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Old 12-20-2018, 05:31 PM
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Can't challenge a law in court until it's actually a law (and someone suffers a "loss"). It's just the way our system is set up.
Scott, that's precisely why legal departments exist in every company and every entity, including White House - assess legality of a proposed action to avoid a court challenge.
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Scott, that's precisely why legal departments exist in every company and every entity, including White House - assess legality of a proposed action to avoid a court challenge.
And yet VCDL and the GOA are both challenging this as we speak.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:23 PM
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And yet VCDL and the GOA are both challenging this as we speak.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:30 PM
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Scott, that's precisely why legal departments exist in every company and every entity, including White House - assess legality of a proposed action to avoid a court challenge.
Oh, yeah - the white house/congress should have staff that advise on the legality of actions (they do), but that's very different than having the Fed courts review a proposed law.

And Trump has shown over and over again, he doesn't care (travel ban, military build the wall, this). Which is my point - he thinks he is/wants to be a dictator
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Oh, yeah - the white house/congress should have staff that advise on the legality of actions (they do), but that's very different than having the Fed courts review a proposed law.

And Trump has shown over and over again, he doesn't care (travel ban, military build the wall, this). Which is my point - he thinks he is/wants to be a dictator
Trump had a decisive victory from our supreme court over the travel ban. You are not a 'dictator' when our branches of government are operating effectively, you really can't even think you're one.

For example the wall vote. Pundits and Nancy P. said it would never clear the house, it did. Now pundits say it will never clear the senate.....

If it passes is Trump still a dictator?

Orange man bad, just because I say so. I don't know if you realize it Scott but you've really lost all of your credibility in the politics arena. Annnnnnnnnnnd, once again, you're bringing Trump over to the General Section. Shocker.
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The Left showed their hand(and lost their credibility) when they were talking impeachment before Trump was even inaugurated.
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:01 PM
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The Left showed their hand(and lost their credibility) when they were talking impeachment before Trump was even inaugurated.
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I agree with Scott's logic here actually (except the liberal democrat bs). If Trump were to ban 30-round magazines, that essentially makes all 30-round magazines illegal and if you have one in your possession you're now a criminal. So if you ban bumpstocks, everyone who owns one..........

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if there will be some grandfather clauses on this issue or not. Owning a bumpstock has never appealed to me and I could care less if they just go away. So I do not know the details of Trump agenda here other than it being political in nature.

But like many things, what does it matter? Does this saves lives? Do criminals really burst into a bank with their bumpstock and go bat shit crazy? I remember the guy in NV using one of these while shooting out of his hotel room but does this happen on the regular? If you want a full-auto gun you're going to find a full-auto gun. For $200 and some drill bits you could make your own. https://www.ftfindustries.com/product/AR-M16BCFC.html

I don't believe Trump will receive much opposition on banning these things. It's just another way to get his face in the news and piss off both the democrats and republicans because he knows he's got them both by the balls.
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:05 PM
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I remember the guy in NV using one of these while shooting out of his hotel room but does this happen on the regular?
In terms of things with potential for abuse and harm, "on the regular" is relative.

It's about how much collateral damage from the thing are we willing to accept.

In some cases, the damage of one instance can be a catalyst.

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If you want a bomb you can make a bomb.

The deterrent is in the effort (or the unsavory type of persons you would deal with in acquiring).
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Old 12-31-2018, 09:14 PM
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In terms of things with potential for abuse and harm, "on the regular" is relative.

It's about how much collateral damage from the thing are we willing to accept.

In some cases, the damage of one instance can be a catalyst.



If you want a bomb you can make a bomb.

The deterrent is in the effort (or the unsavory type of persons you would deal with in acquiring).
Most idiots can make a bomb. Nearly any idiot can make a bump stock in a few minutes. The collateral damage factor is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is they should have been classified along with lightning links, in regard to commercial production, with the other items covered at that time.

As for the quality of people you'll meet trying to buy something you shouldn't, you're already one of them if you're looking. Don't shit in the kitchen. Save your money and get one the right way (they're not really too bad; just a choice between an automotive toy or a firearm most of the time if you don't want something stupid rare), or go to someone else's nation and get one to play around with while you're away.

Catalysts are a problem nowadays. I'm not concerned with what one dolt did when it would have been more efficient to use a different approach. The readiness to pile onto anything that seems important disgusts me.

Nobody actually cared, few even remember, and it hasn't been that long.

I know for a fact people don't really give a damn about those events in general. If they did, their asses would be out sorting out worse places where people are actually facing that kind of thing every day. Oh, they'll complain for a couple of weeks, but if the news can't click-bait them any longer, it's over.

It only comes back later like an argument with one of those passive aggressive fucks that will suddenly remind you of a conversation you don't remember when they become angry. Oh, but what about Vegas?

What about it? You never cared, anyway. The people who did were either involved or trying to figure out how it is going to affect their defense of the true meaning of the Second Amendment. A whole bunch of people were killed by poisoning, stabbing, foolishness, unsafe toys, and were beaten to death in this nation today.

People weren't told to care, so they didn't.

Right now, a child is dying of hunger. He's probably two or three years old. His father has one arm, and his mother was raped to death. By the time you're done reading this paragraph, he will have faded away in torment; alone, hungry, and so dehydrated he can't even cry during his panic attack as the light disappears forever. You could probably have done something about it...

Oops. Too late.

He's dead. Everyone here just let him die. We may as well have watched it happen while eating a steak ten feet away. Plan on losing any sleep tonight? Of course not. Nobody does.

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Old 01-01-2019, 03:28 AM
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Damn, Kennith.
I'm just cutting into the bullshit and hypocrisy in a world full of people who have brainwashed themselves.

People don't really care, but they love trying to convince everyone else they do. That's a fact.

The post isn't aimed at anyone in particular. If it happens to apply to someone, it was their own decision to end up that way.

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Not aimed at anyone in particular, I agree. But it does make one feel introspective - which is a good thing. I certainly won't eat steak the same way for awhile.
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:50 PM
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People don't really care, but they love trying to convince everyone else they do.
I think a not-insignificant amount of people do care.

It's just that at some point you realize the universe doesn't give a fuck about anything, and stemming that tide of life going on is 99% fruitless, so only the truly passionate stick with it.

That or you get married and have kids and have to go paper chasing.

The time that would then be spent on bettering humanity goes to recharging your sanity so you can do it all again tomorrow
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I certainly won't eat steak the same way for awhile.
So you're going to stop eating steak 10 feet from a starving child?
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That or you get married and have kids and have to go paper chasing.
Sometimes I catch the paper, and then I shuffle it.
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I think a not-insignificant amount of people do care.

It's just that at some point you realize the universe doesn't give a fuck about anything, and stemming that tide of life going on is 99% fruitless, so only the truly passionate stick with it.

That or you get married and have kids and have to go paper chasing.

The time that would then be spent on bettering humanity goes to recharging your sanity so you can do it all again tomorrow
I can agree with that, as increased population will naturally increase the number of genuinely empathetic individuals. Given I'm a "fatalist", of course I also agree about the universe not giving a shit.

You know, I don't expect people to care, and I'm certainly not a shining example of empathy. It simply annoys me when they make such a ruckus about caring when they clearly don't.

That actually brings up a point I don't really have time to explore at the moment, but hopefully I'll get to it later.

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So you're going to stop eating steak 10 feet from a starving child?
I'll make it 15 feet. Children can only see so far when lachrymose.

But seriously...that's not what I meant.
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It's not that complicated. People don't want the same shit inflicted upon them or their loved ones.
You have a far greater chance of falling to your fiery death in a commercial airline accident. We need to keep things in perspective.
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