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The face of the movement that is bringing this country to its knees. A GQ bandit.
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I'll incite a riot, blah, blah, blah..... but wear a mask so the corona virus don't get me...
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Pittsburgh police search for man accused of inciting a riot during George Floyd protest
Pittsburgh police are searching for a man they said turned Saturday’s protest in the city's downtown over the death of George Floyd into a riot.
I'll incite a riot, blah, blah, blah..... but wear a mask so the corona virus don't get me...
Man accused of inciting violence during Downtown protest pleads not guilty to federal charges
Federal court documents show that the suspect pleaded not guilty and has requested a jury trial.
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Here's what I don't get, what does anybody really expect to change?
Protest, march, demonstrate, set fires, loot. Then what?
You can't legislate out racism. There are already laws against it. Racist people will always exist.
There WILL be a next time. A white cop WILL kill another black man where the situation did not warrant it. It sounds callous but it's true. So what happens then??? Do we just get to the point where only black cops deal with black people, white on white, yellow on yellow, and so on???
IDK, I just don't see an outcome that will satisfy those people hurting, and certainly not those taking advantage of the situation.
Protest, march, demonstrate, set fires, loot. Then what?
You can't legislate out racism. There are already laws against it. Racist people will always exist.
There WILL be a next time. A white cop WILL kill another black man where the situation did not warrant it. It sounds callous but it's true. So what happens then??? Do we just get to the point where only black cops deal with black people, white on white, yellow on yellow, and so on???
IDK, I just don't see an outcome that will satisfy those people hurting, and certainly not those taking advantage of the situation.
I have seen a lot of people calling for the police to be defunded and that money invested into the communities (not sure in which way). To me that seems like deregulating guns and investing in mental health care which I think would be a good thing.
Anybody who has ever played SimCity knows how this turns out.
I live (too)close to Chicago and that idea is laughable. I think reinvesting in communities and changing the social structure in cities like Chicago is needed, but it will take multiple generations for that to pan out. Without police the city will burn to the ground waiting for that to come to fruition.
Until white people start realizing that the police kill white people too, and get mad about that, nothing will change. No this isn't an 'All Lives Matter' rant. Read on, there's a point.
In 2017 police shot 457 white people to death. 370 Black people.
In 2020 it's 42/31.
Yes I understand percentages of population, but 457 white people is still a lot. How many deserved it? I don't know. How many black people deserved it? I don't know. All? None? Half? Does it matter (Probably).
But until we start looking at it as Police killing people and then whether there is a problem the problem, if it exists, isn't going to change.
Protest, sometimes riot and loot, pander pander pander, community talk community talk. Rest. Rest. Rest. Ooops Repeat.
Someone pointed out that it was only about 12 years after the civil rights marches to the Civil Rights act.
How many years has it been since Rodney King got his ass whooped? 29 fucking years. Any change? Nope.
So 1: For real police change the conversation has to move from "racist police" to "militaristic police" Otherwise they still do what they do and hope they don't get caught on camera. When it happens to white people there are no riots are protests so this bears a stand alone statement:
The majority of the time when police kill someone there are no protests. 100% of the time when police kill white people there are no protests. There are only protests when the police kill a black person and even then only sometimes are there protests. So we only protest a very small percentage of the killings. If we want things to change, that has to change. Protest them all or at least question them all.
2: End the 1033 program now. That's the program that funnels surplus military equipment to police. End it now. Dress like a soldier and you will act like a soldier. Leave special military dress up to very small very regulated special teams that are only used as a last resort. Every other cop throughout the nation puts on a fucking Mayberry costume. Every police force with military equipment put in a plan to excess it within 5 years.
3: Put into place "live where you work" policies with the police. Don't live in the city you work? You don't work.
4: Re-instate walking beats. Get the fuck out of your car. Learn to speak to people. Take off your sunglasses when you talk.
5: Depower Unions. Police Unions are extremely powerful.
6: People: Every cop arrest isn't arresting an angel. Every person incarcerated isn't a Saint. Sometimes shitheads get caught being shitheads and taking them down isn't a matter of a polite discussion over a latte. It's an ugly messy affair, but it should be to the training standard and no more.
That's a 5 year plan and I guarantee it would result in positive outcomes.
But nah, let's black out our facebook profile pictures on Blackout Tuesday to "amplify melanin voices"
In 2017 police shot 457 white people to death. 370 Black people.
In 2020 it's 42/31.
Yes I understand percentages of population, but 457 white people is still a lot. How many deserved it? I don't know. How many black people deserved it? I don't know. All? None? Half? Does it matter (Probably).
But until we start looking at it as Police killing people and then whether there is a problem the problem, if it exists, isn't going to change.
Protest, sometimes riot and loot, pander pander pander, community talk community talk. Rest. Rest. Rest. Ooops Repeat.
Someone pointed out that it was only about 12 years after the civil rights marches to the Civil Rights act.
How many years has it been since Rodney King got his ass whooped? 29 fucking years. Any change? Nope.
So 1: For real police change the conversation has to move from "racist police" to "militaristic police" Otherwise they still do what they do and hope they don't get caught on camera. When it happens to white people there are no riots are protests so this bears a stand alone statement:
The majority of the time when police kill someone there are no protests. 100% of the time when police kill white people there are no protests. There are only protests when the police kill a black person and even then only sometimes are there protests. So we only protest a very small percentage of the killings. If we want things to change, that has to change. Protest them all or at least question them all.
2: End the 1033 program now. That's the program that funnels surplus military equipment to police. End it now. Dress like a soldier and you will act like a soldier. Leave special military dress up to very small very regulated special teams that are only used as a last resort. Every other cop throughout the nation puts on a fucking Mayberry costume. Every police force with military equipment put in a plan to excess it within 5 years.
3: Put into place "live where you work" policies with the police. Don't live in the city you work? You don't work.
4: Re-instate walking beats. Get the fuck out of your car. Learn to speak to people. Take off your sunglasses when you talk.
5: Depower Unions. Police Unions are extremely powerful.
6: People: Every cop arrest isn't arresting an angel. Every person incarcerated isn't a Saint. Sometimes shitheads get caught being shitheads and taking them down isn't a matter of a polite discussion over a latte. It's an ugly messy affair, but it should be to the training standard and no more.
That's a 5 year plan and I guarantee it would result in positive outcomes.
But nah, let's black out our facebook profile pictures on Blackout Tuesday to "amplify melanin voices"
I think you make some good points Mike. One outcome of this that will make things likely even more difficult to turn things positively is recruiting a good police force. It has been increasingly difficult for law enforcement to hire officers, especially minorities, due to negative stigma and low pay. Don’t see these events helping that at all
Yep.
Another thing my cop friends discuss and discuss and discuss and it goes no where:
Gen Y, Millennials (and subsequent generations) don't know how to fight. They were taught their entire lives violence is bad and everything can be solved through discussion. Fight in school? Expelled. Fight a bully? Expelled. Discuss fighting? Socially outcast.
Because they don't know how to fight they are scared shitless to get into a fight, literally shaking with fear to fight someone. Because they are scared shitless to fight and don't know how to fight the first thing they do is pull out their tazer or gun.
Things that could be solved/rectified with a scuffle results in guns drawn in every fucking interaction. You pull guns enough times and eventually they're used.
i've been saying the exact same thing for years now. until we remove the adjectives we can't address the real question.
'why are _________ cops murdering _________ criminals?' the real issue is not addressed because the real issue does not allow 24 hour news channels to charge more for advertising dollars. there are too many non profit companies whose sole revenue is generated if racial issues persist.
if someone is resisting and endangering safety then by all means detain, taze, pepper spray, whatever you have to do aside from murder. if it is justified then sobeit...that's for a review board or grand jury to determine.
we all have the right to fair trial. that constitutional right is eliminated once the law enforcement officer carries out the judicial arms job.
we are a land of laws however now we are a land of social opinion. kind have always been that way but now with camera phones and a rush to create a divisive news report all bets are off.
so why have we let cops murder unarmed civilians??? fuck the race issue. address how cops are doing their job and theoretically it's no longer a race issue. but then al sharpton will be out of a job. the powers that be don't want a cure because the disease pays their salaries.
https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/...Tupc1m4UEy4N31MZ3DhV6LczSDgDjbM1tGcNZEE0w#top
Actual stats and analysis. Pretty interesting. Blasts lots of holes in lots of arguments that are based on anecdotes instead of real data and has thought behind it and the implications.
Actual stats and analysis. Pretty interesting. Blasts lots of holes in lots of arguments that are based on anecdotes instead of real data and has thought behind it and the implications.
like i posted. if you want the best and brightest you have to offer more than $50 something k a year to start.
and like i posted the brotherhood works two ways... take care of your own but also take care of your own. all of us veterans know there are a lot of shit birds we served along side, and we took care of them. we didn't allow them to tarnish us.
What does that mean? (not being a dick - I'm serious: what does "changing the social structure" mean and how is that accomplished?)
I'm not endorsing that idea of defunding the police. I've had the unfortunate pleasure of calling 911 and having them tell me there is too much police activity in the area, so they won't be coming.
It can’t be accomplished.
Take all the money in Chicago, divide it equally between all its citizens, and it will still be the same violent shit hole it is now. It may look a bit different for a few years but it will end up the exact same.
I don't outright disagree with anything you said, but communities need to change from within. I doubt the police like being in the shitty neighborhoods as much as the residents don't like them being there. Don't want the police around? Don't give them reason to be there. That means a cultural change. A HUGE cultural change of self responsibility. Clean up your mess, or someone else will!
It's not about money, well not entirely. It's about a fundamental change in priorities and what is valued. Not to get political, but there's a reason the biggest shitholes are Democratic. They've worked very hard over decades to make those people in the city think they have their best interests in mind.
It will never happen because they won't allow it to happen.
Unfortunately as soon as the author starts talking about Zimmerman being beaten by Martin nothing said previously will resonate.
my fortunate since there are good points but authors need to know when to cut things to reach a wider audience.
Yes I know, shots were fired, but what do you think would be the outcome if this woman would have been black.
I understand this isn't true 100%, especially for black people, sometimes they do get hassled by the man for no reason. That said it doesn't matter if every cop is a racist pig, don't beak the law and you won't have to deal with them. Cause and effect.
Dude ran over her ass...
I understand this isn't true 100%, especially for black people, sometimes they do get hassled by the man for no reason. That said it doesn't matter if every cop is a racist pig, don't beak the law and you won't have to deal with them. Cause and effect.
Dude ran over her ass...