Amsoil

[rover4x4]

Not an oil thread yet. Ive been using Mobil one in my Civic good stuff I can get 38 to a gallon no sweat. I swapped to the Amsoil and now I am up around 40-42 mpg, best so far is 44 and thats with a Yakima rack. The rep says I am wasting money changing it at 5k intervals he says 25k no prob. Ive read a lot about oil etc Amsoil has lots of believers. Maybe its owning a Rover that has gotten me all paranoid about oil change intervals. I know that at 5k on the Honda the oil looks like what is in my Rover at 800 miles. Obviously a much better engineered engine new technology blah blah blah. Is anyone here using the Amsoil at these intervals?

 

[Ballah06]

Not an oil thread yet. Ive been using Mobil one in my Civic good stuff I can get 38 to a gallon no sweat. I swapped to the Amsoil and now I am up around 40-42 mpg, best so far is 44 and thats with a Yakima rack. The rep says I am wasting money changing it at 5k intervals he says 25k no prob. Ive read a lot about oil etc Amsoil has lots of believers. Maybe its owning a Rover that has gotten me all paranoid about oil change intervals. I know that at 5k on the Honda the oil looks like what is in my Rover at 800 miles. Obviously a much better engineered engine new technology blah blah blah. Is anyone here using the Amsoil at these intervals?

Not an oil expert here by any means, but what year/mileage Civic? Also, what does the "manual" call for oil change wise? 25k seems a "bit" excessive.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Do you sell Amsoil?

I've been driving for 25 years and experimented with different oils on several cars and have never noticed a difference in fuel economy. Especially if you didn't change viscosity, I call BS.

 

[rover4x4]

Im not a dealer I just swapped to it I have been keeping close records of fuel mileage etc since I bought this Honda. Its a 97 with 77k miles on it Ive almost had it a year and have driven it about 20k. the best I ever got running the Mobil was 42 to the gallon and that was really hard. I swapped to the Amsoil and got 44 driving sensibly, I am think if I really tried I could get closer to 50.... I have not changed anything other than the brand of oil. I am not sure what the manual says on oil changes, Ive been at 5k intervals since I got this car. The amsoil people I talk to say they are going 20,000+ on their intervals using an Amsoil filter. Im able to get the Amsoil cheaper than the Mobil and on paper its a better product so why not use it? Were not talking Land Rovers here, but I might switch them to the Amsoil. Ive read a few oil sites and everyone seems to talk this Amsoil stuff up a lot.

 

[chris snell]

Amsoil may be a good oil but I will never buy it because the MLM aspect annoys me.

 

[jhmover]

Paging Chris St. Louis...paging Chris St. Louis

 

[kennith]

My DII has been on Amsoil since the third interval, which I considered to be roughly the end of the break-in period.

I change the oil at 3000 mile intervals, as well as before and after trips that will potentially exceed 1000 miles. I also change the oil before and after extended periods of off-pavement driving. The oil filter is changed every time, and the engine is flushed with cheap synthetic and cleaner every three oil changes.

I use very good oil, and I change it very frequently. My engine is always exceptionally clean inside and out. If visible dust is present in the engine bay, I consider it dirty.

My aim is always to drain it amber. I likewise change my coolant frequently; every two years or every 20,000 miles, whichever comes first. The coolant is changed before extended off-pavement trips as well.

The differential and transfer case fluids are maintained carefully as well. The differential fluid is also changed, if needed, before, during, and/or after off-pavement driving. The transfer case fluid is changed depending on use.

The ZF transmissions are very, very finicky. Change the fluid too late, and you could be looking at a very expensive yet very stupid problem. Mine is changed depending upon use, but it will vary between 30 and 50,000 miles.

Brake fluid is changed as needed, as is the power steering fluid, but no less often than every 20,000 miles.

The drive-shafts are greased religiously, as needed, but no less often than every 2,000 miles.

These intervals don't make sense to many, but they do to me. My Rover needs to be reliable, and it is indeed reliable. Aside from annoying alternator issues, which I am solving, it doesn't have many issues. It has never once broken down, and never once failed to get me where I am going and back.

The engine runs like new.

Many other parts are watched carefully and changed at specific intervals or as needed. Even my washer fluid is chosen carefully and diluted as I require for the conditions I expect to experience.

If a drop of any fluid hits the ground, for any reason, it's going up on stands for repairs. That has never happened. I use the military leak classification system to inspect and schedule for service any fluid problems, but the vehicle is scheduled for dead-lining at class 2.

The only persistent issues have been the shimmy and the amigos. I don't give a flying fuck about the amigos; I just disable the crap to begin with using the CDL trick if it starts to bug me. Sooner or later, that entire system is coming out.

The shimmy has seen a lot of money thrown at it, and now it's going away once and for all.

My DII doesn't cost much at all in repairs, but I spend a lot of money on maintenance. My other cars simply receive conventional service based upon their value. Anything on a warranty is serviced as the manual suggests.

There is no reason to follow my example simply because I do it; it's just what I do.

As for Amsoil, it works as advertised, but that's not the only factor. You have to use a very good filter and change it often. Still, the engine itself contaminates the oil, which is part of the reason for my frequent oil changes.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[robertf]

scamsoil

 

[KyleT]

scamsoil

x2. im not even going to type out my experiences with amsoil. never in my own cars thankfully.

 

[kennith]

There is no scam in Amsoil. It's marketed like Mary Kay, this is true, but it grew entirely through that unfortunate arena. That era is over now, and hopefully their plans will change.

Amsoil brought synthetic oil to the public eye, followed by everyone else. That was no scam, that was innovation. It was a slow grower in the market, and the big boys throttled Amsoil with their marketing, but Amsoil remains today, just behind the curtain, pushing progress in the market.

If their products are a scam, than so is every other synthetic oil on the market, Mobil 1 included.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Andrew Homan]

Do you sell Amsoil?

I've been driving for 25 years and experimented with different oils on several cars and have never noticed a difference in fuel economy. Especially if you didn't change viscosity, I call BS.

X2 I get tired of the "wonder oil pitch". Change it like the factory says and go on with life.

 

[robertf]

palm to forehead. put the koolaid down.

 

[kennith]

palm to forehead. put the koolaid down.

Have you ever used a synthetic oil?

It's oil. It lubricates. It works.

There is no Koolaid. Amsoil is simply a high quality synthetic that's not made in the same massive quantities as the other brands. As I said, they brought synthetic to the market, and I think they deserve a better lot that being called Koolaid for that.

If it's wonder-oil, so is Mobil 1. It's a smaller manufacturer synthetic oil, like Red-Line or Royal Purple. They offer many of the same options and sometimes more than the competition.

There is oil (like the big boys), there are filters (like the big boys), there are other lubricants (like the big boys), and they take a bit of pride in their product (like some of the big boys, but Amsoil waves a bigger flag, what with being the public original, and all).

When it hit the market, I'm sure it was indeed massively looked at as Koolaid. Synthetic oil? Who needs it? I've been running dinosaur oil for 500 years, and I ain't had a problem yet!

It's just another option out there for people. It's not going to turn a Prius into a muscle car or a Land Rover into a Prius, but neither will anything else. It's still good oil. It's not like it's going to break your damn engine, for crying out loud.

If it was sitting on a shelf at O'Reilys like everything else, people wouldn't have a problem with it, and it would be closer to the price of everything else, as well. Unfortunately, it is not, and you have to either buy it direct or pay some ass-hat too much money for it.

That leaves you a few options. First, you can find a retailer. Odds are there are a few places in even small towns that have it on the shelf, but they won't be national chains. Strange, then, that all you "little guy" supporters wouldn't know that, eh?

Second, you can buy full-price direct, or just join the little club and get the discount; perhaps even sell a bit on the side to a few neighbors, if you have any.

Third, find a better ass-hat, or learn how to haggle. You are now dealing with real people, and not only is it fun, you can walk away knowing you dealt with one of the "little guys", and got a deal out of it as well.

Is that so hard? With all the obscure, stupid music that everyone googles to be a bit more "earthy", and all the silly cigar and scotch bullshit, it's a right anachronism that Amsoil isn't a bit more popular here. Hell, people have found a way to make even moonshine pompous, of all things.

It doesn't make a lick of sense to look down your nose at the smaller player.

God forbid I should buy oil from a real person, made by a smaller company that is arguably a tiny bit more "American" than the big boys. Yeah, they need to get their asses out of that Mary Kay marketing nonsense, but that doesn't invalidate their quality.

In short, it doesn't suck.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

I'm not trying to push the stuff, but the idea that it sucks is ridiculous. I don't bother my associations about it, but I do use it.

And, guess what? My engines haven't exploded into little balls of "I told you so" yet. It works just fine.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[MarkP]

Amsoil is high end synthetic oil but 25K change intervals ignores the fact that engines ingest contamination in several ways. If you want to go 25K you will need a bypass filtration system. Without one I wouldn't go over 10K or so.

 

[adriatic04]

Mobil Delvac seems to last a bit longer for me compared to Rotella T. Both are changed 3K regardless but with Rotella I notice the need to top up right around 2-2500 miles (quarter quart)

Rover has had these oils since about 18k, now at 67k.

 

[LR Max]

The rep says I am wasting money changing it at 5k intervals he says 25k no prob.

I believe this, there are a number of big rig oils out there that last thing long.

HOWEVER, the filter DOES NOT. A lot of people have gotten the shaft on this department. Sure, the oil will last that long but the filter gets clogged way before that.

Hit up the Subaru Forums. The topic of oil is friggen ridiculous. They've got it down to a science and beaten to death.

 

[Levi]

I ran the 2-cycle in my old jetski for one summer and threw a rod. I had to argue with Kawasaki to warranty it because I wasn't using Kawasaki oil but they ended up rebuilding it for free.

 

[marc olivares]

I used to run it in mine, a coworker was a dealer so I got it at cost.
seemed to be fine enough until I pulled the top end apart. that shit coked up the rockers so badly I was shocked.
it look like an engine with twice the milage.
as a comparison, I did the headgaskets on a buddys d1 with the same vintage and milage who uses nothing but cheap "on sale" oil.
his shit was coked too, but no where near as much.

I won't put that oil in anything I own again.

 

[wooderson]

stick with Mobil