And His Family is Angry About...

[Dan Erickson]

How many times he was shot.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=40f3fee0-7538-4247-ab32-1f45259a626b

We were told in class that you shoot to "eliminate the threat", however many times that takes.

Now the family is bitching about how many times it took for the bastard to go down.

Just waiting for all the fucking liberal bleeding hearts to pile on.

Guess we need a kinder, gentler method for dealing with armed people on drugs and alcohol breaking into our homes with bad intent.

WTF?!!!!

 

[SCSL]

This is classic:

They are not only upset about how many times he was shot, but also by the fact that the homeowner actually retreated to a back bedroom to retrieve more bullets after initially running out, so he could continue shooting him.

atriot:

Five shots is way too many

How stupid. What would have been the appropriate number of shots? If the guy was shot dead, would it have been better if it were only 2 shots?

 

[Dan Erickson]

Dead is dead.

 

[JeffM]

How many times he was shot.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=40f3fee0-7538-4247-ab32-1f45259a626b

We were told in class that you shoot to "eliminate the threat", however many times that takes.

Now the family is bitching about how many times it took for the bastard to go down.

Just waiting for all the fucking liberal bleeding hearts to pile on.

Guess we need a kinder, gentler method for dealing with armed people on drugs and alcohol breaking into our homes with bad intent.

WTF?!!!!

Don't want to pay the price - then stay the f%*k out of peoples homes. Wonder if they'd of still been saying that if the first round was a "less lethal" one? Not sure what Ohio is like but one of our local mounties told me that it was a good idea to have a less lethal round chambered first - that way intent to warn or some such is established - then if the perp keeps on coming - it's head removal time.

 

[SCSL]

one of our local mounties told me that it was a good idea to have a less lethal round chambered first - that way intent to warn or some such is established - then if the perp keeps on coming - it's head removal time.

I'm disagree with that advice,,,,from the civil perspective.

If you shoot, you had better kill. You can prove self-defense when a guy is breaking into your house, and in many states there are specific provisions to protect the homeowner's legal right to self-defense.

However, civil court is another matter. If you wing the guy,,, he's going to take you to court. Whether he wins or not, it's going to cost you a ton of time & money... and in some districts he may very well win.

(edit: however, if you live in a townhome or condo you probably should consider some form of non-penetrating round....Glaser, etc....for the same reason: civil issues from bullets going thru walls)

 

[az_max]

Don't shoot to kill, don't shoot to injure or maim the perp. You Shoot to Stop The Situation. He just happens to expire in the process. Aim for the biggest target, center mass.

The shooter should counter sue for the price of the bullets

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/03/sledgehammer-against-gun.html

Millard Brandenburg was released from jail on Feb.2, 2007. He had two state prison terms on his record, one for a drug conviction and the other for failing to pay child support. During the past decade, Brandenburg had been cited into Hamilton Municipal Court on more than two dozen offenses including traffic citations, ethnic intimidation, aggravated menacing, drug abuse, assault, resisting arrest and forgery. He had been jailed for failure to comply with police orders. Seven weeks after he was released from jail, he showed up at Jamie Buck's home.

 

[Dan Erickson]

I alternate normal rounds and hollow points in the clip.

The HPs stand a better chance of not going through walls (or perp) and on to hit something (or someone) else, and the FMJs are in case the perp has thick clothing on.

The chambered round is an HP.

Agree with SCSL: Killing would be cleaner. It sucks I know, but unfortunately, this is the bleeding heart society we live in. It seems not to matter that the guy was there to possibly kill you, he has rights damnit!

 

[antichrist]

Bad news

Not only does the Butler County coroner's report, which 9News has obtained, confirm Brandenburg was shot by Buck that many times.
But it also states that he was struck three times in what could be viewed as defensive positions -- namely in the back and in the back of the head.

I see a major civil suit coming. Shot in the back is not going to look good in court, and I will be really surprised if the burgler's family doesn't win a judgement.

 

[vray]

Everyone is always looking for an angle. In my mind, break into someones house with the intent of robbing and/or harming them and you deserve whatever you get. This story could just have easily been the homeowner in the paper suffering from sledgehammer wounds. "Buck" should ask for the estate of the house breaker to refund him the cost of the bullets he used.

 

[enonz98lr]

first off the guy was dumb enough to break into a house with a freeking sledge hammer...

but you better beleave if you break into my house your going to get the full clip if u dont go down on the first shot:applause: 3 in the head, you know their deadatriot:

 

[brianhoberg]

Ahh, that's why I like living in Texas

 

[brianhoberg]

but you better beleave if you break into my house your going to get the full clip if u dont go down on the first shot:applause: 3 in the head, you know their deadatriot:

Amen, my thoughts exactly....

 

[Dan Erickson]

Bad news I see a major civil suit coming. Shot in the back is not going to look good in court, and I will be really surprised if the burgler's family doesn't win a judgement.

Seems a shame, but I would not be surprised.

We seem to loose sight of what is important though.

This guy BROKE IN to rob and possibly kill the homeowner. He even hit the homeowner with the sledgehammer!!!!

But some are going to focus on the fact that he was hit in the back and/or back of the head!!!!!!!!!

In a situation like that I would imagine the homeowner's adrenaline was pumping through his system, and after being hit in the head with a sledge, I can certainly understand that even if the perp turned around, the guy would continue to fire.

The man was in his own home at night, doing no harm to anyone. It just complete bullshit that HE be made out to be the bad guy!!!

What am I missing here?!!!

Peace,

Dan

 

[SCSL]

What am I missing here?!!!

The demise of our culture...

 

[montanablur]

That's why handguns are retarded for home defense and a 12 gauge is the answer. If the sound of the round going into the chamber doesn't scare them, it won't take more than a couple rounds to put them down.

 

[cptyarderho]

Why is it because this one whacked out mom gets bent, we decide the world is off the rails? One opinion, is just that. The vast majority (VAST) would tell her tough shit. Ignore her, no lawsuit to worry about. It was self defense.

It seems like lately I see so much of this, one crazy voice from the wilderness and the world is chaos. Except it isn't, and it is not the media's fault. They run it, but 90% of these cases never even get off the ground.

 

[Dan Erickson]

... a 12 gauge is the answer....

My next firearm purchase.

Just worried about going through the walls...

 

[Dan Erickson]

The vast majority (VAST) would tell her tough shit.

I would like to belive that is true, but I'm not so sure it is. As Tom said, there very well may be a civil suit. These kinds of cases could set precedents.

...and it is not the media's fault. They run it, but 90% of these cases never even get off the ground.

I have to disagree. It seems to me, the media "stirs the pot" quite a lot. Especially if it involves guns or race.

These kinds of stories (spun just the way they want), reach many homes. But I wonder why stories like this do not.

This one story (in my original post) alone is not the reason for the "world in chaos", it's many situations/stories like this that lead me to percieve the world as getting worse as far as what we call right and wrong.

Peace,

Dan

 

[enonz98lr]

the question we really should be asking is, Do you feel lucky punk?.....well do ya?:shoot:

this cop knows how we do down south!

 

[mike97d1]

If someone come into a house with the intent to harm and steel and your really that scared. I say "Don't stop shooting till your out of bullets".