33 x 12.5 Super Swampers on a Lifted LR3

[CoyGlasscock]

Can?t nor won?t give out any more details until in production, but I can tell you that our 2.5? Lift-Kit for the LR3 is done and should be on the market soon. What I can tell you is that it is not ?shorten rods?, nor a computer hack. The air bags will remain at factory pressure and the computer has no idea its been done.

Also installed is a set of Interco Tire ?Super Swampers? the actual measured is a little different then what they say on their web site. After the install and on the weighted vehicle we got 33.3? x 12.4?.
Many people have said you cannot fit this tire, I can tell you, YES, YOU CAN. If you don?t mind cutting a portion of your rear fender well out, and also putting a custom spacer up front, and still taking a ?grinder? to your upper control arms, then relocating a line or two and then adding an extra 2-3? of lift.

After all that they fit great!!!


Actually in all seriousness, these tires WILL NOT fit a factory LR3, not even close.

Here is a pic, but not the detailed ones, not yet anyway.

 

[jwest]

Sounds awesome.

What about the camber and other handling issues that are affected by driving at that height?

Spacers up front, for what? Hopefully you don't mean spacers for the wheels which ads more stress to the already poor design/build.

Grinding that arm is required but isn't a little like trying to make the lr3 be something it can't really be?

Lastly, driving at 2-3" higher, all the time (and which is it 2 or 3?) thus reduces the wheel travel by approaching it's max height. Lastly, how does this work if maintaining the stock air spring pressure? In my experience the compressor likes to run quite a lot more when in lifted mode and even more in extended mode - which is close to where 3" would put it.

I want all this to work but am very skeptical it really ever will work out very well without significantly increasing problems and failures.

Unless your system is on the fly user adjustable, it is lacking. An lr3 with 33's near it's maximum down travel will be a funny ride on trails as it harshly negotiates major changes in terrain - like some of the other makes that don't have much travel in the air suspension.

It looks totally cool and would be incredible for some situations like deep snow on more or less even trails and with approach and departure angles, but otherwise sounds like trouble.

 

[KevinNY]

Nice show truck tires, bad choice. Fit some SSR's.

 

[gordonwh]

Lastly, driving at 2-3" higher, all the time (and which is it 2 or 3?) thus reduces the wheel travel by approaching it's max height. Lastly, how does this work if maintaining the stock air spring pressure? In my experience the compressor likes to run quite a lot more when in lifted mode and even more in extended mode - which is close to where 3" would put it.

I want all this to work but am very skeptical it really ever will work out very well without significantly increasing problems and failures.

Unless your system is on the fly user adjustable, it is lacking. An lr3 with 33's near it's maximum down travel will be a funny ride on trails as it harshly negotiates major changes in terrain - like some of the other makes that don't have much travel in the air suspension.

It looks totally cool and would be incredible for some situations like deep snow on more or less even trails and with approach and departure angles, but otherwise sounds like trouble.

You're not listening to him - the height is not gained from increasing the air-bag pressure. He's getting it from something like using suspension mount spacers, or modifying the attachment points. I've tried the former, and yes, there are some camber issues and it twitches a little at speed, but you still have full wheel articulation and the air-bags are at normal extensions, so there's no additional work load on the compressor. My main concern with that particular mod was the fact that it's relatively permanent, and the effect that would have on the front outer CV joints. KAM are developing heavy-duty CVs for the D3/LR3 which might address this issue, but for the moment, it's still a problem.

And yes, the SSR's are an oversize tyre - I fitted 265/70/17 SSR's and they measured 32.6" diameter!

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[jwest]

Actually, I was listening, which is why I asked how the air pressure remains. I don't like how soft the factory air setting is though, it allows much more body roll than I prefer.

Your description of one solution does not sound all that great either though for long term use. When you say "twitchy", I don't know how fast you drive but the lr3 is twitchy period, at any speed due to the weird dynamics designed into it.

 

[RVRSRVC]

Twitchy: Try having your 16 year old put his minimum driving time in for his license in a LR3! Can't wait until he gets a little more comfortable...

 

[gordonwh]

Actually, I was listening, which is why I asked how the air pressure remains. I don't like how soft the factory air setting is though, it allows much more body roll than I prefer.

Your description of one solution does not sound all that great either though for long term use. When you say "twitchy", I don't know how fast you drive but the lr3 is twitchy period, at any speed due to the weird dynamics designed into it.

Well, if you're listening, perhaps you don't understand what you're listening to? You asked:

Lastly, how does this work if maintaining the stock air spring pressure? In my experience the compressor likes to run quite a lot more when in lifted mode and even more in extended mode - which is close to where 3" would put it.

which is a meaningless comment in this context - the suspension is _not_ in extended mode. The air system has nothing to do with this sort of lift. So there is _no_ additional load on the compressor.

Yes, I too had reservations about this as a permanent mod, because of the issues I outlined. However, the same is true of all lift solutions, in varying amounts. So if you're happy lifting a stock D1/D2 without being too concerned with the CVs, you'd probably be happy with the same approach on a D3/LR3. No lifted 4WD handles as well as standard, without a _lot_ of modification, and even then, the laws of physics will get you in the end. So the issues I'm raising are really pretty petty in the end.

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[CoyGlasscock]

Guys I really appricate your feedback and we are trying to address as much of the potential problems as we can. First and foremost a lifted vehicel is not for everyone. I am simply trying to give options, there will need to be alot of others things altered to make a LR3 a real 4x4. This is just 1 of those things. Believe me, I am sure my "banker" wishes I had a patten on everything needed to make it perfect, but I don't.

Just to answer some of the questions and concerns that have come to me over the various places:

YES its already on trails being tested
YES if you drive off-road you could break parts.
YES if you modify your vehical you could break parts.
YES a lifted 4x4 will NOT allow for factory alignments.
YES a lifted 4x4 will drive and handle like a "lifted" 4x4.

This is a lift-kit, not CV or axle kit, for that I would send you to Currie they can upgrade you with a custom for the same price as replacing your factory parts. The Land Rover can be altered just the same as the Fords, Toyotas, GMCs and Jeeps I have built in the last 20 years.

Just like a Jeep running a Dana 30/35 combo if you want to put 35" tires you will need to change alot of things other than just adding a lift kit.

If you want just 1 fool proof solution for no broken parts and no steering issues. Another recommendation you may want to consider is switch to a Freelander and don't take it off-road. That way you could save money on gas.

Altering your vehicel is not recommended by any auto maufacture and for a reason.

 

[nosivad_bor]

So if you're happy lifting a stock D1/D2 without being too concerned with the CVs, you'd probably be happy with the same approach on a D3/LR3. .

Cheers,

Gordon

Lift has nothing to do with CV's on Disco1/2.

 

[Jake_ak_cent]

Quick question. Will this version, or will you be making a version, that works on Range Rovers?

 

[jwest]

context - the suspension is _not_ in extended mode. The air system has nothing to do with this sort of lift. So there is _no_ additional load on the compressor.

It wasn't meaningless because he did not specify the exact type of mod this would be - so you are making assumptions. I was simply pointing out issues that would be important to me. If he is serious about selling this kit, these issues will need to be addressed.

The OP can answer mine just fine - seeing as he is the one with the information on what he is doing, not you.

As for the air pressure not changing, then it will in fact handle like a pig. Higher pressure would help especially when higher off the ground. We drive 80mph + here all the time so maybe you aren't used to that being an issue. I have a gross weight of 8000 lbs or more on trips so less body roll would be welcomed when crossing the country and through the mountains.

Simply spacing the independent suspension is going to suck for real performance. The angles and wheel travel will get all f-d up - but the clearance will be high and it will look cool.

 

[jwest]

YES a lifted 4x4 will drive and handle like a "lifted" 4x4.

No it won't. The LR3 will not handle nearly as well as any other lifted 4x4 because simply lifting the silly IS will have very different issues than any 4x4 you could be talking about in that sentence.

Have you thought about portals instead of spacers? The stock suspension angles could be retained, as well as stock track, while gaining the much desired clearance. Wheel travel and all the related bits could stay within their designed strength ranges more easily too.

If this kit is permanent, it is missing the best of the ability in the LR3 which is to go on highway trips to a place where the suspension is then altered for better trail use. All the while being very safe on the way home again. With a 2-3" lift built in, I'd want to be able to use the "load level" which is much firmer to cruise on the highway.

You aren't by any chance creating new arms, like to replace the ones that blew apart in chicago? If these were longer, you'd get back some of the travel and proper track without stressing the hubs with spacers full time.

 

[Ho]

Can?t nor won?t give out any more details until in production,

then until you are ready to give detailed information, you are banned.

worthless post.

actually, you are banned for good.

 

[D Chapman]

Oh shit, who's truck is that? I was in CA last week and had lunch/drinks with a blond chick driving that very truck. Pretty cool lady - horny as shit all the time.....

Banned, lol....

 

[Viper_iii]

then until you are ready to give detailed information, you are banned.

worthless post.

actually, you are banned for good.

:banghead:BAN Request:banghead:

Please Ban HO:

Reason:
Worthless Ban:thehand:

 

[varova87]

:banghead:BAN Request:banghead:

Please Ban HO:

Reason:
Worthless Ban:thehand:

:rofl:

you're off to a great start! you won't last long.

 

[lunchbox]

That was fucking funny. Banned twice in 24hr. Nice

 

[GotRovr]

The comment "taking a ?grinder? to your upper control arms" is what concerns me at the moment.