The Kooks are Back
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No I think it does have something to do with this.. It's the armed group that has set back the argument you want to support. It's the good old boys who turned the whole American public against an almost good argument.
Well I started to and when he sounded like an idiot and I saw all his other interviews on the side of the page I stopped because he wasn't making any damn sense. Kind of like your boy in a box.
Lasted for about 4 minutes, then it sounded like all the other bullshit from others who hate the way the current government has interpreted the constitution. Is it right what happened to Lavoy, probably not, but I can say, because I've seen it first hand at Forest Service and BLM meetings out here over land use, that these guys are bat shit crazy. They brandish weapons and threaten any government agency that they perceive as a threat to the way they want to have it, but then gladly accept financial support from the same agencies. Your the google king, look up how many of these ranchers that are involved have received government cash from the same uncle that they want to change so it it fits their doctrine...
LOL. Yeah, he's an idiot.... He's also a Democrat. That just makes it all the more interesting. He's got a pretty impressive track record for a Sheriff.
Don't get me started on government subsidies. I think ALL of them need to go in the can. And I mean ALL of them. Government subsidies are part of the reason America is in the shape it in. But it's crazy on who takes this "free money". I bet 90% or more of the stuff in your refrigerator came from companies who've accepted subsidies. I would also guess 75% of all farms in America have taken some sort of subsidy in the past.
But you and I both are seeing the problem, or at least the question, here with government, we're just communicating it two different ways. JB does not know enough about any of it to comment.
For example: The Bundy's owned over 600,000 acres that bordered a property taken over by the BLM. The BLM fenced off a pond the Bundy's had State rights to, confirmed by the Court. But the BLM fenced it off anyway and prevented, successfully, from the Bundy's getting water from the pond. Then the BLM gave the Clinton Foundation mineral rights to the property in which they made over $30M from. I don't care who you are, that's just not right, and that's only one example. That was in the 1960's and the Bundy's have been fighting the same raw deals ever since. That would make me bat shit crazy, too.
Can anyone justify the government here? Frank? JB?
I do not agree with what BLM is doing, or any other federal agency that is gobbling up land, either legally or thru some bullshit created to work for them and fucks the land owner. Land ownership out here is a slippery slope, there are many land owners and managers that think they own the mineral rights to their parcels…guess what, NOT.
We've lost a bunch of trails out here due to mining companies, ranchers and .gov closing shit because of "forever wild" initiatives…Let alone housing developments.
We've lost a bunch of trails out here due to mining companies, ranchers and .gov closing shit because of "forever wild" initiatives…Let alone housing developments.
Daniel - Does the government's thumb reach too far? Hell yes it does! But for God's sake - choose your battles. Choose the people you want to stick up for wisely! I assure you I have quite a few issues with the feds but we don't need a bunch of rednecks and idiots playing patriot for us!
I would no more risk my dog's life for one of those idiots! If I'm not mistaken - Your boy Amon Bundy doesn't have a problem with taking money from the US Government - I know he got over $500, 000 from the Feds for his business. I guess he picks and chooses which parts of the federal government he has a problem with.... The asshole grabs a gun, leaves his wife and 6 children and goes off and trashes property that you and I payed for all the while enjoying his half-million dollar federal loan! (Which you and I payed for as well.) Runs off to stand beside his "brothers" in Oregon with his cowboy hat and pistol and the nimrod lives just outside of Phoenix! (He's good at playing the part of just a good ol' cowboy.) These guys will suck like champs off the government's tit but they have a hard time giving anything back.
Government seizure - Madison and Greene county is FULL of families displaced by the SNP. Should they grab their guns and camo, drive up to Big Levels and Old Rag and "occupy" it? Maybe they could trash it as well? Morris, Shifflett, Utz, Smith, Colvin, Nicholson, Corbin, Weakley. All of those families had their shit taken. But hell - if ANYONE should be grabbing guns and occupying public land it should be Native Americans! Lakota, Cheyenne, Pueblo, Sioux - they don't have shit! I'm guessing there isn't many Cheyenne families who had 600,000 acres for their cattle. Pooooor Bundy familly - they've suffered so much!
Lavoy? This "interview" just about sums up this man's mental state of being...
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I would no more risk my dog's life for one of those idiots! If I'm not mistaken - Your boy Amon Bundy doesn't have a problem with taking money from the US Government - I know he got over $500, 000 from the Feds for his business. I guess he picks and chooses which parts of the federal government he has a problem with.... The asshole grabs a gun, leaves his wife and 6 children and goes off and trashes property that you and I payed for all the while enjoying his half-million dollar federal loan! (Which you and I payed for as well.) Runs off to stand beside his "brothers" in Oregon with his cowboy hat and pistol and the nimrod lives just outside of Phoenix! (He's good at playing the part of just a good ol' cowboy.) These guys will suck like champs off the government's tit but they have a hard time giving anything back.
Government seizure - Madison and Greene county is FULL of families displaced by the SNP. Should they grab their guns and camo, drive up to Big Levels and Old Rag and "occupy" it? Maybe they could trash it as well? Morris, Shifflett, Utz, Smith, Colvin, Nicholson, Corbin, Weakley. All of those families had their shit taken. But hell - if ANYONE should be grabbing guns and occupying public land it should be Native Americans! Lakota, Cheyenne, Pueblo, Sioux - they don't have shit! I'm guessing there isn't many Cheyenne families who had 600,000 acres for their cattle. Pooooor Bundy familly - they've suffered so much!
Lavoy? This "interview" just about sums up this man's mental state of being...
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So who should play patriot for us? The Clintons? Harry Reid?
Look around, JB. Since the 1930's, ever since Roosevelt, "rednecks" as you call them, have been fighting the system. If it were not for those "rednecks" you would be paying as much for steak as you pay for those candles.
He got about $230,000 in subsidies. That's chicken shit. Bundy ran over 300,000 cattle on over 600,000 acres of his own land, plus the BLM grazing land. That's less than $1 per cow. Look on EWG.org and you'll see farmers in the Shenandoah Valley collecting over $1M on operations under 600 acres and less than 600 cows.
I'm not defending the man for taking subsidies. These government programs cost the tax payers a LOT of money each year. Plenty of Netflix documentaries on this. But the amount of money the Bundy's took is chicken shit in comparison.
Sound familiar?
But again, I'm not defending him or anyone else on how they did things. Never have. But why are you and I paying for this land? So we can save some fucking weed that grows there? Because of some turtle or frog? Look at all the land "we are paying for".
Why? How?
You may want to check your history book there, JB. These families DID occupy this land. They did grab their guns and set fire to the forest.
Don't forget the Gibson, Shiflet, Shifflet, Hammer, Via, Crawford, Campbell, Dean, or Mace's.
American-Indian War? Or, wars.....
Take in all in context.
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I agree that we shouldn't have to pay for open spaces if it's for recreational use. Farm it, raise cattle on it, make a profit with it and then it's a different story. Should you be subsidized for that use, no fucking way, but they are. Then in the next breath these same "poor farmers and ranchers" refuse to pay the land use fee' and taxes, then claim .gov is taking away their land. They want thier cake, your cake, .gov's cake and any cake they can get thier hands on, with out paying the baker…
It's easy to side with these guy's when the only exposure to them is the news and internet. They paint a picture of .gov ruining thier lives, seizing or taking land that's been in the family for hundreds of years, blah, blah, blah…When in reality they are fighting the system because of a warped interpretation of the constitution and aren't paying thier bills.
Dan, yes, there is fucked up shit with land seizures, guy's losing land leases that are a hundred years old and so on. Most of this is because there are people who are willing to PAY MORE FOR THE LAND than the current lease and land owners. Most of these "patriot's" haven't paid the land use fee's or taxes. They post up interviews and crap all over internet to make people think they are singing kumbaya when in reality they are breaking the law. While a couple of the figure heads may be barely legit, the lemmings that carry on the "cause" and then literally "FIGHT" the system are bat shit crazy. All the cases you've mentioned had extenuating circumstances and you can't generalize them into one problem.
This is a awesome debate-discussion by the way...
It's easy to side with these guy's when the only exposure to them is the news and internet. They paint a picture of .gov ruining thier lives, seizing or taking land that's been in the family for hundreds of years, blah, blah, blah…When in reality they are fighting the system because of a warped interpretation of the constitution and aren't paying thier bills.
Dan, yes, there is fucked up shit with land seizures, guy's losing land leases that are a hundred years old and so on. Most of this is because there are people who are willing to PAY MORE FOR THE LAND than the current lease and land owners. Most of these "patriot's" haven't paid the land use fee's or taxes. They post up interviews and crap all over internet to make people think they are singing kumbaya when in reality they are breaking the law. While a couple of the figure heads may be barely legit, the lemmings that carry on the "cause" and then literally "FIGHT" the system are bat shit crazy. All the cases you've mentioned had extenuating circumstances and you can't generalize them into one problem.
This is a awesome debate-discussion by the way...
Remember a couple pages back when I said that the land here in the midwest was also owned by the gov. and that the large areas of land still owned by the gov. out west was in some way due to the fact that we just haven't expanded that far as a population. This whole argument about what to do with this land has been going on since we started expanding as a nation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/why-the-government-owns-so-much-land-in-the-west.html?_r=0
I would buy a nice 25 acre parcel that no good for farming or ranching as long as it wasn't desert.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/why-the-government-owns-so-much-land-in-the-west.html?_r=0
I would buy a nice 25 acre parcel that no good for farming or ranching as long as it wasn't desert.
Dan, you've been out to the intermountain west, what, once? For the National Rally in Montrose? And now you're an expert on land ownership situation out there because a bunch of white trash (predominately from cities) told you that the government has it all wrong?
LOL.
LOL.
I'm not an expert. If you actually read my posts I stated several times that I was not an expert and that I'd like someone to explain to me how this has come to be. No one has done this yet. Not even you. But since you live there and travel there I guess that makes you an expert. So you want to take a shot at it?
Somehow I doubt you can.
Did you read the article from the nytimes I posted. What is it you want explained? How a cop will shoot your stupid ass if he feels like your a threat to him? Or how taking over a gift shop and harassing a town won't help you argue a point about federal land management? What are you looking for? I just thought you wanted to go off about the man keeping us all down.