Amsoil

[kennith]

It's absolutely true that you need to watch your filters, and they don't speak against it.

Oil has reached a point where it's going to last longer than the engine itself can stand, so you have to keep that engine clean. The engine contaminates itself, and that stuff has to come out, so, you watch your filters, changing them as frequently as required. You also have to make sure that you are using the proper filters both for your application and for extended drain intervals.

Amsoil isn't the only company producing lubricants that can survive for very long periods of time. The big issue isn't whether or not the oil will last, it's whether or not you can trap the contaminants it picks up along the way.

It's not a big money-saver, so far as the oil itself goes. If, however, you have need of those extended drain intervals, it's a good move. Likewise, if you just want something to put up with absolute hell and still promise to work properly until the drain, it's a good move, but so are the other oils in this league. I change my oil properly. For me, the upper shelf oils are insurance, and I can never have too much insurance, as far as reliability and longevity go.

Oil hasn't always been able to hold together this long. In fact, much of it still doesn't. Amsoil and their peers are ahead of the game a bit, in that regard. If you don't care or don't need it, that's fine, but don't call it shit, because it isn't.

As for the bypass system, Amsoil offers one.

It's not the end-all be-all for everyone, but it's good stuff, and people would do well to recognize it. Run them out of business simply out of ignorance, and all you've done is put us one step closer to that big Wal-Mart in the sky.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

I used to run it in mine, a coworker was a dealer so I got it at cost.
seemed to be fine enough until I pulled the top end apart. that shit coked up the rockers so badly I was shocked.
it look like an engine with twice the milage.
as a comparison, I did the headgaskets on a buddys d1 with the same vintage and milage who uses nothing but cheap "on sale" oil.
his shit was coked too, but no where near as much.

I won't put that oil in anything I own again.

My top end is quite clean. If you drive the RV8 like any other engine, it's going to shit all over itself no matter what you do. It's a damn dirty engine, especially if it's not abused properly.

You can't blame Amsoil for a dirty RV8. You could lube it up between the legs of a horny Greek goddess and all it would do is enjoy a better way to get all dirty.

You could have popped the covers off after using any other oil and seen that. Amsoil isn't magic. You still have to wring out a RV8 like a cheap prostitute.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

I ran the 2-cycle in my old jetski for one summer and threw a rod. I had to argue with Kawasaki to warranty it because I wasn't using Kawasaki oil but they ended up rebuilding it for free.

I put in a new battery and my blower motor shorted not too long afterword. Must have been that damn battery.

All this stuff falls in to the "My pah had a Chevy once, and it broke when he put that Shell gas in, so I ain't buyin neither ever again, cuz Fords better n'my gran-pappy runs that Exxon down th'road" category.

When dealing with something not everyone has used, the problems come out of the woodwork in contest, regardless of their merit. A dirty Rover V8? C'mon. You may as well complain about the humidity in the Amazon.

As for the jet ski, Kawasaki asks you to use their oil. Never mind why. They just do. If you don't, they can deny you service. That damn thing would have thrown a rod no matter what you were using.

Hell, I used Mobil 1 in a car one time and the rear main blew out. Made a hell of a mess. A friend of mine toasted an engine while using it. Shall we now assume that Mobil 1 is shit?

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[marc olivares]

blah, blah, blah...Amsoil isn't magic...blah, blah, blah

Cheers,

Kennith

thank you, kennith, my point exactly

 

[Levi]

As for the jet ski, Kawasaki asks you to use their oil. Never mind why. They just do. If you don't, they can deny you service. That damn thing would have thrown a rod no matter what you were using.

Kennith

Ok, you are probably right. But it was a brand new ski and I hadn't heard any troubles like this on the Ultra 150 except for idiots trying to compress water after sinking their skis. However, the first question I was asked when bringing it in was what kind of oil I was using.

Is there any testing data available for the oil; that is after it has been used for 25k or whatever the claimed change interval is with proper filter changes?

 

[robertf]

Have you ever used a synthetic oil?

sure, and amsoil markets some neat stuff like biodegradable hydraulic fluids.

Their auto line is the same as cutco and amway toilet paper. Its percieved quality is proportional to the slickness of the salesman.

 

[sideview]

I used Amsoil a couple changes ago. It was as black as Mobil gets by 3K.

 

[p m]

As for the jet ski, Kawasaki asks you to use their oil. Never mind why.

This is pretty easy, actually.
(1) they drive the living hell out of their motors using with some name-brand oil, and once they are happy with it, they rebrand it with Kawasaki, and sell at 4x the price. Same technique applies to all rebranded fluids.

(2) not using their rebranded fluid voids the warranty, which gives them neat bottom-line savings. Regardless of whether there's any merit to that or not.

 

[MarkP]

I used Amsoil a couple changes ago. It was as black as Mobil gets by 3K.

Exactly. Which is why using extended change oil without augmenting filtration is an exercise in futility.

 

[Bannon88]

Rotella 15W40...comes out black @ 3000 miles as well. So black Richard Roundtree showed up to shake my hand.

 

[Blue]

Since I began using Amsoil my hair has grown back thick and dark and my wife is amazed at my newfound powers of intimacy. Thank you Amsoil!

 

[kennith]

This is pretty easy, actually.
(1) they drive the living hell out of their motors using with some name-brand oil, and once they are happy with it, they rebrand it with Kawasaki, and sell at 4x the price. Same technique applies to all rebranded fluids.

(2) not using their rebranded fluid voids the warranty, which gives them neat bottom-line savings. Regardless of whether there's any merit to that or not.

I know.

I used the Kawasaki lubricants in the Mule I had. That's what they wanted, so that's what it got. Honestly, I'd have used their products whether or not they were required.

I likewise use what Kubota tells me to use in my mower.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[KyleT]

I was once told that if your oil isnt coming out dark, then it isnt doing its job.

 

[robertf]

I was once told that if your oil isnt coming out dark, then it isnt doing its job.

mostly true, there are exceptions like natural gas engines and such that don't leave the soot behind like petroleum does.

 

[kennith]

Now Amsoil is bad because it turns black?

It's just good oil. That's all it is. It will hold up a long time, but as has been noted, that requires other considerations.

Mine runs perfectly, and doesn't have issues. Can you say the same of yours? Did Amsoil cause my reliability? Absolutely not. I caused the reliability.

One must remember, however, that I am using Amsoil in a perfectly reliable and clean running engine. That ought to be remembered, not because it's responsible for the state of that engine, but because it hasn't destroyed it, as you seem to think it will.

The problem with Amsoil is the salesman. He needs to go away. It's just got to be on a shelf ready to buy at your local chain store like everything else. That's what the brand needs in order to stay marketable in the future. Now, I kind of like the other way, but it's not helping them.

It's engine oil, and it's not crap. That's not too hard to understand.

There is no reason to jump out and throw rocks at it. I've been using it for quite some time over here, and my house hasn't burned down yet.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

I was once told that if your oil isnt coming out dark, then it isnt doing its job.

It's supposed to be cleaning the engine, this is true. That darkens the oil. There is a lot of cleaning to be done in a RV8.

That said, I drain mine before that point, in an effort to keep as much of that crap out of the engine as possible. I also follow the oil with engine flush when draining, and completely flush the system fairly frequently.

I like to see a darkened amber come out of the bottom, at least on this engine. On my other engines, I am less persnickety.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kk88rrc]

The problem with Amsoil is the salesman. He needs to go away. It's just got to be on a shelf ready to buy at your local chain store like everything else. That's what the brand needs in order to stay marketable in the future. Now, I kind of like the other way, but it's not helping them.

Don't all Napas carry it??? My local Napa does.

 

[kennith]

mostly true, there are exceptions like natural gas engines and such that don't leave the soot behind like petroleum does.

This is true. It's also true sometimes that oil can and will change color all on it's lonesome if it's really, really bad stuff, that's not being used in the proper application, or has been used too long.

Amsoil, however, like most synthetics, isn't going to do that. If it comes out black, it's coming out with engine shit.

That's one reason changing all of a sudden to a more clever oil after using cheap stuff can give false indications. You have to wait a bit, or make damn sure you flushed the shit out of things before you use something new.

You run into the same sort of backwards logic that causes people to think that synthetic oil is thinner, and that's why it sometimes "causes" leaks. Bad ideas are out there. Many don't know any better.

You can't just change oils and expect petunias to start coming out your exhaust pipe, and the engine to remember that it was a magic carpet in a former life.

Whether or not you like Amsoil, you must agree that these things occur. Well... Not the stuff about carpets and flowers. The rest of it.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

Don't all Napas carry it??? My local Napa does.

Mine doesn't. At least, it hasn't for quite some time. Perhaps I'll call tomorrow and see if they do now. The Carquest used to carry it, but they can never seem to decide what to carry. There are a couple of local places that do, though.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[KyleT]

if you want to run amsoil, then do it, if you want to save a ton, use rotella or even rotella synthetic. I used M1, then RotellaT syn and have 190k on my motor and it is still quiet and does not tick or tap or make any excessive noises. it is also clean up top last time i had the valve covers off. I run 5/40 rotellaT in my disco, had it in my first p38, it is in the HH, and it is in my moms truck. I go 5000-7500 mile intervals unles my d2 has been in the dirt alot.

In my experience and as I have posted before. When i worked at a BMW shop, EVERY car that we put amsoil in started leaking. EVERY ZF transmission we put amsoil in, went out in 3-12 months. im not talking a million miles either, more like 60kish on those. these are issues that you can find tons of examples for.