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antichrist

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jhmover said:
I'm not getting your logic worrying about deer and hogs other than it's a feeble attempt to make your point.
97rover brought up the worrying about deer.


Watch these, tell me your Ford Focus is all that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrOPHBhxi0
Did you not notice how there was almost no distortion of the the door? Pretty impressive. That's what those black and yellow discs are showing.
Not sure what the point of those two were. They were both hit by a much larger and higher vehicle. That's like a similar test with a discovery being hit by one of these. How do you think the Disco would fare?
 

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QQQQ

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Not sure if many of you have ever had the plasure(or not) of walking through an insurance holding lot of totaled cars before they are sold for salvage...but i have bought Land Rovers for parts and picked up customer buy backs from several lots and was always amazed at how bad the wrecks in there are...more so the small car wrecks(take your pick..Honda, Toy, Mazda, Ford whatever) that clearly nobody walked away from...that said I have never seen a Disco or Rangie that was anywhere near as bad...I know this is just my observation but when you look at 1000 totaled cars in one place you get an idea of what survives real world. I would love to get 40MPG but gas is cheap compared to the cost of a loved one...and in the South where every other(or at least every third) car you see is a full size pick up or SUV...driving an egg or a little toaster is too scary.
 

stolenheron

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[qoute] I would love to get 40MPG but gas is cheap compared to the cost of a loved one...and in the South where every other(or at least every third) car you see is a full size pick up or SUV...driving an egg or a little toaster is too scary.[/quote]

+1 on both of those. i just got news from a friend who rear ended a ford escape in a Lexus IS300, whole front end is done, ford escape just drove off like nothing happened. her mom is trying to tell her to sell the lexus and get a civic for gas money (its getting rediculous in FLA). i told her all the money she will save on gas is gonna be gone with the medical bills after a result of an accident in something that small, get an suv and bit the gas bullet.

and yes everything in bama, GA, or SC is a pickup, suv and usually has some sort of brushguard/steel bumper up front.
 

jhmover

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Tom, The only reason I put those post up was after hearing how safe his Focus is, was to show that his Focus will fold up, too. You get hit by a significantly larger vehicle (like a semi), or wreck at high speed, I dont' care what you're driving, what bumper you have, you're probably screwed (unless you're in a NASCAR COF - then you can smack walls at 180 and walk away). And, yes the Focus did well in a frontal collision, but it did fold up (I know - crush zones). Consumer reports did crash test, passed great in the head-on, too, sucked in the side hit.

Frankly I had an ARB on the D2 when I got in the head-on, it didn't prevent the frame and the body from bending (moved the left fender back about 2 inches, the dash went back about the same), probably wouldn't have made any difference if I had an RTE on either, frame still would have bent.

Crush can's as far as I'm concerned are great for preventing damage at slow speeds, like when some old grandma backs into your car at Wal-Mart, but I don't really think they do much for anything in a collision at speed. They get pushed in in about 2 nanoseconds, then the force is transferred to the frame anyway, which is really what absorbes the impact (unless I'm being a dumbshit and there's something else).


If old grandma backs into an RTE at 3 MPH at Wal-Mart it's probably not going to hurt anything but her 64 Cad.

If I'm wrong please enlighten me, I sure don't profess to know it all.
 

R_Lefebvre

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jhmover said:
Here we go with the BS statistics. "35 is nothing", I'd suggest you go try it sometime moron.

Well who's the moron, I just posted in THIS THREAD that my wife and I walked away from a 65mph frontal!

I'm not getting your logic worrying about deer and hogs other than it's a feeble attempt to make your point. Watch these, tell me your Ford Focus is all that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrOPHBhxi0

http://hispanicbusiness.myride.com/r...1564&pageNum=1

http://hispanicbusiness.myride.com/r...=326&pageNum=1

First of all, that frontal crash result was very good. Compare it to the Disco images I posted prior. The Disco passenger compartment started folding at only 35mph. As I stated prior, you're quite likely to bleed to death while waiting for the emergency services to cut you out because the doors don't work anymore.


And then, no shit, so when a small car gets creamed by a large truck, it doesn't fare well. You don't say? As already pointed out, if you get hit by a large truck, you won't fare well either.

Not only that, but something being totally missed here, is that an SUV doesn't fare all that well against an SUV either. It's a point that doesn't get made much because it gets lost in all the small-car fear mongering.

http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id= d107ded8-0b01-4013-b14b-61d91a09aef6

that side hit.. would do a lot of damage. and i think the guy in the last vid snapped his neck..

i beleive this video may be of some help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_86RuYXoJA

Did you notice the part where the SUV rolled over, caught fire, and the driver's arm was crushed under the side of the truck? I really don't see how the result was any better.

At least the driver in the car didn't suffer.

....and while on the subject...even as a cheap race car they suck! I was over 2 seconds a lap faster in a rented POS (to keep current while we build a new car) Spec Miata at both VIR and Mid Ohio than the "fast" spec focus guys(and I am no race god, trust me)...get a real car...even a Miata makes the Focus look ghey...and thats not easy for a Miata to do

You don't say? So a 130hp 2200lb RWD stiffly sprung car was faster than a 130hp, 2600lb FWD softly sprung car. Who'd have thought?

Tom, The only reason I put those post up was after hearing how safe his Focus is, was to show that his Focus will fold up, too. You get hit by a significantly larger vehicle (like a semi), or wreck at high speed, I dont' care what you're driving, what bumper you have, you're probably screwed (unless you're in a NASCAR COF - then you can smack walls at 180 and walk away). And, yes the Focus did well in a frontal collision, but it did fold up (I know - crush zones). Consumer reports did crash test, passed great in the head-on, too, sucked in the side hit.

You have side impact test results for a Disco? I can't find any.

And you've completely missed the point I was trying to make when this got steered into a discussion of what I admitted was ANY car's one weak point.

I bought a 2003 Focus because it was the ONLY affordable car available with a full Electronic Stabilty Control system. These have been shown to reduce single vehicle collisions by 70%. The safest accident is the one that doesn't occur.

You're also completely missing the part about SUV's rolling over. It's a real problem. Oh look, another post-collision SUV rollover, and this even takes out a pedestrian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTsO_T_x75s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQsCiv7RTU
 

QQQQ

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Super f'ing annoying!! and I think Canadian(and I suspect French Canadian...enough said.

As to your all too cool track Focus http://specfocus.drivenasa.com/about.htm try this...your cars are 2600 lbs and 160 hp AT the wheels....

an early 1.6 miata is 2300 lbs (later cars are 2425 with a restrictor plate) but also less than 120 HP at the wheels(my last one was 118 HP at the wheels)...your "fast" fords are at least 3 pounds lighter per horsepower can run a 6 speed gearbox a 17" wheel(with a 215/45) we are on a 205-15 and yet you are several seconds a lap slower even with the "fast" drivers in them...we wont even talk about a pro spec miata driver...as I said before..ghey!!...and we must live with crap valving in the struts and springs no stiffer than a built street car...so dont talk about suspension...we are even on stock brakes.
 

QQQQ

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R_Lefebvre said:
Did you notice the part where the SUV rolled over, caught fire, and the driver's arm was crushed under the side of the truck? I really don't see how the result was any better.

The guy in the SUV still has a head!!(something missing on the Honda driver) how is that not better...my GF is an ER doctor at the largest hospital it town and so I asked...have you seen guys come in burned with a crushed arm and live to talk about it...her response...sure plenty of cases on record like that. I then asked if she ever saw a guy come in without a head and survive...she laughed.
 

R_Lefebvre

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QQQQ said:
Super f'ing annoying!! and I think Canadian(and I suspect French Canadian...enough said.

As to your all too cool track Focus http://specfocus.drivenasa.com/about.htm try this...your cars are 2600 lbs and 160 hp AT the wheels....

an early 1.6 miata is 2300 lbs (later cars are 2425 with a restrictor plate) but also less than 120 HP at the wheels(my last one was 118 HP at the wheels)...your "fast" fords are at least 3 pounds lighter per horsepower can run a 6 speed gearbox a 17" wheel(with a 215/45) we are on a 205-15 and yet you are several seconds a lap slower even with the "fast" drivers in them...we wont even talk about a pro spec miata driver...as I said before..ghey!!...and we must live with crap valving in the struts and springs no stiffer than a built street car...so dont talk about suspension...we are even on stock brakes.

160 at the wheels. That's funny. Did you actually talk to them to find out what they were really putting down? Springs and Struts? 700 lb/in vs 160. And a 6 speed... yeah, ooh, a poorly geared 6 speed, most prefer the 5 speed. And a bigger wheel is faster how? And not to mention that the SF is an entry level class, before even SM, so the drivers in it were questionable.

Who did you run against? Name. I'll find out what the car spec was.

Regardless, my street car is faster than an SF.

Why do YOU guys keep bringing this up if it annoys you so? This whole thing started simply started by me saying I'd rather be in a frontal collision in a Focus than a Disco. And you could sub in pretty much any passenger car. The only reason you're debating the point is because you're have a tough time coming to grips with the reality that your truck is not as safe as you thought it was.
 
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flyfisher11

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R_Lefebvre said:
................ The only reason you're debating the point is because you're have a tough time coming to grips with the reality that your truck is not as safe as you thought it was.

Not me because I know my truck is not that safe especially with me at the wheel!:D
 

antichrist

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R_Lefebvre said:
You're also completely missing the part about SUV's rolling over. It's a real problem. Oh look, another post-collision SUV rollover, and this even takes out a pedestrian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTsO_T_x75s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQsCiv7RTU
IN the first the pedestrian probably would have gotten plowed over even without the rollover as the car spun out of control after the impact.

In the second, it sounds like the drive wasn't using the most important safety device I mentioned previously.
Do SUV's rollover easier than sedans? Yes.
Should many people who drive SUV's never be allowed behind the wheel of one? Emphatically yes.