Bend Oregon Snow Trip Pics

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drg

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My Classic got me home OK. More flooding, this time in warm weather, and the check engine light came on. To the shop she goes.

The snow was amazing... almost like sand. So dry it wouldn't pack. In places there was packed snow or ice undernieth. Slippery stuff.
 
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g4hawaii

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The Range Rover did pretty good, better than I expected. If it could get traction it would go anywhere I pointed it. Traction was a problem with the factory Goodyear's on it. I was going to chain-up to add some grip but decided not to and wish that I had. The Terrain Response is both a help and a hinderance. It does a great job on things like rocks and in place of lockers, but as soon as it has zero traction it kills all the power which makes drifting kind of hard :) and also keeping momentum. It did do a good job of mobbing up some hills that the bigger cars spun their tires on and had to back up on a couple of times. I was most impressed by the bone stock '03 Disco with four people and two dogs in it that didn't break a sweat on anything.
I am looking forward to wheeling it this spring/summer when traction isn't such a factor.
All in all it was a blast and I was happy to be wheeling with a bunch of other Rovers.
 

mainerova

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any recomended snow chains???????

Hey guys, I like driving the snow trails, I gone through miles of 6-10 inch snow and never had a problem, up and down, any thoughts about when to use snow chains, and where I can find an inexpensive set????/

thanks
 

Andrew Homan

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Might try a search and if thats not helpfull go to the thread for Mill river now run pics. they have photos of a disco with the chains you want. you could even PM the guys in the thread they seem to like them. I don't have any but am a believer in them when it get real bad. ;)
 
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Tim, the '03 is my sisters and her husbands. The dogs, I think, were with Andrew? We had 4 people plus about 100 lbs of gear in the back.

But yes, their rig is bone stock with Nokian Hakkapaliita studded tires, in stock 265/65R16 size. Jon is a good driver, and that certainly helps. He drove jeeps, Humvees, and self-propelled artillery for Uncle Sam so I imagine he has a certain feel for keeping big rigs under control off road.

We were breaking a little bit of a sweat on that last 10 miles of snow road... those wide tracks kept throwing us around, and when you get 6 inches off to the side of the ruts it tries to suck you off the road. But Jon managed to keep it together for all 10 miles.

As I remember, I think I discouraged you from putting the chains on, Tim. I forgot that one of the rules of chains is that if you're going to use them, it's much easier to put them on when you're still on the main road! I think I wanted to see what you could do on stock tires. I was impressed, but we probably could have saved some time by chaining up. Live and learn! I think we all had fun and in the end it didn't matter.
 

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drg said:
Tim, the '03 is my sisters and her husbands. The dogs, I think, were with Andrew? We had 4 people plus about 100 lbs of gear in the back.

Hey Andy, did you bring two dogs? I know I brought my 2 Labs and I'm not sure we would have even been able to see your 2 dogs with how deep the snow was :D

Anywho. Those 2 dogs are mine David. Moose and Daisy. I'm sorry we didn't get more time to hang out and really get to know one another but we all had fun.

Here they are at Prineville Reservoir in Oregon this last summer.
 

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drg said:
As I remember, I think I discouraged you from putting the chains on, Tim. I forgot that one of the rules of chains is that if you're going to use them, it's much easier to put them on when you're still on the main road! I think I wanted to see what you could do on stock tires. I was impressed, but we probably could have saved some time by chaining up. Live and learn! I think we all had fun and in the end it didn't matter.

Hey so tell me about running in DEEP snow and using chains... do you chain one or two axles... and if only one... do you chain front or back first?
 

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Rob (RAV) got a few. Maybe he will post them. I had a similar problem with my card. I've got a bunch from the Miller River trip Rob and I took. Maybe I'll post them in another thread.

--Craig
Been in Hawaii. Heres a few pics. Didn't take many because, well this run really sucked!
 

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More WA snow run pics

More pics.
 

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g4hawaii

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Hey, after looking at those pic's, is one of your dogs part Shar-Pei? I have a pure-breed. and she looks a lot like your dog (the wrinkles and all)
I can't think of a better breed of dog all around than a Shar-Pei for a buudy...............
 

Klank

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g4hawaii said:
Hey, after looking at those pic's, is one of your dogs part Shar-Pei? I have a pure-breed. and she looks a lot like your dog (the wrinkles and all)
I can't think of a better breed of dog all around than a Shar-Pei for a buudy...............

Well there's always a first for everything. Shar-Pei? Really? Both my dogs are Pure Breed English labradors. Their a bit bulkier than the American pure breed. Shorter too. But yes, Moose is very wrinkly. Aways has been. When I got him as a puppy, I did think he was a Shar-Pei. You couldn't tell the difference. He was 13 pounds at 6 weeks. That's a lot for a Lab.
 
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scubaman99 said:
Hey so tell me about running in DEEP snow and using chains... do you chain one or two axles... and if only one... do you chain front or back first?

I don't know that I'm the expert, but my preference is this:

I generally use a mud type tire, with added siping cut for winter conditions.

If it's bad enough to put on chains, I want chains front and rear.

For safety, you should never chain up only the front axle on the highway (even if you have a FWD car). Off-road, chaining up the front may work well, but on the highway chains front-only chains are unsafe: under braking or cornering, you are even MORE likely to spin than if you had no chains at all.

Also, if you don't have a center diff lock, you'll get little benefit from a single set of chains, and your traction control will work your brakes and ABS pump pretty hard. Chain up front and rear.

Using chains, you can drag yourself into snow so deep that it's questionable whether you should really be there. I've used chains over 245/75R16 tires to get a stock F150 around on 3-5 feet of medium-packed snow (i.e. snowmobile trails), but that's not a great idea (screw up and get yourself buried to the axle and you've got a lot of work to do).

At the same time, if the snow is dense and packs well (moderate moisture), sometimes it's better to go without the chains and try to use the minimum throttle possible. In that kind of snow, sometimes the chains just churn up the snow and dig you in as much as they pull you forward, where aired-down MT tires with low throttle can climb up and ride on top as it packs down the trail.

If you need lots of traction (like pulling someone else out of a snow bank), you might need the chains regardless of how deep the snow is. The times I've really NEEDED the chains, I was on hard-packed snow or re-frozen ice, and it wasn't a question of getting my own rig around, but a matter of getting someone else out of the ditch. Then you really need all 4 chains.

This is all about off-road snow. If your concern is on-road snow/ice conditions (as in getting to the slopes to go skiing), get a set of Nokian SUV tires with studs. The studs will take care of you on the ice, and the winter tire tread will take care of you everywhere else (on-road, that is). If you can't use studs where you live, get the same tires but without studs, and carry chains.

Maybe if you live in an area where winter driving is not expected, and you run street tires or dry rock or mud-type tires, carrying a single set of chains to keep you from getting stuck is fine. But generally, if you are carrying chains and expect to cover any distance in them, you should be carrying two sets and chain up both axles when you chain up.
 

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Chains

I agree with David. Good post.
I always use chains on all four tires as conditions warrant on the DII. Most of the time you don't need them though, just on snow up to the axels and beyond. I've had no problems with BFG A/T's in these conditions.
 
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g4hawaii said:
The Terrain Response is both a help and a hinderance. It does a great job on things like rocks and in place of lockers, but as soon as it has zero traction it kills all the power.............

Try the DSC button. It will leave you some power and room for slip, while still retaining all the other advantages of Terrain Response. There's a pretty good explanation in the off road driving booklet in the owners packet. If you cannot find it, let me know and I'll dig one up. The salesman don't always do a great job explaining the functions. You don't use it much on the way to The Gap. Nice to see a Sport out on the woods. It's a very capable truck.
 
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g4hawaii

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Actually I was up until about two months ago a salesman for Land Rover, I did kill the DSC once we got off the main road and it is still somewhat active. The problem is that with my stock tires I needed to keep constant momentum to sort of "float" the car through the really deep soft snow, if I lost enough grip then the computer would kill the power until it thought I had enough traction. By then I would be stuck because the car would sink down and hit the ice and packed snow under the powder.
 
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g4hawaii

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David,

Thanks for the chain lesson. I hate to admit it, but I have never used them personally before (I have been in Hawaii for the last 5 years) I couldn't figure out if I would want them on the front to get traction for steering, or on the back to help get power to the pushing wheels. I guess the all four method can't go wrong. Thanks for comin' out, is your RR up and running?
 
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Thanks Tim. My SWB is running, though it threw a Check Engine light and I won't be able to get an appointment for diagnosis until after the new year.

Ship's Mechanical suggested that I disconnect the battery to clear the CEL (I didn't know that you could do that on a '95, but apparently you can), and then see if it reappears, the suggestion being that the CEL may have been an artifact from the flooding, which may have been a one-time thing.

My battery is indeed weak, and it's conceivable that the 10 degree weather made the fuel injection unit dump lots of fuel to get the engine started, but the battery just couldn't produce enough spark to light it up. Once it was flooded, it never cleared itself out (not much evaporation goes on at that temperature). Plus my incessant cranking over the next few days may have gunked up the plugs. When I drove it after Rohan helped me get it started on Monday, it may have taken a while to get all of the fuel burned off, and that may have resulted in a persistent rich condition that caused the CEL to trip.

Speculations, all. It ran fine on the way back to Portland, so I'm not overly worried about it. Sadly, if I had brought a spark plug wrench with me, I probably would have figured things out in time to be out with everyone on Sunday, but that's the way it goes.

I have a few more photos from my girlfriend's camera that I'll post shortly.
 
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Yeah, Tim's being towed here, but check out the depth of the snow and the street tires.
 

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