Beating a dead horse: ARB air lockers vs. TTs on a d2

[KalahariNik]

Lately I've been bitten by the traction but after sliding around in ~2in of mud here in Washington...I'd also like to perform better in snow and the occassional compact snow/ice we get here.

What would be my best bet on my d2? TT LSD up front and in the rear? or ARBs on both axles...From reading as much as I can here I see mixed reviews in every direction...but alot of people seem to lean towards the ARB setup...

How often will the ARB setup break axles?

I realize the price difference between the two routes and that isn't a deciding factor for me as far as the initial costs go.

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[SCSL]

There is no comparison between an ARB/ARB set-up and a TT/TT set-up. With the ARBs you will be able to select open or FULL lock. TTs will not fully lock up, nor are they designed to.
If price isn't an option, there's only one way to go.

How often will you break axles with this set-up on a DII? Often. You have a GBR axle shaft upgrade option for the rear. But nothing currently available for the front. Email Keith - he's not sure whether there's a market for DII front-end stuff

 

[FIVESPDDISCO]

arb x2 i love it

 

[QCNR]

Lately I've been bitten by the traction but after sliding around in ~2in of mud here in Washington...I'd also like to perform better in snow and the occassional compact snow/ice we get here.

What would be my best bet on my d2? TT LSD up front and in the rear? or ARBs on both axles...From reading as much as I can here I see mixed reviews in every direction...but alot of people seem to lean towards the ARB setup...

How often will the ARB setup break axles?

I realize the price difference between the two routes and that isn't a deciding factor for me as far as the initial costs go.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Get chains, its cheaper and more effective.

 

[sven]

I think the real question is, what do you use your truck for? Daily driver with occasional wheelin? Or extreme rockcrawler? Also, how much $$ to you have to spend? If $ is not an issue then the ARB setup is a no-brainer.

 

[RonL]

People are always talking about stress on the drivetrain (breaking axles). I feel that with ARBs you are only adding stress to the drivetrain when you are locked-in (off-roading). Must of the time when you are locked-in you are in mud or dirt, which let tire slip and limits the amount of stress that can be transferred to the axles. With TTs and Detroits axles are get stressed every time you turn on the road. IMO this on road stress is hard on axles then must people want to believe.

My wife drives the Rover and I did not want anything that would affect the on-road handling. There are people that say you can't tell a Detriot in the rear there, but on my old pick-up truck I could tell I had a Lock-rite in the rear.

I have an ARB in the rear with stock axles and love it.

 

[SCSL]

The difference here may be terrain.

Out west on rocks you have an extremely tractive surface. When tires suddenly grab, or you place an extreme amount of stress on the drivetrain while crawling up a large obstacle, things go SNAP...

The damage you get on mud/dirt tends to be more a function of the momentum needed to get thru the sticky stuff.

 

[Eric N.]

I will assume that since you have a 02 D2 that you don't have a center locking diff.. I'd start there before lockers or limited slips you'd be surprised at the difference.

just my 2 pennies.

 

[Barry]

I will assume that since you have a 02 D2 that you don't have a center locking diff.. I'd start there before lockers or limited slips you'd be surprised at the difference.

just my 2 pennies.

Agreed. CDL before any traction device(s). Carry Rud chains for the snow. If running ATs, switch to a MT for better results in the mud.

 

[Andrew Homan]

CDL then get some lockers if you still think you need them.

I run ARBs frt/rear but others like TT/Detroit. Get what works best for you.

 

[Nomar]

Lately I've been bitten by the traction but after sliding around in ~2in of mud here in Washington...I'd also like to perform better in snow and the occassional compact snow/ice we get here.

I would definately evaluate your real needs.. If you want extremely effective traction in snow,compacted snow, ice........then full chains are the way to go. With 4 tires chained on snow and ice, you'll be unstoppable!
I have front & rear ARB lockers but on snow they dont always help! Chains will do it.

 

[SCSL]

Ah, I missed the '02 part. Yes, CDL definately first. You may find that lockers are not necessary at all for your needs.

 

[bigred]

SCSL - Have you broken anything since you've been in VA, or did you do all of you driveline damage when you were out west?

 

[SCSL]

SCSL - Have you broken anything since you've been in VA, or did you do all of you driveline damage when you were out west?

In VA:
Grenaded a driver's-side CV.
Busted a front driveshaft u-joint on aftermarket shaft, but caught it before it grenaded.
Busted some stock suspension brackets.
Been through 2 rotos.
Busted a t-case mount, but that was an impact break.

 

[bigred]

In VA:
Grenaded a driver's-side CV.
Busted a front driveshaft u-joint on aftermarket shaft, but caught it before it grenaded.
Busted some stock suspension brackets.
Been through 2 rotos.
Busted a t-case mount, but that was an impact break.

Shit man... You haven't been here that long!
Bottom line, though, nothing having to do with your lockers?

 

[KalahariNik]

The CDL was in the cards for me as well...Maybe I'll start with that and reevaluate if I need more after that is completed.


What's the price on the GBR rear setup?

 

[Mike_Rupp]

With TTs and Detroits axles are get stressed every time you turn on the road. IMO this on road stress is hard on axles then must people want to believe.

My wife drives the Rover and I did not want anything that would affect the on-road handling. There are people that say you can't tell a Detriot in the rear there, but on my old pick-up truck I could tell I had a Lock-rite in the rear.

I have an ARB in the rear with stock axles and love it.

BS. The Detroit unlocks around turns, so if there is any increase in axle strain it is minimal. You could run stock axles with a Detroit indefinitely if you stay on the street.

How does your old pick-up truck with a lockrite compare to a Land Rover with a Detroit? In the pickup, I'm sure you were running it in 2wd, whereas the LR is a full time 4wd system. The net effect of the full time 4WD w/ locker allows the Detroit to lock & unlock quite well making the Detroit virtually unnoticeable.

You love the locker with stock axles? LOL Stay away from the rocks.

 

[SCSL]

Bottom line, though, nothing having to do with your lockers?

Sorry, I can't answer that question due to the jinx factor.

 

[KevinNY]

Start simple, what tires are you running?

 

[bigred]

Sorry, I can't answer that question due to the jinx factor.

I understand, and wouldn't want you to put yourself in jeopardy.