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Old 11-29-2018, 06:14 PM
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I just realized it's called the "Gladiator". That's gayer than a democrat in a Subaru.
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This looks really fucking cool but after you study it for about 10 seconds you start to wonder what the point is.
Reduced interior human space....check! Reduced to non-existent interior cargo space.....check! Mediocre pickup bed space for exposed and unsecured cargo....check! Drastically reduced exterior cargo space because no where else to put a spare.....check!
There's inspiration, and then there's what people do with them.

All that open air space allows some serious convenience in the field. Historically, that would be a scout/utility vehicle for expedition purposes; not a support vehicle, which is what everyone in the "overland" community wants to build.

The whole point is to be able to hop out, do stuff, toss stuff in, and get moving without dicking around. You've got the support rig for anything else.

Contrast that with the overland lifestyle rigs you see. They make for a good road trip, but they're not maximized utility vehicles.

This is where the hobbyists give way to the professionals; or the general contractors give way to specialists. Nothing wrong with other ways of doing things, but you're shooting yourself in the foot bringing a closed cabin/cargo area into remote, repetitive utility environments.

The benefits do exist in everyday life, in regard to the bed. The doors and windshield don't really do much around town, but it's tradition. Nobody's going to use that drop down windshield like people would use it in the middle of nowhere, and you don't need to jump in and out of the vehicle constantly when going to the grocery store.

There is one more benefit... When you're on a sufficiently long trip involving slower speeds and lots of stopping in hotter environments, there's something to be said for all that airflow. Air conditioning burns fuel, and not a small amount when you're poodling around in fields and deserts at a maximum of 10mph.

The shortest way to explain it is this: Americans use side-by-side utility vehicles for this sort of thing, which is why the Gladiator doesn't seem to make sense. You've got your big truck for hauling, and you've got the SXS for detail work.

In other places, that SXS isn't enough. That's why you see drop-tops all over the world. Someone, at some point, bought them for this purpose. That may not be what it's doing now, but that was the original intent.

So, who would buy one knowing all that, if you're paying for features you'll never use?

Well, people like me, who've run things like that all over the place in just those sort of environments. There's a touch of nostalgia, there; cast through lenses of modern comfort and convenience. Moreover, it's a double-cab that isn't the size of a battleship, and it looks cool.

One thing that's important to remember is that "contracted expedition use" is vastly different than what people call overlanding, or even driving on a trail. You're avoiding nasty terrain as much as possible, if it's raining sometimes it's best to pack it up and wait, and you've got a bigger vehicle nearby that handles the heavy lifting.

All comes down to the difference between travel and work in remote areas. At this point, I don't even know what to call it anymore, because the terminology has become warped over time.

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Old 11-29-2018, 09:34 PM
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I like it. I also owned a couple of Scramblers many years ago. I DD and mild offroad a 4-door Tacoma TRD Off Road (which I have no interest in modding) and wheel a mod'd D1 on 33s. The Gladiator would do just about everything I do with those two, with more features than either offers. As I get older, the less interested I am in conquering crazy terrain, so the longer wheelbase would not be a huge deterrent for me... knowing I'd lift, regear, and slap on bigger tires anyways to somewhat address that.
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Need a picture of the Roman Gladiator with a top installed over the bed.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:26 AM
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I think it looks great! It fits my towing, hauling and with the diesel, daily driving duties all in one cool vehicle. Now I can cull the herd to just one vehicle for me instead of three. I may not wait on the diesel to be released though as I need a replacement pickup now.

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Old 11-30-2018, 08:29 AM
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...le/?yptr=yahoo Yet another abomination...
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:09 AM
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They call themselves Six Wheel Jeep, but the site's showing up in tabs as Pinnacle Limousine Manufacturing.

That last axle is not powered and there is no option for power, apparently. They seem to believe that a driveshaft would make the vehicle full-time 4/6WD... If that is the limit of their engineering capacity, they have no business converting vehicles.

It's fine to offer that conversion, but if you're telling me you are entirely incapable of powering that axle, turn your fucking shop keys in on the way out the door.

Light wheeled vehicles with three axles are for heavy, specialist loads and tight spaces; as well as times you're not going to have access to people experienced with large trucks. You're getting into something that's essentially pointless beyond the cool factor.

Actually, I have trouble imagining reasonable, non-military uses for such a vehicle that don't involve a long-term purchase and service contract.

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So it's basically this but with an open design. No thanks. I'll stick with reliability and stay dry. The 4 door Hardtop and Classic 2 door open design were the most practical Jeeps of all. Anything else is a gimmick. But as someone mentioned there will be plenty that buy them for a year or maybe two.

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I think it looks great! It fits my towing, hauling and with the diesel, daily driving duties all in one cool vehicle. Now I can cull the herd to just one vehicle for me instead of three. I may not wait on the diesel to be released though as I need a replacement pickup now.

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Sounds like you need the Colorado ZR2 with the diesel engine.
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Sounds like you need the Colorado ZR2 with the diesel engine.
A buddy just bought a 2018 3500 Ram and likes it quite a bit. Definitely a bit more $ for that one but Colorados are what, high 40s/low 50s?
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A buddy just bought a 2018 3500 Ram and likes it quite a bit. Definitely a bit more $ for that one but Colorados are what, high 40s/low 50s?

Yeah starting at just below $40k which is crazy for a small truck, but hell thats the same price as a 4 door JL Rubicon. If you check every option box you can get the Jeep up to $57k!!!!



So my guess on pricing for the Gladiator would be in 40-50k range too.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:45 PM
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There's inspiration, and then there's what people do with them.

All that open air space allows some serious convenience in the field. Historically, that would be a scout/utility vehicle for expedition purposes; not a support vehicle, which is what everyone in the "overland" community wants to build.

The whole point is to be able to hop out, do stuff, toss stuff in, and get moving without dicking around. You've got the support rig for anything else.
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I can totally agree with you here. As a pure utility vehicle the shorty jeep pickup (the blue Brute) is great. The fact that it looks great is a bonus. But as a personal off-roading and camping vehicle I see years of frustration and buyer's remorse. Still, I'd drive the shit out of that thing.

I just clicked on the Cover-Me-In-Baby-Oil-And-Ride-My-Ass-Like-A-Roman-Gladiator link in the original post and the more I look at this thing, the more ungainly and just plain fucking ugly it looks. The stunted rear doors don't look right next to the fronts. Looks like they went from a mentally-challenged make-a-wish foundation intern's construction paper mock-up straight to the production line in 1 step. The transition from cabin to rear window over the bed looks like a red-neck sawzall job. The rear end treatment taillights and tailgate look like afterthoughts. It looks like they went to Pep Boys, bought a box of cheap chiner taillights, and hot-glued those pieces of shit on there. "But boss, these cheap shit taillights don't even come close to fitting on the body!" "Shut the fuck up and keep gluing, we have to get to production." "But they stick out 6 inches and they'll get ripped off at the fucking shopping mall you stupid fucktard!" "You're fired." Fuck me, it looks like they glued the whole goddamn bed onto the body.




I mean come on....what the holy fuck hot steaming pile of shit mess is this crap:



Seriously? That's one of your promo pictures? Who's the fucking genius behind this abortion?

When I see one in the wild (meaning asphalt strip mall parking lot), I may have to hop up in the bed and poop.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:50 PM
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A buddy just bought a 2018 3500 Ram and likes it quite a bit. Definitely a bit more $ for that one but Colorados are what, high 40s/low 50s?
They're all expensive now, which is why I've been eyeballing that Prospector. To continue the theme, to me that would be the support vehicle. The DII would be the scout.

I don't want to replace the DII. I want something that's capable in a different way. The Jeep isn't so bad, in that regard. Whether I like the way it drives or not is up in the air, as I hate the rest of the twitchy little fuckers with a passion.

The Unlimited models are honestly the absolute worst vehicles I've ever driven. Period. The worst of all, without exception. They're terrible. I mean, they do the job, but Crocs keep your feet off the ground; doesn't mean you actually want to wear them.

This, though... That wheelbase will probably improve it dramatically. As noted, in my opinion, Jeeps are always a few inches short or a few inches long. Land Rovers have historically nailed the wheelbase perfectly. That's a big part of the secret sauce.

It's like the difference between an Outback and a Forester. One does everything like a dream, and the other is twitchy and harsh for no good reason.

While this won't tow the Rover as easily as a Prospector (RAM 2500), it will indeed tow it. It's not big enough for it to be easy for very long journeys, though. I'd thought about doing this and living on the road a while, again, if I can. I've got a case of cabin fever now.

Wouldn't do it with this, though.

I think resale will be high enough on these that it wouldn't be a bad purchase for a couple of years. Hell, get in early and pick a low-volume color, and you might even come out with a slight profit, or at least not lose any money if you're willing to sell in a year.

It's not going up against the 2500, for me. It's going up against the Ridgeline.

The Gladiator also looks really cool, and that is indeed a factor that shouldn't be underestimated. There's also the inevitable aftermarket styling stuff. You'll be able to do whatever the hell you want to the Gladiator, and really personalize it to your own tastes.

That Jeep aftermarket is the biggest benefit, here. If everyone buys one, you'll still be able to make yours unique.

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Rover just screwed the pooch.....again. You think they would have learned with the Explorer, I mean Discovery 5. They drag their feet and get beat to the market, then they're always being compared back to something else.

Now Rover has drug their feet again with the new Defender, and guess what? Jeep just released the new Defender 130(Gladiator). It won't matter what Rover comes out with, there's a 99.9% chance it won't be as cool as the Gladiator, but will probably cost more.

The new Defender will look like shit, but the faithful will justify buying it to themselves somehow, just like they did with the Discovery Cinco. Everyone knows its a turd, but people justify it by saying "it grows on you"or "it looks better in person". Nobody has to say that about the Gladiator. It looks like it should.

Congratulations Rover, you just lost half your Defender market before you even released it.
I've been saying that for a while now. They should have revealed it last year, when people expected to see it, using the classic restoration program as a celebration of the new Defender.

I recall noting that even without a release from another manufacturer, people were just going to stop waiting for the Defender and just spend the money on something else.

Now, though... They've got a tough road ahead of them. They wanted to convince everyone it was impossible to bring in something like the old model, and yet Jeep has been running around building the same damned thing, just with a bit less quality and class.

Now we've got an entirely new Jeep to look at, and it's not just us. Jeeps enjoy popularity on Land Rover's home turf, and if that Defender isn't fit for the same utility purposes this Gladiator is...

Well, they've lost two markets. This is genuinely a time in which the Defender will have to actually compete with a damned Jeep in the consumer and professional market.

Good luck with that. It should have been revealed before this vehicle to capitalize on the press rounds. Now it's going to be compared with a Jeep instead of a Land Cruiser. That's a problem for them.

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A buddy just bought a 2018 3500 Ram and likes it quite a bit. Definitely a bit more $ for that one but Colorados are what, high 40s/low 50s?
That's if you can find one. I wouldn't be surprised if a diesel ZR2 sells for over sticker. A guy at work who buys and sells vehicles for us bought one through one of his dealer contacts when they first came out, at sticker price. He drove it for 6 months and the dealer called him up and offered to buy it back for what he paid for it.
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The Gladiator also looks really cool, and that is indeed a factor that shouldn't be underestimated. There's also the inevitable aftermarket styling stuff. You'll be able to do whatever the hell you want to the Gladiator, and really personalize it to your own tastes.

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I would argue that the cool factor cannot be overestimated. There's a reason everyone has a Wrangler. I cannot think of one demographic that I haven't seen driving one. It's not because the Wrangler is fast, or built well, or is luxurious. Its no better in the snow than a Subaru and has less tech than a Civic. The reason people like them is because they are cool looking.
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I would argue that the cool factor cannot be overestimated. There's a reason everyone has a Wrangler. I cannot think of one demographic that I haven't seen driving one. It's not because the Wrangler is fast, or built well, or is luxurious. Its no better in the snow than a Subaru and has less tech than a Civic. The reason people like them is because they are cool looking.
I think we've both just said the same thing.

I just used "shouldn't" in front of "underestimated" instead of "cannot" in front of "overestimated".

The point is, that cool factor is important, and that's not a problem. If you're spending near fifty grand on something that's not required, it ought to be something you think is cool.

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I was determined that there wasn't another truck on the market that I want to drive. The Disco's are getting a little long in the tooth for a daily driver. My short list was to look for a low mileage Cadillac CTS wagon or maybe a BMW wagon. The Gladiator has me rethinking that idea. Why...because it's cool as hell!!!
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My dad bought one of these new in 1981 and it was our first “off roader” for our farm. I am surprised Jeep didn’t also offer the two door version.

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Get ready for a huge onslaught of overpriced Tacomas as all the bros dump them to be the cool kids with the new thing but refuse to acknowledge that they shouldn’t have paid over original sticker price for a 3 year old truck with 40k miles.
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Get ready for a huge onslaught of overpriced Tacomas as all the bros dump them to be the cool kids with the new thing but refuse to acknowledge that they shouldn?t have paid over original sticker price for a 3 year old truck with 40k miles.
Maybe that will mean cheap Tacos? Can you say Taco Tuesday!???
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My dad bought one of these new in 1981 and it was our first ?off roader? for our farm. I am surprised Jeep didn?t also offer the two door version.

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Maybe that will mean cheap Tacos? Can you say Taco Tuesday!???
Hell yeah, I'd buy a near-new used Tacoma. They had a big Tacoma and Tundra outside of Bass Pro Shop the other day. I think it was the beefiest OEM one they sell (like Turd Sport Pro or something). My buddy has a manual Sport and it's a sweet truck.
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