myself, since I don't know anyone first hand who has a set.
Once again, try to offer something to the board.
Again, YOU ARE an idiot. Continue to flame away so people can understand how much of a jerk you tuly are. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 12:22 pm: |
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"you should not assume I was pushing the Lightforce to save $20. I NEVER stated that"
So you NEVER stated that? You say this as if it had some meaning. When did I ever say you stated it? I never did. A cheap fuck never admits he's a cheap fuck. My previous post even said that you're ashamed of being a cheap fuck and you won't admit you are a cheap fuck.
So you want the Lightforce so that you can tailor the beams to the conditions? Get real. If you knew anything about lights you would know that the Lightforce lights are pieces of crap. The beams are full of holes in the light pattern, just like the Mag-Lite. And if you broaden the beam, most of the light is directed toward the sky or the ground and is lost. Total pieces of crap. Lightforce lights are also as big a frying pan to make the cheap fuck buyer think he's getting more light for the money. Lightforce lights are also made cheaply and priced accordingly to appeal to the cheap fuck. Everything about Lightforce's marketing and manufacturing strategy is directed toward cheap fucks who want the best of both worlds and the most bang for the buck. It's also directed toward people who know nothing about lights. Obviously, Lightforce's cheap fuck marketing worked on you. I'll even bet that you were psyched up about having some "F16 cockpit material" on your Land Rover.
And BTW, it's "lens". Not "lense". Go back and finish grade school and learn a little about lights before you call other people morons. |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 02:07 pm: |
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LOL...holy smokes. Never anticipated that my question would cause this. Maybe I should just strap a couple of flashlights to my bumper. LOL
But seriously, thanks for all the discussion. I was able to filter out what I needed to know.
A |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 02:11 pm: |
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I'm a cheap fuck!
LOL, the things I could add after that statement! |
Mike Holmes (Myktoolbox)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 03:00 pm: |
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Somebody needs to outline what constitutes a cheap fuck. I'm so confused, I have the Hellas, but only bought the 48" Hi-Lift. I have the full OME lift, not the cheap bastard, but ride on Big O tires. See what I mean?
Very confusing.... |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 03:17 pm: |
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mike, having some identity crisis there? how do you truely feel inside? like a cheap bastard? or a stupid bastard?.. or just plain bastard?  |
Mike Holmes (Myktoolbox)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:42 pm: |
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a little of each  |
Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:55 pm: |
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I'm a laughing bastard!!!
Good thread boys! |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:59 pm: |
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what big o's are you running?
-another big o bastard |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 05:07 pm: |
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i know who my father is but i still feel like a bastard, what do i do?
rd |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 05:47 pm: |
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who's yer daddy? |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 05:55 pm: |
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vader. |
michael burt (Mikeyb)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 06:10 pm: |
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uh...i don't know if alan is still reading, but i have a pair of the smaller sdb's on my bumper and piaa pro80's on the rack. as soon as i find enough change on the street i will probably add a second pair of pro80's on the rack. i like the warns well enough. it is nice to be able to change the pattern from the drivers seat to get a different look at stuff. is it any better than anything else? who the hell knows. i like 'em though.
and while i am not necessarly a cheap fuck, i like to fuck.
mike |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 07:04 pm: |
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I'm a mudder freakin' bastard. Yo Adrian!!!
Go Yankees!! |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 07:54 pm: |
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Hey Mike,
Thanks for the extra info.
A |
michael burt (Mikeyb)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 11:06 pm: |
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bienvenue, alan. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:26 am: |
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Wow, I must be really cheap as I have the CB lift, but BFG TAs. I originally bought the Chinese hi-lift and then bought the real thing! I drive a Disco, but eat generic macaroni and cheese. I have an ARB bumper, but no winch.
I'm so cheap my carry gun is a Rossi!
Oh yeah, I wear a Rolex, but don't drink Starbucks (the Rolex is on a velcro band, held in with paper clips as the Jubilee bracelet broke and I'm too cheap to buy a new one!).
Peace,
Paul |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:58 am: |
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Now that's a cheap SOB! And I TOLD you not to buy that cheap-ass hi-lift!
A Rossi? Don't they make sparkling wine? Get rid of that thing and buy a Glock. Oh wait, don't want to get flamed. Get a Sig/HK/Kimber/Baer/Para or something else respectable. Only Cheap Bastards buy Glocks.
-P |
Mike Holmes (Myktoolbox)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:13 am: |
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"what big o's are you running?"
Blue-
I have the 265/75 16 A/T's. I actually like them quite a bit although I may try one of their two mud terrain tires (MT or XT) next time around. Their warranty is great too. |
Eric Ratermann (Ericrat)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:22 pm: |
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I don't have a bumber or a winch, but I do have a genuine 60 inch High lift.
I have Dunlop radial rover r/t's and a cheap bastard lift.
My carry gun in Kimber and I wear an early '40's Hamilton.
Obviously, I am a Gemini.
Eric |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:09 pm: |
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Kinda interesting we have some horologists (watch people) in here. I do a bit of collecting of fine timepieces myself. My normal daily was an early 50s Omega with sub-seconds, but I must admit I just bought a digital timex to wear daily because of daily sports activities.
Anyone else here into watches?
-P |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:29 pm: |
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P, my father just passed away (3 weeks ago) and left me a bunch of pocket watches (the ones with the covers and chain). I don't know anything about them other than the make. Where do you recommend I go for some reliable info? Any info would be appreciated. He also left me a 1941 Ford (fully restored) which I have to find out how to import back into the states.
Thanks,
John C. |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:44 pm: |
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Sorry to hear about your father passing. That is probably the worst way to come into this hobby but a very common one.
I suggest you drop by your local bookstore, and pick up a copy of a book called "Complete Price Guide to Watches". The Author will be Cooksey Shugart. In the hobby, we refer to it simply as "Shugart's". In there you will learn the value of your watches, history of the watches, and all kinds of good info. You can then have your watches apprasied by someone licensed to do it like a master watchmaker.
While Tallahassee doesn't have many things, I am blessed to have a very excellent watchmaker in town who handles all my watches. I suggest you spend some time asking around where you live to find someone similar.
What kind (make) of watches are they? Are they Gold, Silver, or Stainless? Anyway, feel free to drop an email if you have more questions. I'd be happy to help.
-P |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:57 pm: |
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Thanks P. I'll pick up a copy of the book. I'll make a list of what I have and send it to you if you don't mind. I'll probably take some pics also.
Thanks again.
John C. |
Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:06 pm: |
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John,
I'm also very sorry to hear about your father.
I have a close friend that use to work over at Sutherby's (SP??)here in the city.
I belive she knows people in the jewlery/watch department if you want a second to Perrone's opinion.
Carl |
Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:12 pm: |
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Oh yea,
I also have a couple of pocket watches, and my daily wear is my Longines or Altanus.
Carl |
John Cinquegrana (Johnc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:14 pm: |
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Thanks Carl. I'll keep that in mind. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:45 pm: |
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Well, I'm a cheap bastard as well. Hell, I was trying to buy some USED Michelin XL's!
Oh, I have a 15 yr old Sieko mechanical wind diver's watch, and my father gave me his old Hamilton when he got his Rolex.
John, I am also sorry to hear about your father. My condolences. |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:52 pm: |
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John C,
My condolences also.
Watches, mine's the same thing as Greg's, a Seiko self-winding dive watch, only after I wore out the first couple of rubber wrist straps, I replaced it with a metal one, and it's been ticking since, as long as I wear it (take it off, and it'll run down quickly anymore... used to make it a week, then a few days, now, it'll lose a minute overnight... ought to have it resprung, I suppose)....
I have a G-shock that was my field watch, but, I got to where I never bothered to find it and just wore the Seiko instead....
Nuthin' fancy, tho'......
-L |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:03 pm: |
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Sorry to hear about your dad John.
Talking about watches, I don't think I even make it into the cheap bastard category then, cause I've got a fossil blue stainless that I picked up on clearance for $25.00 that works just fine.
Also have a seiko at home, but I rarely ever wear it.
Nothing too fancy though, as I go through watches, hats, and shoes like they are in endless supply. I never can understand how I can destroy these things so fast, but I can wear them out faster than anyone. |
michael burt (Mikeyb)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:21 pm: |
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sorry as well john...
i wear a heuer (before they became tagheuer). but i have a cadre of cheap watches that i wear more often. i have had the heuer since '86.
i carry a hk .40 and i am looking at a kimber .45 as a better carry. the hk is a usp and is a little big.
i am not sure if any of that makes me a cheap bastard. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
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Oh yeah, I left out the carry piece. Mine is nothing fancy, but reliable:
S&W 357 mag with 2" snub |
Mike Rupp (Mike_Rupp)
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Luminox "Navy Seals" watch. Stainless w/ rubber band. I didn't get it because of the Seals logo, but for the tritium markings. I am kind of obsessive about knowing what time it is. This watch allows me to know what time it is when I wake up in the middle of the night. Had the Timex indiglo, but the battery life was very poor. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:27 pm: |
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John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:29 pm: |
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Black Luminox with black nylon band. This is currently my favorite watch. It's very functional and nice. I glove the glowing indicia on the dial. This watch isn't cheap shit, but it is cheap enough that I don't want to put a hole in my head if I smash it against something while wrenching or wheeling and break it. Whenever it gets dirty I just wear it into the shower and scrub it down with some soap and an old toothbrush until its squeaky clean again.
My nicer watches are in cold storage with my guns. Haven't worn them since I quit my desk job. |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:35 pm: |
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Hey John,
I'm REALLY into watches and can help you if you've got any questions. And definately stay away from Tourneau! My daily wear is also an Omega Perrone, Stainless Seamaster automatic blue dial. I actually got a really great deal on a Tiffany Dress watch I was gonna post on E-bay, if anyones interested. It's a stainless Tiffany Atlas w/a charcoal face. Beautiful watch, brand new, never worn. Very classy. Oh and John Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoggie!!! LOL |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:48 pm: |
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into watches?
what is your opinion on master banker? any good? |
Eric Ratermann (Ericrat)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:02 pm: |
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I have fairly small wrists which is one of the reasons I like '40s American watches. I live in Cincinati so I have a proper facination with Gruens as well.
I am looking for a small(ish) chronograph. I would love a Tag, being into motorsports, but they tend to be overly large for me.
With all this horological talk, I would welcome a suggestion.
Eric |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:15 pm: |
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Master Banker? Master Shit.
These are my two favorite watches:
http://www.omegawatches.com/lux-example/img/bdwatch/soldat_gd/35725000.jpg
http://www.rolex.com/oyster/big/a16610-pr-ac-oy-ad-no-no.jpg
Wear one of those while you're cleaning your Heckler & Koch PSG-1 and you're in Heaven. |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:24 pm: |
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Hey Ho,
That's like someone saying they're into cars and you asking them what they think of Rolls Royce! When you mentions names like Franck Muller and Patek Philippe you can't even call them watches! You must refer to them as timepieces!!! LOL Eric, alot of quality watch makers offer different size options not just mens and womens. Find a crown size you like and look for watches close to that size. |
Kim S (Roverine)
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I bought Greg a Luminox dive watch - I like it so much, I was wondering if they made anything like it for women. I can be pretty rough on my watches at times. (Mike, I gotta say, I like the glow in the dark, easy to read time aspect of it as well). Only problem is my wrist is so small I have to practically get kid's sizes. It's a real PITA.
Kim |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:39 pm: |
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Oh yeah, (forgot why I was reading this thread in the first place, LOL) Right now i have a pair of IPF 900's on the front bumper. BTW, I finally got a new front bumper (ARB for D2) ... I have a question ... (man, I know I'm going to get stuff thrown at my head for this one  )
Could I put some little fog lights in those two empty rectangular spaces on the very bottom? (I still have the wiring set up for my old fog lights) Anyone done this? What type? Would they just get smashed to smitherines?
Kim |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:39 pm: |
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but frank muller really makes the movement? or they just use some generic shit and dress them up for master banker? |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:45 pm: |
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Kim,
Luminox makes 3/4" Navy SEAL watches: http://www.luminox.com/catalog/catalog3.asp
George Saitanis had the fogs next to his fairlead on his ARB D2 bar: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/arb/0005.jpg
I think the fogs from the Rice Machines will fit the slots in the ARB bar. I think you're just asking for light breakage though. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:49 pm: |
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Admit it Ho. You want that Master Pimp on your wrist. Come clean now... |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:51 pm: |
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http://astoronline.com/xq/ASP/prod_id.281/qx/cache/image275.gif
Purple Rain...Purple Rain....Purple Rain...Purple Rain.... |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:52 pm: |
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john 
actually, the pimp in me would settle for the presidential rolex in gold. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:57 pm: |
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Here's the perfect weapon to accompany your dream Master Pimp:
http://www.hkpro.com/image/mp5kengraved.jpg |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:59 pm: |
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Thanks, John!
That 3/4" luminox navy seal watch above is on my X mas list!! (hmmmmmm, maybe I should print this thread, and casually leave it lying around ..  )
The light pic on George's truck: That's exactly what I was thinking about as far as the fog lights ... And yes, I was thinking about breakage issues as well. hmmmmmm .... 
Kim |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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holy shit John, who dipped that MP5 in pimp juice? I can just see Ho whippin that out in LA traffic and lighting up the place...leaning out of his pimp disco with a pimp watch on his pimp wrist and "spraying the area."
Rolex Submariner, GMT Master, or better yet - the Sea Dweller (but gotta have extra style to pull off the huge hunk of metal on your wrist).
Holmes - I've run Big O AT's on my jeep, AT dual grooves on the disco, Pathmax on a couple silverados, and currently have the XT's on the disco. The XT's are best by far. They need to redesign MT or XT with more shoulder wrap-around lugs though. |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:21 pm: |
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Ho, Franck Muller really makes the movement! And, if you do get a Rollie you're gonna have to trade the Disco in for a Escalade w/23" chromes! LOL |
blueboy
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Drop out of the real world into the third world and see how things changed. Blue hit mine for daily wear - a 70s version of the GMT master. Really comes in handy for the various time zones I can{t sleep in. Last check-up cost more than the original cost of it, yet, keeps on going and the insurance will more than pay for a new one if someone likes it too much. Yes Ho, the big P is a cool one. It doesn{t see much daylight unfortunately especially where I travel.
Jaime |
Kim S (Roverine)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:40 pm: |
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I haven't laughed this hard for some time!! LOL, Blue, yeah, I kind of got the same mental picture in my head. John is too fast with that stuff ...
ROFLMAO,
Kim |
Will Bobbitt (Rkores)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:07 pm: |
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I have a 1989 Camel Trophy Green Belt! A few Timexs and a Freestyle watch. That's my wonderful watch Knowledge.
Will |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:44 pm: |
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Seiko Kinetic... Rolex Explorer,, How would you guys compare a Hella 4000 to a hella HID |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:10 pm: |
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Nice assortment of watches mentioned. I have that Omega as a daily wear, a VERY rare Lip, a Breitling before they were issued the AOPA logo but it is a "Breitling Premier" two dial chronograph. I haven't had it traced, but my best guess puts it at early '40s. I have another simple movement Omega, and early Bulova quartz (gift), and a few other less interesting pieces.
Next on the list I think is a Seamaster Auto Chrono, and then a Rolex Air King or older Sea Dweller. A Heuer Daytona would be a real treat and I lost an EBay bid for one 2 years ago by less than $5.
I noticed someone said they had a P.P., but I couldn't have one. I'd be nervous as hell wearing it anywhere! Power to you for having it though.
-P |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:12 pm: |
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patek filip
WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTS |
perroneford
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:27 pm: |
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Hella HID and be done with it.
-P |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:33 pm: |
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I could buy one HID or 2 4k's just wondered how much the HID outperform the 4k's |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:17 pm: |
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i thought one HID could buy enouhg lighting for everyone here. |
Jeremy Katka (Jkatka)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:02 am: |
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I have a Stocker Yale 590 watch. Its a great watch and has held up to alot. After 6 years it has yet to let me down. If you can find one at a military surplus I recommend picking one up.
JK |
Brian (Rover_Wannabe)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:56 am: |
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I just wanted to add that I don't know much about watches, nor do I know much about off road lights. But I do know alot about fuck, which was posted in the beginning of this thread.
There is my $.02 |
David Marchand (Dmarchand)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:27 am: |
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Hey Kim,
In response to those lights in the ARB, I contacted George a while back and he gave me the light PN. I installed them as well, the brand is Pilot, I forget the PN and I'll have to do some looking around for it. But you can get them at any Autozone. Just measure the holes and then go down there. They run $20, come in either driving light or amber fog. I installed the driving light.
Yes, they are prone to breakage. In fact, they are also extremely prone to water ingress, as I learned many times over. You have to remember they are at one of the worst clearance points on the dII. I went the route of just siliconing them into the hole, making it easier to replace them when needed.
If you can't find the lights locally, contact me and I'll head down to the Autozone and pick up a few for you. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:29 am: |
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Kim,
Another alternative to putting fogs down there is to go with the IPF J-01 on the light tabs. They are both a fog/driving in one unit. Although, they do cost more than $20. |
ScottP
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:47 am: |
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I must really be a cheap bastard, I've yet to actually change anything on my newly aquired 98 Disco, and I wear a titanium Seiko Kinetic daily. I do however own a few old Waltham pocket watches, a fairly nice silver kendall & dent pw, one of those neat Seiko Kinetic's with the glass bottom a couple of Bulovas and occasionally wear a 50's Dugena pocketwatch... Oh yeah I forgot one thing, .45 H&K USP Compact. It's almost strange how well I fit in here. |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:38 am: |
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Damn, I almost forgot. I've got several Swatch Watches from the 80's in a drawer upstairs. |
Matt Milbrandt (95discovery)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:46 am: |
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Shit, none of the real pimps wear Rolex, Padek, or even Cartier; if you want to be a true baller you best get yo gear from here.
Ohh yeah, and I have been extremely happy with my Hella 4000s.
Matt |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:48 am: |
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Okay........... I think Mr. Davis just took the prize with the swatch watches............
Got those stored with the members only jackets?? |
Mike Holmes (Myktoolbox)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:51 am: |
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swatches? did they come with a can of hairspray to get that "flock of seagulls" look?
btw, the one with only the black "X" on it sometimes sells for a lot of cash on ebay. got that one?
mike holmes
swiss army watch wearer - because i like it |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:57 am: |
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greg, i see you and i shop for our iced out bling bling at the same stores..
rd |
JR
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:18 am: |
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Perrone,
any thoughts on the Panerai's. The Marina Automatic to be exact. That is my next watch, nice and clean. My daily wear is a Rolex Explorer II black face. My weekend wear is a Tag Kirium w/rubber strap or what I call a retro Tag 300 Series will Blue Face. Do you have any for sale in your collection? |
perroneford
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:29 am: |
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I've never heard of Panerai. Where are they from? I've only dealt with Swiss or American watches and Damn few American watches. I almost traded a guy my Brietling for is IWC, but decided against it.
Heuer was sort of ruined once they converged with Tag. It's become much more commercial now, and they've gotten away from the fine watchmaking they used to do. They do make good daily wear watches though.
And no, nothing in my collection is for sale at the moment. I still love every watch that I own. I have a few on the buy list yet to go, so I won't be selling anything for quite a time.
-P |
Brian (Rover_Wannabe)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:05 am: |
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I have one word for all you watch ppl. TIMEX! |
perroneford
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:15 am: |
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Yep.
Wearing one right now...
-P |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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Mike, no, just have a plain charcoal gray one and a multi-colored
one, along with some of the rubber crystal protectors. Hey, I was young back then! |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:25 am: |
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Oh, and I love my Hella 4000's! Whew, finally added some pertinent info to this post! |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:10 pm: |
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www.sierratradingpost.com is having some deals on "swiss army" watches. victornox brand i think
like 60-75% off some styles
rd |
JR
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:23 pm: |
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Perrone,
Panerai is an Italian watch originally made for the Italian Navy divers. Very nice... |
perroneford
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:37 pm: |
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Oh I see...
Never much looked at diving watches other than perhaps the Sea-Dweller and the Seamaster. I have a Seamaster so I've really not looked any farther.
What's the depth rating on those Panerai?
-P |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:55 pm: |
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i just got this mag here at work with a rolex oyster perpetual GMT master II
looks pretty cool. it claims
"superlative chronometer"
rd |
JR
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:11 pm: |
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Rob, superlative chronometer is a fancy term that the movement is certified to function properly. That probably added another $1000 to the price of the watch.
Panerai depth on base model is 300M and the Submersible model is 1000M. Similar to Rolex. |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:16 pm: |
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i'd be dead under 20 ft of water. LOL |
JR
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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I cant swim, but my watch will survive. ha |
John Lee
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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What's funny is that when Rolex claims its watches are Superlative Chronometers, it doesn't make you crack up.
Contrast that with Lightforce's claim:
"Like all Lightforce lights, our trademark filter system allows you to change the color or pattern of the beam in seconds. The brightest light, more durable, waterproof and easiest to install. This is no poser. This is the best light ever made!"
Whom you believe, Rolex or Lightforce? |
perroneford
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:30 pm: |
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Neither. |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:31 pm: |
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My certified superlative chronometer has lost time from the first day I put it on my wrist. I know very few Rolex owners who feel that their watches keep time well. Mine has been repaired three times (dropped it!) and sent back to Switzerland once to have the pivots restaked and it still loses about a minute or two a day. I set it five minutes ahead every Monday morning.
For many years I used to say that owning a Rolex means your parents make far too much money and don't care what time it is. Part of the reason I don't take mine off when wrenchin' or 'wheelin'-and it's so beat up, you wouldn't be able to tell the new damage. Tomorrow, it will have had it 19 years.
Paul |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:45 pm: |
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Paul,
That's what I'm having w/ my Seiko now.... it was dead-on for the first few years I owned it, and it'll stay accurate during the day while I wear it. But when I take it off in the evening and put it on in the morning, it's lost a minute or so.
But, I still like it. If I want to be accurate on the time, I check it on the GPS anyway....
Ho,
If you had a watch rated for 50ft of water, yes, it could lie there under 20ft of water and it should be okay. But, if you move it while under that 20ft of water, then it may not resist the pressure, and leak. Basic recreational diving is usually limited to about a few hundred feet, if that, mostly under 100 feet actually... so, if say the max you would ever dive is 300 feet, ie, 100 yards, then convert to metric, but round it up to be safe, ie, 100m, then double it, ie, a watch like mine rated to 200m, then it should be okay for any diving that I would do. If you were a deep-sea Navy diver, though, you may go far below that, and need something rated for more....
FWIW....
-L |
Chu Son
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:56 pm: |
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Hmmm...I think I have now decided whether I want Warn or Hella. Thanks everyone for the info I needed to make my decision.
chu |
John Lee
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No Chu. Go Lightforce. And then put some $20 Rice Racer lights behind the cut-outs on your bumper. You can even put some colored contact lenses on your Lightforces for some added BAM! |
Dee
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 03:48 pm: |
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Well i wear an Omega SeaMaster to me its better built than the overpriced Rolex. The wife wanted to get me a Rolex Speed-Master for the 40th a few years back. I chose the James Bond Omega insted. Now if i can only figure out how to get the laser to work?
As for lights im not much of a night driver id rather sit around the campfire swaping lies and popping corks. but i do have 6 130W 8" Pro Comps, waiting to install. (( Dan wheres my plugs)) it seems there not as popular east as are the overpriced popular name brand stuff but for me they will do same also or most drivers needs and budget.
To me unless your running the Baja 1000 alone or need you need 12 Billion candle power then cut the chase and go for something like the HELLA 4000 HID MOTORSPORTs |
John Lee
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:34 pm: |
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Overpriced Rolex and overpriced Hellas?
I didn't know Rolex made a Speed-Master.
Dee, just curious. How many times have you been off road? |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:01 pm: |
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Okay Folks,
Being a new owner of 4 Hella 4k's and a dual beam back up light, I am thoroughly impressed with Hella products. Last weekend at the MAR, it felt as if I was "uncanning" the sun when I switched them on. I am now curious to see what the Hella HID's are capable of.
Why did I purchase Hella?"
#1 Reputation: After having several conversations with folks from this BBS, I heard nothing but good things about the Hella. Turn on Speed Channel and watch any off road race to include the Baja 1000 or even the Paris to Dakar Rally. You will see a lot of Hellas getting the crap beat out of them for miles on end and they just keep working.
#2 Construcion: Compare the different light manufacturers on design, materials used and mounting. The Hella 4K casing is constructed out of metal which will take a snapping branch a lot better than crap plastic. Take a closer look at the Hella and you will notice that lens removal for bulb replacement requires an allen key for the hex head screws removal. Just one more example of their tough design philosophy.
#3 Installation: I purchased 3 Hella wire harnesses with the lights. These harnesses came pre-wired with proper rated Hella relays and in-line fuses. Plus, the schematics were simple enough to read for custom wiring into your vehicle switches.
Paul
'00 Pig |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:04 pm: |
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This is a pic that I took of the Pig last weekend. The two lights on the bumper are IPF JO-1 dual stage lights. The lights on the rack are the Hella 4K's. If all of those lights were turned off, that area of the woods would have been completely dark.
Paul
'00 Pig |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
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i agree- get the hella 4Ks.i have 3 on my front bumper...they are wonderful. I made the mistake of buyin some cheap procomp 130's for my rack and they are coming off tommorow.... |
Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:33 am: |
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Well John,
I think I know where you�re going with this, Ill save you the trouble
I never claimed to be an Off-Road God some day maybee. I never giving advice on technical driving its not my forte. I should have passed on this one; it was just my personal comment on light choices. I worded it wrong I was seeking some advice on the PC 130�s. I have 6 sitting on the shelf waiting to be installed and was trying to feel good about the money i saved buying them.
Yes it�s true I have not done much off-road night driving, the times I have I only had the use of a portable spot light it got me to the through nothing too tough So mounting 6 130 up front will be a vast improvement from hanging the spot out the window
No I don�t have your vast Expedition Experience and I may never so I guess then that I will never get on the cover of a Magazine.
And I believe I have been Off-Road Zero times this year unless you count dirt campgrounds in my Motor Home.
As you may or may not know I trashed my engine en-root to Big Bear in Jan and have not cared to deal with it until recently. Ill blame it on my medical problems and lack of motivation also working 2 jobs and tending to my family I�ve not had much time to deal with fixing my toy, its not my daily driver so no urgency I guess.
I'm under the knife next Tuesday major surgery to my lower spine, if all comes out ok and I don�t need a Wheel Chair ill catch up with some of my DWeber�s later this year for some fun. Then you can talk shit about my alleged inexperience, but don�t slam me because you�re bored and want a DWeb fight..
I did misquote it was the Rolex Submariner, I had it and returned it to the Jewelers and IMO and there�s the Omega Sea Master is a far superior watch and has not lost one second since I�ve owned it
Paul,
It looked like you had fun at MAR where the G rated pics? I think I drove by your plant last weekend is it near the airport in Philly? I was in Delaware last weekend for a wedding� Nice country but ill never complain about the California Drivers again..
I do like your light setup, on My Disco I�m looking for the light as an emergency & occasional use and IMO the Pro Comps are just as good as the IPS. They two are metal cast and seem to be well made most likely from the same company�
I did see 4 of Hellas HID mounted on a bumper of a F250 in action there the next best thing to daylight $$$$ per light
Will,
What is it you don�t like about the Pro Comps?
I looked at the Rallye 4K also the IPF 900s and lastly the Pro-Comp 130, the 130 won me on the price and on paper looked equal the IPF 900.
Maybe I will sell my watch and buy a set of HID's |
Chris Browne
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FWIW (which ain't much I know) the IPF 960s (130 watt)on my bumper are rust free after four new england winters, on original bulbs |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
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That's good Chris....considering how harsh your winters are. I was eye balling the 960's before I made my final decision to go with the Hellas. Honestly, I had a 960 in 1 hand and a 4000 in another hand. But decided to go with the Hella.
I guess it still comes down to what the individual buyer is looking for. Just as long as when you hit the on switch, the light comes on.
Dee,
If you drove by the Philly Airport, you definately saw the Boeing plant. Got a call yesterday and I might have to go home 2 weeks early. This is good because 11 months on the road is starting to wear me out.
Oh Yeah, HID's = Truck Porn!
Paul
'00 Pig |
Will Roeder (Will_Roeder)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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Dee,
I just dont like the light they gave out...about 2 days after i got mine i rode in a friends truck with 4 of these on his jeep, and i just didnt like htem---although they are still great for the money.
another reason im taking them off is because i am taking off my roof rack,so no way to mount them anymore |
Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 11:21 am: |
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Thanks Will, I'll probably think the same when i put them on but i guess it gets down to you get what you pay for...
Paul i feel your pain with that road warrior crap its tough on a person. Did it for 20 years... |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 11:49 am: |
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"Dee, just curious. How many times have you been off road?"
John, I'm curious to know how many years have you been off roading? |
John Lee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
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Moe, I think I've been wheeling for four years or so. If my memory serves, I bought my Disco in 97.
Dee, it's unfortunate you're going into surgery again, but please don't pull the surgery card when you have nothing else to go on. That's pathetic. |
Milan
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 12:42 pm: |
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Dee,
I have an Omega Seamaster. The bugger was fine until I bought a Disco. Now it keeps stalling just like the LR used to - unexpectedly. I also have a Swiss copy of a Rolex Submariner (Little Switzerland brand sold in the islands only). Same mechanism but synthetic jewels and put together by not-a-Rolex company. Works great. I like the Seamaster much better but my Jeweler says the Rolex is usually much more finished inside than the Omega or my buddy's Breitling.
As to the lights, I prefer just 2 or 4 good ones. On tight trails I find fog light lenses working very well. On a tight trail you usually go slow and you want to see as wide as possible. You don't need the distance. Rocks and trees get lit up by the fogs well and you don't blind the guy in front. Although, if it's totally dark, even the fogs are blinding. Then we let just the first guy light up the trail and we follow closely. For distance I have couple of PIAA 520s. I like their durability and good light in a small package. When my headlights and fog lights were covered in brown ice from the winter slush on the road, I could not see couple of feet in front of the hood. Took the covers off the PIAAs and bingo light on even after they got just as covered as the other lights. I used Hella fogs and Hella headlight conversion before and did not like the results. Nowdays I belive there are better lights than Hellas but I have no direct experience with the higher priced ones. Then again higher priced PIAAs or IPFs seem to be just as good and in stainless steel or aluminum housings. We also don't go for the expedition equipment much here as roof racks and lights up high get caught on branches and even steel cased lights get broken off. Limb risers might help but I only know of one truck using them and I only wheeled with him once. I guess multiple lights must be good for open spaces like the desert and you'd wnat them high for visibility and to keep them out of rocks.
I saw the Warns in the shop only and while they loog good, I think I'd take a steel cased Hella over the Warn plastic deal. Especially here in cold climate. Plastics just crack. Maybe not right away but eventually. And it does not matter if they're inside or outside the vehicle. I hate plastic. But hey it does not rust and I hate rust even more than plastic. |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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John, give yourself more credit. That is a total of five years. Given that you are self identified authority on wheeling and Land Rovers, you must be a quick learner--or about 80% full of bullshit |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:02 pm: |
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This thread is like comparing a streamlight to a maglite... Now isnt it Ho ?
Kyle |
chu son
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:07 pm: |
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Well you know how it is. Some people play tennis for 20 years and a guy comes and whups their ass after 2 years. So with that, I don't agree that # of years = studliness.
chu |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:10 pm: |
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Ofcourse you dont Chu , because you havnt been out there that long... And this aint tennis..
Kyle |
Chu Son
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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Kyle,
sure, I haven't been out there long, so I can't talk for anyone other than myself. But, if everyone who's been out there since the 70s can run around and say they're all-knowing, I'd see some problem with that. Wouldn't you? Or would you say that time=knowledge and skill?
chu |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:28 pm: |
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chu, time = money,
not knowledge and skill. LOL |
Chu Son
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:33 pm: |
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I wish that were true. I'd only be getting richer! Unfortunately, I don't think that one works either.
chu |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:46 pm: |
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Well , as you know , we are surrounded and outnumbered by idiots.
So a large percentage of those that have been out there since the 70s really didnt pick up/retain much knowledge.
You campare it to tennis though which is really all about just hitting a fuzzy ball.
This sport requires many skills from many different arenas to truley be "Good" at it.
On the other hand , I think the word "Experienced" came up. The guy that started in the 70s is certainly more "Experienced" then you or John is , NOW , what he did with that experience and what he gained from it is a whole other story.
What do you consider being "Good" at this sport is ?
Kyle |
Kyle
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:49 pm: |
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Perceptions on this are always a fun topic , perhaps we should have a new thread on it in General.
Kyle |
Chu
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 03:07 pm: |
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Well, the only reason tennis came up was because of my bad experience with a kid last night. Oh well. Possible poor choice of analogy, but was nevertheless humbling.
but, I think it's arguable that not everyone gets a damn thing out of anything they do. And some people, like myself, are a little slower on the learning curve than others. From my perspective, I'd say it's hard to always discount a lesser experienced driver's abilities.
I won't argue on raw experience though. If nothing, it can always add to campfire BS.
chu |
Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:45 pm: |
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Mo,
In 82 I lived up in your area in Wa. That�s when I started to get involved some co workers were into the rescue and Red Cross stuff at that time I lived on Whidbey Island and on Camano Island and also in Everret. One area of destruction was called Car Body swamp that was my first introduction to mud and carnage. I can�t remember all the trails up in the Olympics but I did enjoy the area around Deming...
I can�t remember how many times I�ve �Off-Road� and my ego doesn�t either. Since I�ve owned the Disco it's true I have not gone out much. To me there are other uses for Land Rovers besides rock crawling. PM was getting me involved again then all this shit started to happen... Id love to come up next year and see Dan again and meet all of your group�
John The last thing I would ever want from you is sympathy and to put it back on you you�re the pathetic one, little man. Ill bet you were more human when you practiced law if that�s possible.... |
LR Max
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:47 pm: |
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Dee,
From what I can tell about my PC 130s, if you have 6 of em' then that should equal out to about 2.5 Hella 3000s.
One of the TRG guys at MAR had 3000s on his roof rack and those things were so bright they could probably scare away satan...
I'd hate to look down the barrel of 4 Hella 4000s..., then they probably got three more on the bumper!
Max T.
Gettin' some hellas soon |
Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:04 pm: |
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Milian,
You want to see fake watches go to Singapore, even the fancy boxes are coppied...
Thanks Max, When i saw the Ford Truck with those 4 HID it looked like a stadium mast was on his bumper. This guy had about 50k invested in this thing. It was up in Ore at a camground... Nice truck |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:14 pm: |
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Very Nice LR Max,
"One of the TRG guys at MAR had 3000s on his roof rack and those things were so bright they could probably scare away satan.....I'd hate to look down the barrel of 4 Hella 4000s..."
Paul
'00 Pig |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:18 pm: |
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singapore... hehehe
"copy watch" "copy watch" "copy watch" "copy watch" "copy watch" "copy watch" "copy watch" |
Chris
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 07:40 pm: |
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Anyone else here into Breitlings? John, I'd like your opinion. Have you seen one for about 12 seconds? |
perroneford
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:51 pm: |
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As I mentioned, I have one and like it VERY much. But hardly ever wear it.
-P |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:52 pm: |
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I agree with Kyle when he says that useful experience doesn't always accumulate with years on the job. But if one proclaims to be an expert, we should expect at least several years--maybe a decade--on the job.
John here has five years owning Land Rovers, a couple years re-selling off-road products, and suddenly he has elavated himself into an off road guru. Yes, that gives him some 'experience' points, but not enough to warrant his all knowing attitude. What's worse is that his prolonged state of hubris somehow fuels his desire and propensity for personal attacks.
John, you need to cut the crap or move on. |
KJ
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:44 am: |
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I like time pieces and know very little about them. My daily wear wrist watch is a crappy but reliable ClubMed watch I got as a gift a couple years ago. I wear it because Lyme's Disease clobbered my reading vision two years ago, and it's got a biggish face on it. I have a Fossil Sundial, which is stupid to wear but hilarious to look at. Had to have it, never wear it. Another had-to-have and never wear is a "genuine" Russian man's military watch I bought in San Francisco years ago when the USSR was breaking up and coming out. A good pal of mine is an Officer in the Royal Navy (a submariner) and looked at it and verified it's authenticity. He showed me his, the same one he'd traded a Russian officer for. Nearly identical pieces. I like and collect a few different things that are impractical and I don't care.
As for packin' heat, all I carry is a well-concealed hot temper. Haven't had it out in years as I tend toward a different approach to confrontation. Most people get the message I'm not to be trifled with in any serious way, and I tend to stay out of predictable dicey situations.
Karen |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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Moe
I have re-read this thread looking for John's comments. Nowhere have I seen any indication that he has elevated himself to an "off-road guru" -- he certainly did not use that language. Nor can I see where he actually called himself an expert. You want to quote a post, please?
And "Hubris"? Man, you thew me on that one. The use within the post made no sense, yet your tone so assured, I actually had to look it up -- again. Jesus, how long you been sitting and stewing in your juices about John? Hubris? That is rich!
However, on to my objection of your post: Your use of "we" (as in "we should expect several years -- maybe a decade -- on the job.") -- I certainly do not agree with you on that point, and the tone within that comment.... well, it is juicy in its revelations on how you think.
Your anger and rage at John comes across as comically impotent because you really make no substantive comments -- certainly no claims that bear-up under review.
John can defend himself; I am certainly not defending him here -- I want to be clear with you that *I* do not want to be included in your pontificating, arrogant, impotent tirade.
I am sure, Moe, if you were to actually come-up with something substantive about John's information, then you would see all the entitled, impotent, wannabe little fucks on this board have a real feeding frenzy, of that I am sure.
At the very least, man, going after something of substance, arguing intelligently, might bring some focus to your anger. |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:22 pm: |
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Hey Karen,
One of the reasons I like watches sooo much is because of sentimental value. My gradfather gave me a watch that wasn't particularly valuable, but I really valued! Since then I have purchased everything from $50 watches to, Oh my god I can't believe I just spent that much on a watch! LOL I reach for my G-Shock whenever I am going to be doing dirty work. It's held up to abuse that I wouldn't have believe it had a chance to.
I tend to fancy military watches mostly because they're usually really good values. I've seen people with VERY expensive watches who are never on time! I've also seen people with $20 watches who are never late. Which one has a "better" watch??? |
Dee
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:21 pm: |
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In Singapore I traded a Russian Salior for his Red Star Mil Spec watch. I had a Navy Seasl Team issue Seiko Dive Watch.
The Red Star worked for about a year and died. It was fun at parties but some people did take take offense to me wearing it. Cold War was raging then... |
Milan
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:07 pm: |
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Jroc,
That's what I was getting at - my "fake" Rolex (yet real Swiss automatic) is more reliable than the "James Bond" watch. Luckily I bought it before I knew J.B. was wearing it. After the movie it became a J.B. commercial artifact and the price went up by few hundred.
I like divers watches, so that's what I stick to. Simple face, simple bezel. My watches tell me time and at most the date. I always thought that's what watches were supposed to do. For any kind of special measurements, I think I can have another device - like a stop watch, altimeter, etc.
Dee,
Good luck with the operation.
Russian watches were known for unreliability as far as I can remember. When somebody was late for a meeting etc., we used to say: "Are you running on Russian time?" or "You got a Russian watch?"
Michael,
I'd say Moe's anger is focused quite well. I.e. he's focusing it where he intended. Even without "substance" as you say. Hehehe. I'm not really trying to add fuel to the fire. I'm on the fence on this one as I thought I saw valid points from both sides. More importantly, it's not even any of my business. I was just making an observation as your post started quite intelligently but I was disappointed towards the end by the foul language and the - in my opinion -incorrect conclusion. |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:41 pm: |
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 Michael you offer great insight detecting my anger . . . let me help here, now you are detecting sarcasm. For a better understanding of hubris, go here
If John requires further explanation, I will try and elaborate. |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:18 pm: |
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Thanks Moe, but I understand Hubris all right. I do not think you do.
Milan: You only come off the fence to take and feed?
Typical behavior for many on this board. |
Gil Stevens (Gil)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:48 pm: |
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"entitled, impotent, wannabe little fucks on this board "
"Typical behavior for many on this board."
Michael, have you also become "above the board?" That was a nice attempted defense for John, but being the legal mastermind that he is, Im sure he can come up with one on his own. Oh and Michael, how many years of off-roading do you have under your belt? |
Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:51 pm: |
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Timex |
KJ
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:02 pm: |
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Jroc,
I know exactly what you mean, it's a matter of buying what we like, and valuing what we have. Sentimentality IS all it's cracked up to be in collecting. It's really a huge drive, and can make people completely nuts, LOL. I have loads of things I've been given and the sentiment behind it means I'll keep these things forever, regardless of street value.
I just looked at my Russian watch and am embarrassed to say I can't recall much about it. I think I have some printed material about it somewhere, but as it has a parachute deployed, among other marks, I'm thinking it was an aviator's watch? Seems to me they were offering watches from all the branches of the Russian military. Dee, it has a red star in place of the "12" at the top if the dial. The grey leather watchband is real crap but it has a small round glass "frame" thing with a man's picture inside it. I know I should know who this is, Yuri Gergeurin (sp?)? Dayum, I used to know all this stuff, and now I'm suffering the CRAFT Syndrome. Oh well, it's still something I like, though obviously don't understand.
Karen |
Jroc (Jroc)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:04 pm: |
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I have an Omega Seamaster. The bugger was fine until I bought a Disco. Now it keeps stalling just like the LR used to - unexpectedly
Milan, is this a joke??? Are you serious? Your Omega Seamaster isn't keeping good time? I'm not sure if your kidding or not, but I also own a Seamaster and it's one of my favorite watches. Also, excuse me if you already know this, but if it's a automatic then when you take it off it will wind down. It must stay in motion (ie on your wrist) in order to keep wound. Omega makes Quartz (battery powered) and Automatic (no battery required) Seamasters. Also, if you have automatic watches they should be kept on a watch winder when not being worn, it's good for the mechanism to keep moving. Keep in mind, watches should be serviced from time to time, kinda like a tune up for your car. Anyway, excuse me if you already know this stuff I'm just trying to figure out why your having a problem with such a quality piece. I don't claim to be an expert at anything, other than making mistakes, I'm great at that! LOL |
Dee
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:27 am: |
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KJ,
I cant remember much about the watch I was 20 back then and its been a few dances since then but if memory serves it looked like a plain Jane silver watch pearl face with a Red Star at 12.
Too bad I still don�t have it I could donate it as a fund raiser for the next Democrat Convention in California. Barbra Streisand can auction it off...
Milan,
The Omega not sure where the quality issue came from I bought mine from a very respected Watch Jeweler in town, The owner told me that for a Men�s Sport watch the Omega Sea Master Quartz was one of the best ones made, he was sporting one so that sold me on it, also and this guy had about 2mil in inventory most of them cost more than a good used Disco. I cant say it keeps 100% perfect time it may have lost a second last year, that's fine for me im always late any way... |
perroneford
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:40 am: |
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Just for the record,
Quarts watches are of no significant interest to the collector, and are rarely "good" watches. The significant cost of a fine timepiece comes from the movements inside the watch as it takes a great deal of expertise to create an accurate and durable movement inside the watch.
For those not in the know, the movements in fine watches are basically a complicated gear train mated to a master spring called a mainspring. The oscillation of that mainspring determines how often the second hand will tick. Quality mainspring assemblies cost real money. Since a fine watch contains no ball-bearings, the movements ride on a variety of jewels. Typically rubies or diamonds, although emeralds are sometimes used. Typically, the more jewels a watch uses (up to 21 or so) the smoother the movement.
A quartz watch replaces the mainspring assembly with a electronic pulse mechanism derived from oscillations of a crystal. It is far more accurate than a common watch, but has little value.
Automatic winding watches are inherently more valuable than manual wind. Complications to the watch add value. Such things as dates, day of the week, second hands, etc. Adding a moon phase can often double the value/cost of a fine watch.
Sorry, not to go on a rant, but I HATE hearing stories of people being fooled into buying very expensive watches with little collectable value. Quartz is for daily wear, Automatic or manual wind is for collectable value.
-P |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 01:43 am: |
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Any of you ever had one of those Mickey Mouse watches? You know, the ones with the hands that tell time?
A |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:40 am: |
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HAHAHAHA, yup Alan, I have one of those, too! A Mickey Mouse pocket watch I bought at Disney World in the first year it was opened. It was a real piece of junk, but I think I have what's left of it around here somewhere.
Dee, my Russian watch is really pretty, I think. Maybe I'll try and scan it...nice colors, so maybe it was made for the tourist trade after all!
Karen |
Dee
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:50 am: |
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Hey my Daughter has a Minney Mouse its a Casio it seems to work fine. It was one of those Daddy Plese Please Please buy it, now she never wears it... |
Paul T. Schram (Paulschram)
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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My sister has a Spiro Agnew watch!
Some of us are old enough to remember who he was.
Paul |
KJ
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:15 pm: |
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Paul,
I remember and curse him everytime I slam the breaks on to avoid wrecking on one of Spiro's Beltway ramps. Remember that scandal?
Karen |
Alan Yim (Alan)
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:57 pm: |
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Spiro Agnew??? Hmmm, seems to be a bit beyond me. LOL But I remember Smurf watches....
But so far my most reliable watch has been a cheap Timex Expedition watch. I've gone through a strap already that I've replaced with a simple velcro strap. The face is all scratched (looks like I ran it against a stucco wall) up but the darn thing keeps working. I wear it skiing (strap it to the outside of my ski gloves - won't fit inside) and camping and the darn thing takes a beating but won't die. My only other watch is a Swiss Army Diver watch that's been great but so far haven't tested the "diver" portion of it so have no idea if it's really water proof.
A |
John Lee
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:55 pm: |
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Oh damn. Let's take a tally here. Dave Marchand hates me. Matt Moe hates me. Ken Fray (Gil Stevens' real name) hates me. Dee Cantrell hates me. And "Chris" (whoever that is) hates me.
Except for Moe, and possibly "Chris", these guys are morons so I don't feel too bad that they hate me. It was a tenet of the Ancient Greeks that one could judge a man's character by looking at his enemies as well as his friends. If Dave Marchand, Ken Fray, and Dee hate me, then I'm in pretty good company.
As for Moe hating me, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Oh well. |
Dee
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 11:19 pm: |
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I never said hate John that's your way of drawing attention to you and the pathetic little mind games that you�re so apt at playing... Oh Woe is me no one likes me poor John... Have a nice Day John best 4x4er by far� ... And if you have the balls to call me a moron to my face come on down here and say it to my face.... |
John Lee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:27 am: |
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"Oh Woe is me no one likes me poor John..."
Oh woe is me? I'm the one basically saying that I'm basically indifferent to the morons hating me. And you're saying "Oh Woe is me no one likes me poor John"? You're the one who's playing the surgery card and trying to elicit sympathy from the people on this board. By God, you are a moron.
"And if you have the balls to call me a moron to my face come on down here and say it to my face...."
One of these days I'll crawl down to the bottom of the ocean and become a bottom feeder just like you. Then we'll meet up face to face. |
Milan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:39 am: |
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Jroc and Dee,
The Seamaster is a fine watch and I like it. I know it should wind down when not worn. The problem is I never take my watch off. The watchmaker/jewler figured it's the winding mechanism that gets stuck sometimes and does not wind the spring. Thus it'll stop suddenly. If I were to wind it manually every day, it would work. But that's not why I bought an automatic. He should still have the new winding barell as he bought it just in case we could not get mine working (he just could not find anything really wrong with it). I guess it's just one of those things.
Michael,
I don't come off the fence to feed. That's why I stated I did not intend to fee the fire. I thought you came to feed but in a clean manner. That's why I read your post. Then the was disappointing but hey, you did not post it to please me and I did not expected to be pleased. I don't come down to take and feed. You were making a statement and I was just sitting on the fence and listening. I like to sit on the fence and listen. I learn that way about things and people. I'm also nothing like many on this board or any other board, belive me. Not better or worse, just different. You must have missed the smiley at the end of my post to get so defensive. Here's another one for you |
Milan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:46 am: |
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I had a few typos in my previous reply se here's the intended text:
Michael,
I don't come off the fence to take and feed. That's why I stated I did not intend to fuel the fire. I thought you came to feed but in a clean manner. That's why I read your post. Then the end was disappointing but hey, you did not post it to please me and I don�t expect to be pleased by posts not intended for me. You were making a statement and I was just sitting on the fence and listening. I like to sit on the fence and listen. I learn that way about things and people. I'm also nothing like many on this board or any other board, believe me. Not better or worse, just different. You must have missed the smiley at the end of my post to get so defensive. Here's another one for you |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:01 pm: |
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Earlier John Lee posted from another source:
"Like all Lightforce lights, our trademark filter system allows you to change the color or pattern of the beam in seconds"
This is important for trail functionality. All you need is a disco ball hanging off the brush guard and Bee Gee's in the 8-track and you are set for swatch watch wearing action!
Paul
G-Shock watch wearer |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:15 pm: |
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Am I the only one that realizes how far this thread has gone away from "Warn or Hella?"
Just curious.
Greg |
Greg Davis (Gregdavis)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:01 pm: |
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Hey Paul, what's wrong with Swatch Watches?
Oh, did I say that I like my Hella 4000's? |
Brian Friend (Brianfriend)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:23 pm: |
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So------should wich is better.......lights or a watch? |
Michael Villanueva (Michael)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:39 pm: |
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Michael, have you also become "above the board?" .... Oh and Michael, how many years of off-roading do you have under your belt?
Yes, Gil, that is exactly what my post really intended to say! You cracked my secret and obscure code -- Damn! |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 04:02 pm: |
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Hey Greg,
Nothing at all is wrong with swatch watch. Just hearing that name brought back a lot of '80s memories. Damn Billy Idol and Reagonomics!
Paul |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 07:05 pm: |
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Damn, I'll have to return to this later. Right now I am back out the door to help build a rear bumper--basically a collection of stolen designs. |
Moe (Moe)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:58 pm: |
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Hate, John? No I am pissed off at some of the shit I have to wade through before I find something useful in the threads that you have come to pollute. I am not entirely blaming you, but when you swagger onto the scene willing to cut people down it is like a big turd has descended, drawing every fly in the house.
About a year ago, after just getting started in the business you consistently came off as informed and opinionated, willing to argue intelligently, and willing to call obvious bullshit when it floated by. Today, more often than not, you come off as opinionated, willing to engage in personal attacks, and not willing to tolerate other choices outside your ideals. And, like I said it draws flies . . . and so the personal attacks continue.
I�m not asking that we all get along. That would be boring and counterproductive, assuming most of us come to the site for information, advice, alternative points of view, and experience from others.
Why not focus on the basic interest that draws us to the site? I know that requires more energy, but for the many that return to the site, it would remain far more enjoyable and useful. |
John Lee
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:35 am: |
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As I said before Moe, you're no moron. I think your last post proves that. |
Ross Thoma (Rossthoma)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 05:49 pm: |
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Wow Now that was a read
I work at a Carteaux Jewelers in the Chicago Loop
and I have a watch problem. Omega Seamaster 120 automatic and 18K Paul Picot Atelier 1100. not to mention all the jewelry I buy my wife. But hey I got a 03 Disco out of it and the wife is open to my ideas for modifications. YESSS!!!
Lights were never high on my list but I got used to the extra illumination from the factory fog lights and I think a set will be in order in the future whrn my Rovertym bumper arrives.
rt |
Dee
| | Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 01:55 am: |
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John,
�One of these days I'll crawl down to the bottom of the ocean and become a bottom feeder just like you. Then we'll meet up face to face�
John I would need scuba gear to visit you I never have needed to go that low in life for anything ever...
So I guess I can take that as an infantile evasion on your part.
And yes I could be accused a moron if my true intent was to solicit sympathy for my prior medical from the crowd here. My post read to me like a honest answer to the question you asked. But then I don�t pick things apart with my UCLA Law degree. How the car part business again?
Does anybody but you think my sole intent on D-Web has been to ridicule or take advantage of people?
Have I done that too anyone?
John if you the only one that is of that opinion man you must really feel threatened by me and what I�m trying to do.
By the way I did receive many calls and emails while I was laid up in the hospital and the ones who sent them I won�t forget thanks guys.
Oh Peace and Love John� |
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