Black History Month pt 2

Ballah06

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Rugbier said:
Mike, ignorance exist everywhere.

I do believe ( or I want to believe ) the N word is no longer used to address Black people but rather to the Ghetto Drug Dealer type, they called themselves N. in the same way, that crowd refer to us as Whiteys, and Ghetto exist amongst White people as well and are addressed as White Trash, by White people as well.

The problem, IMO is that although every ethnic/cultural group has an educated side and a trashy side, very frequently the latter is used to classify that whole group. That is where the ignorance and misconceptions lie. It also depends on one's location and which group he or she are largely in contact with. Someone who has nothing but negative experiences, due to dealing with a trashy group of people from a specific culture, is more likely to label that whole culture/ethnicity negatively and inaccurately. The more you interact with various types of people, travel, etc. you see that there are two sides to the coin and can distinguish between the various groups.
 

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Ok for the guys living in Connecticut WTF is up with the Blacks in the Hartford Area.... I'm an easygoing guy polite and basically respectfully but after a trip to the Stop In Shop for some groceries this past week end i wont go in there again with out my little friend MR Glock.... I felt safer going int to SE LA yelling the "N" word
 

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stereotypes do not just come from racists. they are often coined terms of endearment, or at least comedic relief, form the race it is meant to berate. stereotypes do stem from truth. they are not politically correct, but who/what really is?

if i use the "n" word when i get really pissed off at a black guy, i am automatically a racist. but the same black guy will call me cracker or whitey, but he somehow gets a blind eye turned towards the same racial slander for something that possibly happened to his great, great grandfather. i don't see jews doing this in germany or asian americans to the US after the war, do you? don't get me wrong, i am not agreeing with slavery, but could you imagine what the world would be like if the government and media had to pander to this over drawn sense of entitlement with more than one race or group of people with an inhumane event from their history (i.e. jews and the holocaust)?

lastly, i realize that this may come across as racist, but only to the uneducated. either way, i don't really care. freedom of speech is a liberty we all take for granted.
 

knewsom

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It always makes me shake my head and sigh when people talk about "entitlement" and use it almost like a dirty word when talking about the poor, the disenfranchised, etc... These are often the same people who seem to expect the same world and preferential treatment their grandparents received - sheesh, talk about entitlement.

I also think the vast majority of what has been poked at here is cultural and not specifically racial - there's a difference between the two, and I think it's important to make a distinction, eve though they are often lumped together when discussing racism. Disliking a culture does not inherently make one a racist. Disliking a culture, and assuming that it stems from racial inferiority, in spite of a lack of attempt to understand it, that is racist. Many who you perceive to be "PC" may share similar dislikes of some cultures, but they keep their mouths shut because they don't want to be lumped together with those who believe cultural problems stem from racial inferiority. As science has shown us, they do not.

There is more genetic variation within a given ethnic population than there is between it. In fact, genetically, there are wild parallels between seemingly random peoples across the world. For example, the Swedes are incredibly similar genetically to the Masai in Africa. The Ainu in Japan are genetically similar to various Celtic populations in Europe. The list goes on and on.

In terms of African-American culture, I'll be the first to say that it has glaring issues which irk me daily. Does this mean black people are somehow inferior? Hell no. Matter of fact, I think a lot of the problems with black culture in the US today are the direct result of being oppressed for so long. They were enslaved - their culture robbed from them. This left them in search of identity, so they forged a new one, mashing together a bunch of different cultural traits from Africa and combining them with new ideas, and southern culture. When slavery ended, their need for a cultural identity was stronger than ever since they could no longer draw identity from being an enslaved people in search of freedom. This shifted to identifying with being oppressed and disenfranchised instead of enslaved, a notion that grew over time (and rightly so), but they also latched onto things that were distinctly theirs and "not white" just so they could have a cultural identity, even though some of it was perhaps negative. In a culture not bereft of identity, this would not have been tolerated and their culture would have evolved normally, shunning negative behavior instead of embracing it. Fast-forward to today, much of this cultural mindset persists, and added to it is the proud refusal to submit to discrimination and racism - this has led to the unfortunate "I'm gonna get mine" mindset that is all too common these days. Very often manners and common decency will go by the wayside in favor of "not giving in to whitey." I understand this, and I still do not like it. When there's a pregnant woman on the metro, give up your fucking seat and let her sit. When there's a man carrying a sleepy toddler, don't quickly leap into the seat he's about to sit in and then look at him like "what, motherfucker? I don't have to go to the back of the bus!" - of course you don't, and nobody would even ask it of you, only for some common courtesy. Being rude just sucks, but its tolerated for reasons I've just given, and is incredibly rampant here because of it.

For awhile I was afraid that living in DC where this type of behavior is so prevalent would begin to turn me into a racist, and after reading what I've written, I'm sure some people will say that I am, but I think what has instead happened, thanks to my education and study of Anthropology, is that I've come to a better understanding of AA culture and history. This understanding of why things are the way they are does not mean I like it - only that I "get" it.

Do I feel "guilty" about the plight of the AA population, their systematic disenfranchisement, and cultural issues stemming from it? No. It's not my fault, or even my parents' fault. I don't feel guilty, just as I don't feel guilty for someone having a cold or cancer. Sympathy? ......perhaps, though I can guarantee you it would be unwanted.
 
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wooderson

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knewsom said:
It always makes me shake my head and sigh when people talk about "entitlement" and use it almost like a dirty word when talking about the poor, the disenfranchised, etc... These are often the same people who seem to expect the same world and preferential treatment their grandparents received - sheesh, talk about entitlement.

I also think the vast majority of what has been poked at here is cultural and not specifically racial - there's a difference between the two, and I think it's important to make a distinction, eve though they are often lumped together when discussing racism. Disliking a culture does not inherently make one a racist. Disliking a culture, and assuming that it stems from racial inferiority, in spite of a lack of attempt to understand it, that is racist. Many who you perceive to be "PC" may share similar dislikes of some cultures, but they keep their mouths shut because they don't want to be lumped together with those who believe cultural problems stem from racial inferiority. As science has shown us, they do not.

There is more genetic variation within a given ethnic population than there is between it. In fact, genetically, there are wild parallels between seemingly random peoples across the world. For example, the Swedes are incredibly similar genetically to the Masai in Africa. The Ainu in Japan are genetically similar to various Celtic populations in Europe. The list goes on and on.

In terms of African-American culture, I'll be the first to say that it has glaring issues which irk me daily. Does this mean black people are somehow inferior? Hell no. Matter of fact, I think a lot of the problems with black culture in the US today are the direct result of being oppressed for so long. They were enslaved - their culture robbed from them. This left them in search of identity, so they forged a new one, mashing together a bunch of different cultural traits from Africa and combining them with new ideas, and southern culture. When slavery ended, their need for a cultural identity was stronger than ever since they could no longer draw identity from being an enslaved people in search of freedom. This shifted to identifying with being oppressed and disenfranchised instead of enslaved, a notion that grew over time (and rightly so), but they also latched onto things that were distinctly theirs and "not white" just so they could have a cultural identity, even though some of it was perhaps negative. In a culture not bereft of identity, this would not have been tolerated and their culture would have evolved normally, shunning negative behavior instead of embracing it. Fast-forward to today, much of this cultural mindset persists, and added to it is the proud refusal to submit to discrimination and racism - this has led to the unfortunate "I'm gonna get mine" mindset that is all too common these days. Very often manners and common decency will go by the wayside in favor of "not giving in to whitey." I understand this, and I still do not like it. When there's a pregnant woman on the metro, give up your fucking seat and let her sit. When there's a man carrying a sleepy toddler, don't quickly leap into the seat he's about to sit in and then look at him like "what, motherfucker? I don't have to go to the back of the bus!" - of course you don't, and nobody would even ask it of you, only for some common courtesy. Being rude just sucks, but its tolerated for reasons I've just given, and is incredibly rampant here because of it.

For awhile I was afraid that living in DC where this type of behavior is so prevalent would begin to turn me into a racist, and after reading what I've written, I'm sure some people will say that I am, but I think what has instead happened, thanks to my education and study of Anthropology, is that I've come to a better understanding of AA culture and history. This understanding of why things are the way they are does not mean I like it - only that I "get" it.

Do I feel "guilty" about the plight of the AA population, their systematic disenfranchisement, and cultural issues stemming from it? No. It's not my fault, or even my parents' fault. I don't feel guilty, just as I don't feel guilty for someone having a cold or cancer. Sympathy? ......perhaps, though I can guarantee you it would be unwanted.

good points knewsom, but my comments were not refering to culture, rather the inherent issues devised by said culture. that is what makes for unwarranted entitlement issues. call is what you will, be it a "dirty word" or some loosely based cultural issue. the facts and statistics still remain. your concern of becoming racist while living in DC prove that point.

lastly, let's not dilute the ideology behind "culture". most importantly, let us not forget that we all are individuals that have the ability, albeit some lack the capacity, to make the Right choices in life. it is when a "culture" chooses to make decisions that allow negative stereotypes to be formed based on actions, worldviews, and lifestyle that make the thin layer of civilization become even more transparent for others to see the ugly in each and thus, apply to a whole. it has nothing to do with race inferiority.
 

knewsom

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Do recall though that the concepts of "right" and "wrong" vary depending on one's culture. Culture has a massive part in forming an individual's ideology; culture is not the result of ideology, it is the cause/carrier, although an ideology can influence culture if it becomes widespread.

This is not to say I don't believe in a universal human truth - I actually do, I'm not a complete cultural relativist, but different cultures value different things for different reasons. The universal part is that people tend to want to do what their culture deems "right" and "wrong". For example, the concept of fighting a duel over a slight would today be repugnant and considered wrong; 300 years ago, it was not only commonplace, but it would be considered repugnant and "wrong" if one did not defend one's honor in such fashion. "Right" and "Wrong" are not absolutes - they are concepts with universal application, but the manor of that application varies wildly dependent on whom it is being applied.
 

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knewsom said:
Do recall though that the concepts of "right" and "wrong" vary depending on one's culture. Culture has a massive part in forming an individual's ideology; culture is not the result of ideology, it is the cause/carrier, although an ideology can influence culture if it becomes widespread.

This is not to say I don't believe in a universal human truth - I actually do, I'm not a complete cultural relativist, but different cultures value different things for different reasons. The universal part is that people tend to want to do what their culture deems "right" and "wrong". For example, the concept of fighting a duel over a slight would today be repugnant and considered wrong; 300 years ago, it was not only commonplace, but it would be considered repugnant and "wrong" if one did not defend one's honor in such fashion. "Right" and "Wrong" are not absolutes - they are concepts with universal application, but the manor of that application varies wildly dependent on whom it is being applied.

This begins to point to the reason that a "jury of your peers" doesn't exist anymore.