Anyone build AKs?

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Did you ever see Saddam's collection?

I find it annoying to see folks treat their guns like babies. People do it, too. I'm not saying not to case your gun or not clean it, and I'm not saying you should use your gun as a hammer or golf club. But some folks are pretty anal about their guns and I find it annoying. Comical at times, but more annoying than anything.
 

My6speedz

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I've never really understood people that have a ton of guns in the first place. My brother in law has over 30 guns and I think it is just crazy really. He only shoots half of them, the others just sit in the his safe. I guess I could understand if they were rare guns that command a large price but they aren't. I have a handful of guns and shoot them all. I believe in having a practical amount of guns and trying to limit the number of ammo calibers you have to buy.

What I really think is crazy are people whom drop a lot of money into cheap guns, or any gun really. For instance I have 2 Mosins one M44 and a 91/30, my best friend was trying to talk me into getting one of those Archangel stocks for it. I told him he must have been smoking something because the damn stock cost more than the gun!
 
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All in what you're into I guess. I have optics on my guns that cost more than the gun.

I don't know what a reasonable amount of guns is, either. A hunter may have a catalog of guns for various types of hunting and that could add up quick.

You can spend a lot of money on guns. But a cheap gun could shoot better than an expensive gun.
 

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All in what you're into I guess. I have optics on my guns that cost more than the gun.

I don't know what a reasonable amount of guns is, either. A hunter may have a catalog of guns for various types of hunting and that could add up quick.

You can spend a lot of money on guns. But a cheap gun could shoot better than an expensive gun.
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RE: Optics, IMO, in most cases, that is the way that it should be. What does not make any sense is a nice gun and crap for optics.</snip>
 

KevinNY

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An AR might be less interesting to put together but I've never seen someone shooting 1000 yards with an AK. Fun guns for sure, but not a precision weapon by any measure.
 

My6speedz

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Aks were designed around a different doctrine. The US army prefers a longer engagement range than the Soviet era Russian did.
 

My6speedz

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All in what you're into I guess. I have optics on my guns that cost more than the gun.

I don't know what a reasonable amount of guns is, either. A hunter may have a catalog of guns for various types of hunting and that could add up quick.

You can spend a lot of money on guns. But a cheap gun could shoot better than an expensive gun.


A reasonable amount of guns means only owning guns you have a realistic use for.
 

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RE: Optics, IMO, in most cases, that is the way that it should be. What does not make any sense is a nice gun and crap for optics.</snip>

I'm with you and Dan, my usual rule of thumb is for a magnified optic it can, and often will, cost as much as the rifle if not more. Red dots/reflexes a little cheaper since the price point for Aimpoint/EOTech and the like is lower-but I can never figure out why someone will spend well over $1k on some name brand upper/lower/barrel or what have you and then through a chinese scope on it.

Kinda like buying a Rover but putting shit tires on it; totally undercuts the capability.
 

1920SF

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Aks were designed around a different doctrine. The US army prefers a longer engagement range than the Soviet era Russian did.

Much differernt standards of training and volume of fire tactics too. Even under the draft era more time was spent on marksmanship than in the conscript ranks of the FSU. There's a reason why the first stop on an AK selector is the fun swtich too.
 
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I agree with you Ray, but there is nothing like shooting @ 500 yds in the prone position looking at a ring, a post and a man size target which is covered by the front sight post.
 

My6speedz

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Try shooting steel at a 1000m, so rewarding when you fire and a split second here that wonderful ping. Doing it open sights is even better. I'm not really into optics.
 

1920SF

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Try shooting steel at a 1000m, so rewarding when you fire and a split second here that wonderful ping. Doing it open sights is even better. I'm not really into optics.

I loved shooting at 1k, but the M401A1 (and A3) made it rather easy on known distance ranges unless the wind was going strong-we didn't play too much with iron sights at that range given the application.

As a retort...try shooting at 2600m with a M82A1 holding off the last mildot hitting something the size of a small car-the satisfaction of a Raufoss round exploding at that distance is significant-but first round on target hits are rather rare!

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I agree with you Ray, but there is nothing like shooting @ 500 yds in the prone position looking at a ring, a post and a man size target which is covered by the front sight post.

Its sad that you and I are now talking about something that the new kids don't even get to do anymore since the RCO is on the A4 there now-I think. I have a LCpl in the shop actually, I could ask him since I think he went through boot camp like last week.
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chris snell

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A few pics from yesterday...

The Marlin 1894 and the AR with the foregrip are Steve's. The Armalite AR with the FDE EOTech and the angled foregrip is Mike's. The SAM7R AK, the SCAR, and the HK MR556 are mine.

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rovercanus

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Great photos Mike and Chris!
I went to the range yesterday to do some load testing on my .17 Hornet but with 2 1/2 feet of snow on the road I didn't feel like winching my way 1 1/2 miles to the range. I'm hoping Thursday when I'm off from work is half way nice.
I also agree with good optics. It's hard to convince people that their mediocre rifle can shoot like a champ with decent optics.
 

chris snell

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Nice pics! How'd you like the factory AK?

I loved it. It was my first AK and I'm hooked. I enjoyed the SCAR but I enjoyed the AK even more. It performed wonderfully. I can't wait to build my own.
 

My6speedz

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I loved shooting at 1k, but the M401A1 (and A3) made it rather easy on known distance ranges unless the wind was going strong-we didn't play too much with iron sights at that range given the application.

As a retort...try shooting at 2600m with a M82A1 holding off the last mildot hitting something the size of a small car-the satisfaction of a Raufoss round exploding at that distance is significant-but first round on target hits are rather rare!
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I don't even consider myself an average shooter, I just have enough rounds though my Mosin and smithed on it a bit to where I can actually pull it off with irons.

That sounds like a hell of a shot. I wish there was a spot around here for some extreme distance shooting. I have fired a 50 once but it was only at 300m and the optic was probably somewhere in the range 5-6 thousand dollars. Really nice rig.

I was surprised by the relative control-ability, but boy did the guy in the next lane get pissed when I shot it. That range has sense added a couple walls for weapons with large muzzle breaks.
 
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