9mm for bear defense?

SCSL

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If one doesn't practice regularly with large caliber magnum rounds, one would be much better served with 15-17 rounds of 9mm. As evidenced by this happenstance.
 

pinkytoe69

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If one doesn't practice regularly with large caliber magnum rounds, one would be much better served with 15-17 rounds of 9mm. As evidenced by this happenstance.
What's the difference?

Note: I'm not a gun guy, but my uncle is ex-navy and is a bit of a hobbyist/sportsman. He's taken me along for some of those timed simulation deals where you run around shooting thru windows and around walls.

First time I had a 9mm with a laser sight, second time I had a stock 1911 (I think...it was old, semi-auto, and .45 cal).

Aside from the laser sight obviously making things easier, I didn't notice much of a difference in accuracy or kick.
 

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What's the difference?

Note: I'm not a gun guy, but my uncle is ex-navy and is a bit of a hobbyist/sportsman. He's taken me along for some of those timed simulation deals where you run around shooting thru windows and around walls.

First time I had a 9mm with a laser sight, second time I had a stock 1911 (I think...it was old, semi-auto, and .45 cal).

Aside from the laser sight obviously making things easier, I didn't notice much of a difference in accuracy or kick.
There's quite a step up in recoil from 9mm & .45acp to the normally carried sidearm for bear defense like .44mag, .454 Casull, 10mm, etc.

This does a decent job of showing the difference in recoil of a few different rounds:

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Keep in mind that a 9mm will have less recoil that even the 45 Colt.
 

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Yep. Firing a powerful revolver is something else. Nothing like a "normal" defense auto.

I have a scar on my noggin because I didn't respect a .454 Casull. I wasn't holding on tight enough and was figuring the recoil would be something akin to a .44 Magnum; just more so. The front sight came back and popped me in the head. That may explain so many things.......
 

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So, being a noob I figured caliber was king. I didnt know all those suffixes denoted how much juice was behind the caliber. Makes sense...

 

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Yep. Firing a powerful revolver is something else. Nothing like a "normal" defense auto.

I have a scar on my noggin because I didn't respect a .454 Casull. I wasn't holding on tight enough and was figuring the recoil would be something akin to a .44 Magnum; just more so. The front sight came back and popped me in the head. That may explain so many things.......
The biggest pistol I've shot is my dad's S&W Dirty Harry .44 Mag. That's quite enough for me. I really don't have a desire to shoot anything bigger. It's the same with rifles. I have a .338 Win Mag and that's about my limit.

I just have a lot more fun shooting 9mms & I'm much better using something that has lighter recoil than trying to manage a beast.
 

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The biggest pistol I've shot is my dad's S&W Dirty Harry .44 Mag. That's quite enough for me. I really don't have a desire to shoot anything bigger.
Out of curiosity, if they're such a literal pain to shoot, what is the point of a hand-cannon?

Other than bears of course :)
 

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So, being a noob I figured caliber was king. I didnt know all those suffixes denoted how much juice was behind the caliber. Makes sense...

One of the most convoluted things in the history of history is caliber designations. A .38 Special is, in fact, .356-.357. A .44 Magnum is, in fact, a .429. And so on............
 

Mike_Rupp

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One of the most convoluted things in the history of history is caliber designations. A .38 Special is, in fact, .356-.357. A .44 Magnum is, in fact, a .429. And so on............
I remember when I was a kid and learned that a .38 Special round is just a short .357 magnum. I was like WTF?
 

SCSL

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What's the difference?

Note: I'm not a gun guy, but my uncle is ex-navy and is a bit of a hobbyist/sportsman. He's taken me along for some of those timed simulation deals where you run around shooting thru windows and around walls.

First time I had a 9mm with a laser sight, second time I had a stock 1911 (I think...it was old, semi-auto, and .45 cal).

Aside from the laser sight obviously making things easier, I didn't notice much of a difference in accuracy or kick.
Mike already answered, and dead on. So just to set the point in sharper relief, the difference in recoil between a 9mm and .45 ACP pales in comparison to the difference between either and that of a .357 magnum. So when you get into .44 magnum and the various .50+ cartridges, one really needs to practice regularly to even hit a target at 20'. Let alone a moving (roaring) target. Seriously.
 

pinkytoe69

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So when you get into...the various .50+ cartridges, one really needs to practice regularly to even hit a target at 20'. Let alone a moving (roaring) target. Seriously.
The second time I went, there was a round butch woman with a desert eagle. She wasnt the most accurate, but not terrible either.

Anyway, even with ear plugs in, you could really tell a difference in bass between that thing and what every one else was shooting. "And...thats why they call them hand cannons", moment for me.

(cool story bro):victory: