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Old 12-01-2018, 10:05 AM
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kennith what the hell are you going on about. are you insinuating that "overlanding" is any more than just sitting in the car for 8 hours straight?

that it requires more getting in and out of the car than running errands around town?

you have it completely backwards. if i owned this thing, i would have the doors off and windshield down around town, going to the dump, picking up mulch, filling the back with lumber, going to the brewery. etc.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:12 AM
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I can totally agree with you here. As a pure utility vehicle the shorty jeep pickup (the blue Brute) is great. The fact that it looks great is a bonus. But as a personal off-roading and camping vehicle I see years of frustration and buyer's remorse. Still, I'd drive the shit out of that thing.

I just clicked on the Cover-Me-In-Baby-Oil-And-Ride-My-Ass-Like-A-Roman-Gladiator link in the original post and the more I look at this thing, the more ungainly and just plain fucking ugly it looks. The stunted rear doors don't look right next to the fronts. Looks like they went from a mentally-challenged make-a-wish foundation intern's construction paper mock-up straight to the production line in 1 step. The transition from cabin to rear window over the bed looks like a red-neck sawzall job. The rear end treatment taillights and tailgate look like afterthoughts. It looks like they went to Pep Boys, bought a box of cheap chiner taillights, and hot-glued those pieces of shit on there. "But boss, these cheap shit taillights don't even come close to fitting on the body!" "Shut the fuck up and keep gluing, we have to get to production." "But they stick out 6 inches and they'll get ripped off at the fucking shopping mall you stupid fucktard!" "You're fired." Fuck me, it looks like they glued the whole goddamn bed onto the body.

Seriously? That's one of your promo pictures? Who's the fucking genius behind this abortion?

When I see one in the wild (meaning asphalt strip mall parking lot), I may have to hop up in the bed and poop.
I was actually going to comment on that last picture. I'm not sure they picked the right person for that shot, as the fellow somehow looks the exact wrong size to be in there. Not saying I'd look any better, but nobody's hiring me for press release modeling, either.

You've got some points. I think the tailgate is a bit of a styling misstep, and it looks more like something we should expect out of the Defender, actually. It's a Jeep, though. They'll be everything from webbing to Webers available to replace it.

The lights are a strange story. Doug Demuro's review of the 2018 Unlimited points out that Jeep was unable to find a good place to install the blind spot monitors. According to Jeep, they needed to be extended to get past the fenders, and nowhere else worked right.

I'm not sure I believe they actually put that much effort into it, but regardless, those appear to just be the same lights moved to the new model.

I think the rear doors would be fine without the cab extension, but you wouldn't get the seats in the back without it, which is a little annoying, because the first thing I'd do when I got home is remove them. Hell, my DII has been a two seater since it left warranty.

Staring at it, I get the same feeling you do, I think. This is like going into a video game arcade with a dollar's worth of quarters to play Tempest four times, but being distracted by Dragon's Lair. It looks cool, and Don Bluth is the fucking man, but that's a dollar with a short life-span and lots of frustration.

Even so, just like Dragon's Lair, with all it's faults, this damned truck is (at this time, before anyone buys it) ice fucking cold. It would sell it's own mother on the open market for a scoop of ice cream and a slap on the ass.

After people start buying them? We'll see... That's a different story.

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Old 12-01-2018, 11:46 AM
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kennith what the hell are you going on about. are you insinuating that "overlanding" is any more than just sitting in the car for 8 hours straight?

that it requires more getting in and out of the car than running errands around town?

you have it completely backwards. if i owned this thing, i would have the doors off and windshield down around town, going to the dump, picking up mulch, filling the back with lumber, going to the brewery. etc.
I am, but I suppose it works both ways, when you put it like that.

"Overlanding" is typically about enjoying a journey, or so I am given to assume. It's about the trip, the people, the gear, the food... It's a lifestyle pursuit. There's nothing wrong with that, and I'm sure it's a lot of fun. It looks like fun, anyway.

The other side of that coin; the side that breeds vehicles like this and morons like me, is not about the journey at all. It's about what happens when you reach your destination, or sometimes simply the act of reaching the destination with your caravan or cargo relatively unmolested.

It just comes down to what you're doing, in the end. Grocery-getting isn't such a bad analogy.

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This is like going into a video game arcade with a dollar's worth of quarters to play Tempest four times, but being distracted by Dragon's Lair.

Even so, just like Dragon's Lair, with all it's faults...
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Jesus Fucking Christ, you're as old as me.
I worked at a little deli type place when I was about 17, we had a tabletop Tempest game there.
After closing, we'd use this little metal rod to flip the dip switch to free play.
I had the record on that thing.

Dragon's Lair?
You're talking about the first game that used a video disk, right?
With like Dirk the Daring or something?
You'd get to a decision point, and there'd be this 5 second pause while the disk spun to the next section of the game.
Annoying as fuck, but at the time, it was the shit, boy-o.

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I'd say this Jeep Vibriator is less Dragon's Lair and more Joust.
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Old 12-01-2018, 02:35 PM
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The lights are a strange story. Doug Demuro's review of the 2018 Unlimited points out that Jeep was unable to find a good place to install the blind spot monitors. According to Jeep, they needed to be extended to get past the fenders, and nowhere else worked right.
I just thought they were following Toyota and putting the lights as far out as possible so that they break and new ones must continuously be purchased at killer markups. Now that you hint at the possibility that it is due to blind spot monitors I realize it's even worse than I first assumed. A supposedly utilitarian truck with removable doors needs blind spot monitors? I suppose it also shuts down a couple cylinders for a few seconds at a time and it also shuts down completely at stop lights. Fucking wonderful.
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Old 12-01-2018, 02:55 PM
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Jesus Fucking Christ, you're as old as me.
I worked at a little deli type place when I was about 17, we had a tabletop Tempest game there.
After closing, we'd use this little metal rod to flip the dip switch to free play.
I had the record on that thing.

Dragon's Lair?
You're talking about the first game that used a video disk, right?
With like Dirk the Daring or something?
You'd get to a decision point, and there'd be this 5 second pause while the disk spun to the next section of the game.
Annoying as fuck, but at the time, it was the shit, boy-o.

hahahhahahhaa
Yeah, the video disc one. Basically, it was an entire game based on what we now call "Quicktime events"; timed decision points that require canned controls and animations. Incredibly frustrating, but that eye-candy was just too attractive to ignore.

It was done by the same Don Bluth responsible for The Secret of Nimh and a bunch of other animated movies.

Bluth actually explained that once. He didn't quite understand what a game was supposed to be, and thought most of the fun would be seeing all the silly ways Dirk the Daring could die like a screaming ponce.

The same engine was later used for his other game, Space Ace. That never really gained the popularity, as I think Dragon's Lair burned everyone out before Space Ace hit the scene.

I'll take a picture of something in my office that you'll find amusing later.

Tempest, though... Now THAT was an addicting game. I'm not sure how I'd do now at a cabinet, but I WAS good. I just picked up Tempest 4000 for the Xbox One, as someone was coming over to help me out with stuff and had never even seen the original, and the update is one hell of a trip. They jazzed it up to give challenge to the old guard. It sure kicked my ass.

I think the only game I'm still good at is DOOM. I've kept the skills up on that one. Strange that I can still play with all the nerve damage in my left arm. Can't seem to learn anything new, in that regard, but I suppose some manner of muscle memory is in play.

So far as age, I'm not too far up there, but I'm at the point in life where I'm looking at convertibles, and I fucking hate convertibles... The military example is thinking on occasion: "If I'd just stayed in, I'd be retired! Perhaps not wealthy, but I wouldn't have to do so much shit..."

Thankfully, we all get over that one eventually. You're not going to catch my ass running fifteen fucking miles anymore. Hell, I didn't even like it when it was possible. LMAO

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I just thought they were following Toyota and putting the lights as far out as possible so that they break and new ones must continuously be purchased at killer markups. Now that you hint at the possibility that it is due to blind spot monitors I realize it's even worse than I first assumed. A supposedly utilitarian truck with removable doors needs blind spot monitors? I suppose it also shuts down a couple cylinders for a few seconds at a time and it also shuts down completely at stop lights. Fucking wonderful.
Hell, they may be mandated nowadays. I'm not sure what is and isn't anymore. I know backup cameras are, and I can't stand the things. It's just a good way to blind yourself at night.

I do hate that cylinder deactivation, though. It makes sense in big cities and bad commutes, but for driving in more reasonable locations it's stupid. I know you can turn it off in all the new Lincolns (SWEET fucking rides, there) , but I'm not sure about Jeep.

Another question comes down to gas or diesel. Diesel engines aren't what they used to be, and are bordering on being unacceptable for real outdoor use. There's also a relevant concern regarding part availability, as they're changing so much every few years.

You know, I never did like Joust. I just didn't see the appeal, for some reason. Maybe I should try it again. It's not as if I don't have the vintage gear ready to go.

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Those 2 were just about the last video games I've ever played.

my son has several gaming platforms.
I liked the driving game on the ps1 or 2 or whatever from 15 years ago.
I tried to play a FPS game with him, but I just wasn't down with "press x to duck, y to shoot, z to jerk off, up arrow to go left, down arrow to run, etc, etc".
Simply couldn't develop ANY give a shit for the entire concept.

I guess it's like professional sports.
Adults, yelling about other (chronological) adults, playing a child's game.

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."

"When I was a child, I played children's games. Then I grew the fuck up."
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sometimes simply the act of reaching the destination with your caravan or cargo relatively unmolested.
That is my feeling traveling with the RRC. Just getting there is an accomplishment in itself.
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Those 2 were just about the last video games I've ever played.

my son has several gaming platforms.
I liked the driving game on the ps1 or 2 or whatever from 15 years ago.
I tried to play a FPS game with him, but I just wasn't down with "press x to duck, y to shoot, z to jerk off, up arrow to go left, down arrow to run, etc, etc".
Simply couldn't develop ANY give a shit for the entire concept.

I guess it's like professional sports.
Adults, yelling about other (chronological) adults, playing a child's game.

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."

"When I was a child, I played children's games. Then I grew the fuck up."
Oh, I'm terrible at the new stuff. DOOM is pretty simple, actually. It's something that anyone who uses a keyboard and mouse can figure out quickly, but it takes a long time to master. That's why it's still around all these years later; if it was too complicated, it never would have caught on in 1993.

Man, I wish I still had the copy I ordered directly from ID back then after downloading the shareware from a BBS. That stupid box would buy a full set of drive-shafts and gears to go with them nowadays.

I think in my case, I spent so much time in life doing rough stuff that I grew to appreciate geeky things even more over time. It seems I'm more interested in things like that now than I was as a kid.

I missed a lot, in the end, and while I didn't much care, I have enjoyed going back and discovering all the stuff that slipped by me.

Just about everything in my life has that disconnect. Half the building is cool, quiet, dark, and decorated with things you'd expect out of someone like me: Stuff I've picked up here and there, blades, art from around the world... It's traditional "Kennith" stuff.

If you look in the office, though... Man, I've got video games framed on the wall. The Land Rover is bad ass (in my opinion), but it's got an anime reference on the license plate. Half the time I'm facilitating stuff that's interesting, and the other half I'm selling retro electronics.

It's strange, but I guess part of me is just so damned sick of what happens out there that I prefer fantasy entertainment to real-world accounts. The other part always liked it, it seems; just never had a chance to fully explore it all until later.

Life's funny that way. That said, there's nothing more amusing than seeing the expression on someone's face who's been around me a little while when they hear a Doctor Who quote come out of my mouth. You can almost see the gears turning in their head as they attempt to make those two pieces fit together.

Hell, I've been teaching swordsmanship to my lead programmer... In what world does that make sense?

I don't know what the hell I am, but at least there's only one of me. I think we can all appreciate that. Haha!

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Blah blah blah

Man, I wish I still had the copy I ordered directly from ID back then after downloading the shareware from a BBS. That stupid box would buy a full set of drive-shafts and gears to go with them nowadays.

blah blah blah
I dont need gears or driveshafts, but I could use a new tig welder. Who?s buying?
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A couple days ago an old grad school buddy of mine emailed me a link to Doom II. Let me dig it up...

https://archive.org/details/Doom-2

I actually still have the Doom II CD-ROM that I bought back in grad school in '94 or '95. I had played & finished the original Doom in grad school but I can't remember how I got a hold of the original. Probably did a long-ass dial-up shareware download too.
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It's strange, but I guess part of me is just so damned sick of what happens out there that I prefer fantasy entertainment to real-world accounts.
Which also explains my choices in books & movies.
I don't watch tv.
When I'm not working, or pissing people off here, I read or watch a movie.
I've got the "not watch tv" to the same level as jazz music; after a couple minutes, I filter it out.
Crawl in bed at night, I read. My wife turns on the tv.
minutes later, I can't see it or hear it.

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hahahhha!
I sure the rest of the world appreciates that there is only 1 of me, too.
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A couple days ago an old grad school buddy of mine emailed me a link to Doom II. Let me dig it up...

https://archive.org/details/Doom-2

I actually still have the Doom II CD-ROM that I bought back in grad school in '94 or '95. I had played & finished the original Doom in grad school but I can't remember how I got a hold of the original. Probably did a long-ass dial-up shareware download too.
That's generally how it happened at the time. Later you could have picked up a shareware disk at a store for a few bucks, but by that time you were already buying the sequel.

For all the shit it catches as a "mindless game", the story is actually very interesting, and there's a fuck-ton of straight bleeding-edge physics going on. If you ever wanted to see the effects of time dilation play out like a game of chess, explore what's likely the true nature of exobiology, correlate the possession of faith with the mandate of advancement, or simply play a game as "action Jesus", there's only one place to go for it.

As stupid as it sounds, the lore backing up that hair-brained adventure is some of the most solid science fiction ever compiled, if you're into that; and also some of the most theologically and philosophically fertile soil you'll ever step in.

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Which also explains my choices in books & movies.
I don't watch tv.
When I'm not working, or pissing people off here, I read or watch a movie.
I've got the "not watch tv" to the same level as jazz music; after a couple minutes, I filter it out.
Crawl in bed at night, I read. My wife turns on the tv.
minutes later, I can't see it or hear it.


hahahhha!
I sure the rest of the world appreciates that there is only 1 of me, too.
Yeah, there are shows I watch, but it's almost exclusively off the wall kind of stuff. I have watched a bit of the new "Magnum, P.I." though.

Here you are:

Don Bluth's signature on a lithograph of his Castle Pan frame from Dragon's Lair. I got it as a reward for participating in the funding campaign for the movie on some crowd-funding place or another. Hopefully he'll be able to finish it so we can all see the story for once.

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I like money. Seriously, who is buying this junk?

What the fuck...

If this was posted anywhere else, I'd quietly offer the owner $50 in a PM.

Put that damned thing on Ebay, man. It won't bring the sealed or near mint money, but it'll bring some. I'm not sure how much, but it's certainly worth the ten minutes or so it'll take to list it.

I'd run it as a high buy it now for a while to generate interest and pick up stragglers, and then flip it to an auction once you have enough fish on the line.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Doom-Regist...8AAOSwJTtb1ibx

If you've got those disks, you're probably in pretty good shape with a bit of restoration on that box. There are many ways to get it back looking like a nice rectangular prism. Storing it flat does help retain condition over time, but sometimes they just don't want to go full rectangle without a little aid. It's better than the alternative, though. Good move.

One can also buy the disks separate, stick them in the damned box along with the manual and addendum, and then ask for more.

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Jesus... let's get back to talking about Jeeps.

Here's The Fast Lane's attempt at comparing specs/dimensions of the Gladiator to other mid-size trucks:

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/11/202...o-ford-ranger/
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You've laid Doom out on a Discovery front driver's quarter panel. Nice.
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I can't wait to see the new Vibriators cruising around town with black gangsta rims, angry eyes headlight covers, shovels and highlifts permanently mounted, and mountain bikes staged in the bed.
That's why a black one is completely off the table. I can see them already, with green LEDs inside the wheels and Salt Life decals.

Lights are fun, but they've reached critical mass, much like chrome engine dress-up kits. Doesn't matter how much money you spend under the hood, it'll look cheap; because everyone else did it with Autozone parts for years.

There's my concern with the Gladiator as a whole. It's not going to be the next best thing since sliced bread. It can't, because this is largely an "expo-chic" vehicle. Yes, it's got the goods, but that's not even why I'd buy one.

If it stops being cool... Well, the retro Thunderbird was hailed as a victory from a styling perspective upon release. It was a great car, as well, but the customers... Oh, the customers! It fell from grace almost immediately.

I fear the Gladiator might head toward becoming a "bro meme". That works out great for Jeep, but not so great in your driveway.

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You've laid Doom out on a Discovery front driver's quarter panel. Nice.
Next thing you know he'll pop up with a sealed copy of Earthbound in an Ashcroft box.

Not beating my boxed, mail-order copy of Imagination Network, though. Haha!

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Here's The Fast Lane's attempt at comparing specs/dimensions of the Gladiator to other mid-size trucks:

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/11/202...o-ford-ranger/
Man, I don't like those guys too much. They're all over the place, but I suppose they can read numbers as well as anyone else.

There should be no capability surprises with this vehicle. One look at the picture tells you everything you need to know. It'll go off road just fine, but doesn't really belong in the technical stuff. That's a good thing, actually.

The wheelbase doesn't surprise me, as I did have it pegged over 130", though my brain was producing a Wrangler track on an F-250 wheelbase error. You're going to feel every inch of that frame around town, and certainly in tight corners off-pavement.

Clearances are sufficient to keep you out of trouble, though, and this may well be the first non-twitchy vehicle Jeep has ever manufactured.

Of course, this is the company that has a current vehicle with a wheelbase nearing 120" that drives like it's two feet long and ten feet tall, so if anyone can make this train handle like a Riding Mower, it's Jeep.

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Get ready for a huge onslaught of overpriced Tacomas as all the bros dump them to be the cool kids with the new thing but refuse to acknowledge that they shouldn?t have paid over original sticker price for a 3 year old truck with 40k miles.
That's what I was saying. They will ditch their tacos for that jeep and go right back to the tacos in 1-2 years after they get sick of their dashboard lighting up like a Christmas tree every other month or wondering what that 'noise' was. There is a reason the Tacos hold their value.
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Old 12-03-2018, 10:08 AM
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What the fuck...

If this was posted anywhere else, I'd quietly offer the owner $50 in a PM.

Put that damned thing on Ebay, man. It won't bring the sealed or near mint money, but it'll bring some. I'm not sure how much, but it's certainly worth the ten minutes or so it'll take to list it.

I'd run it as a high buy it now for a while to generate interest and pick up stragglers, and then flip it to an auction once you have enough fish on the line.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Doom-Regist...8AAOSwJTtb1ibx

If you've got those disks, you're probably in pretty good shape with a bit of restoration on that box. There are many ways to get it back looking like a nice rectangular prism. Storing it flat does help retain condition over time, but sometimes they just don't want to go full rectangle without a little aid. It's better than the alternative, though. Good move.

One can also buy the disks separate, stick them in the damned box along with the manual and addendum, and then ask for more.

Cheers,

Kennith
I need to get into my attic. I'm sure I have those 3.5's.
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