2020 Defender
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New baby Bronco. I see a lot of LR DNA. Looks better in some ways than the lux Defender.
'Baby Bronco' leaked completely undisguised in new spy photos - Autoblog
These photos show Ford's new Jeep Renegade competitor completely undisguised ahead of its April debut.www.autoblog.com
Looks like a Discovery Sport
I'll admit, I didn't read the whole article, but what I did read this guy comes across as an arrogant pompous ass who designed the vehicle he envisioned, fuck everyone else.
gearpatrol.com
Land Rover’s Spiritual Leader Makes No Apologies for the Design of the New Defender
Retro really isn’t his thing.
At least a seat with electric adjustments. Having a battery under the driver’s seat has been std practice in Landy Rover history. That was the location in my 1967 NADA 109 SW as well as the ‘95 D90 and ‘03 D110 in Brasil.
The battery in the D5 is behind the panel on the right side of the load compartment - right rear corner of the car.
Just missed seeing a new Defender that was at my local dealer for a few hours today - it was on its way down to a training facility for local dealers and left before I could get over there to see it. My salesman gave me a call but I couldn't get there quickly enough.
Just missed seeing a new Defender that was at my local dealer for a few hours today - it was on its way down to a training facility for local dealers and left before I could get over there to see it. My salesman gave me a call but I couldn't get there quickly enough.
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Old Defender could do all this, too, but with a great deal more drama and requiring a fair degree of knowledge and experience of the driver. In that respect Defender has come of age by in part democratising off-road ability.
It’s more like the gentrification of off-road ability. Those electronics can’t easily be fixed on the trail. Whereas if the weak point in the driveline is a driveshaft or CV joint, or even a differential, that can be dealt with. Off-roading has always been about shuffling the weak point around and being cognizant of it. And of course, having a trail-side fix at the ready.
I don’t disagree that the electronics are inherently more complex than the old D but does that make them the weak point? Outside of some one-offs the computer malfunctions can be fixed with a GAP tool in a few minutes. Ultimately it’s a trade off between comfort and fun/skill
What's a gap tool? It's going to take a pretty high end scan tool to interface with all but powertrain. CAN network is at the diagnostic connector for state emissions test stations. All other coms between the scan tool and the vehicle are on eithernet to the gateway module.
You make it sound as if most of the faults that occur with a vehicle the can utilise a GAP tool just require a simple code clear. What are you fixing in a few minutes with a GAP tool?
I didn't look at the link you posted, but off road capability isn't what made the Defender special. A 2015 Range Rover would have been much more capable off road than a 2015 Defender.
Here's another a little more real world. Note the pic of the river crossing and the Defender with the recovery strap laying in front of it. That crossing doesn't look that difficult to me. As equipped 73k.
jalopnik.com
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2020 Land Rover Defender: What We Learned Over 420 Miles Of African Safari
The Opuwo airstrip had to be cleared of goats before our Beechcraft turboprop could put down on it. The presence of an airplane at all was unusual enough to draw a crowd of spectators to the landing. As the propellers spun down, dust settled around a waiting convoy of overland-kitted 2020 Land...
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2020 Land Rover Defender first drive review: The real deal
Land Rover's modern take on its iconic Defender is every bit as capable and even more comfortable.
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Here's another a little more real world. Note the pic of the river crossing and the Defender with the recovery strap laying in front of it. That crossing doesn't look that difficult to me. As equipped 73k.
2020 Land Rover Defender: What We Learned Over 420 Miles Of African Safari
The Opuwo airstrip had to be cleared of goats before our Beechcraft turboprop could put down on it. The presence of an airplane at all was unusual enough to draw a crowd of spectators to the landing. As the propellers spun down, dust settled around a waiting convoy of overland-kitted 2020 Land...
2020 Land Rover Defender first drive review: The real deal
Land Rover's modern take on its iconic Defender is every bit as capable and even more comfortable.
I don't know, that looks pretty deceptive. It's just the sort of thing I'd avoid "overland".
It's not just being stuck; it's enduring an unnecessarily filthy vehicle for another few hundred miles, muddy recovery gear, muddy boots...
Stuff gets dirty enough as it is; you don't need mud on everything too if it can be avoided, and the tires that tend to be good for long trips are typically not so great leaving a river crossing. Get the strap out there in front ahead of time if you have another vehicle with you, and bolster the egress point with sticks and shit.
It's fun to get stuck in a local stream, but not fun at all 500 miles from a hot, half-hour power shower when night closes in.
Takes about two weeks to decide you were having fun in that event.
Cheers,
Kennith
From everything I’ve encountered first hand and read are common issues the GAP can more than likely get you out of a pickle though. I’ve seen more broken pins on OME shocks than busted air bags on the IFS/IRS Rovers. Of course I’m not nearly as experienced in these as yourself or others.
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Show a link to this GAP tool your talking about. What is a IFS and a IRS Rover ? Tell me a story about how this GAP tool got someone out of a Pickle. I've got time.
https://www.lucky8llc.com/products/gap-diagnostic-iidtool-for-discovery-4-bluetooth-connectivity can access all or nearly all of the computer modules, perhaps most importantly air suspension. Was referring to the air sprung, non-solid axle/pushrod Rovers. LR3, L322 and newer...
Oh I get it now. That will get info out of the powertrain. But none of the other 30 some systems turning on lights and causing no starts. It's a whole new day, Ethernet and Flexray networks running the important shit and CAN running all the rest. But the big problem your up against is the Ethernet part.
Maybe on slick rock, but in the real world a 2015 Defender would have the lethal combination of articulation, superior off-road angles, deflatable tires, and traction control. Add a locker and only a newer Jeep would compare.