Brake Job Hiccups

fishEH

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I am replacing my pads and rotors and ran into a few corrosion caused hiccups.

1. The bottom caliper bolt got stripped out and need a solution for removal

2. How do you get the hub apart from the rotor?

1) The bolt head is rounded? Bolt threads stripped, or bolt hole threads stripped?
2) you have to take off the ABS rings by sticking a tiny wrench between the rotor and hub and removing the nuts. Once the ABS rings are gone it's obvious how to separate the hub/rotor.
 

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The bolt head was to rounded to get out.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/discorover85/17322669636" title="image by Tim Whitaker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8851/17322669636_b324e57c55_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="image"></a>

Also I think the rotors may be a bit thin...

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ChrismonDA

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The bolt head was to rounded to get out.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/discorover85/17322669636" title="image by Tim Whitaker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8851/17322669636_b324e57c55_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="image"></a>

Also I think the rotors may be a bit thin...

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PB Blaster, also what type of socket are you using? If it has 12 points you may round the nut off. Try a four point socket.
 

discostew

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PB Blaster, also what type of socket are you using? If it has 12 points you may round the nut off. Try a four point socket.



I think this is really bad advise . When I find 12 point head bolts I use 12 point sockets . But He never did this job . This board is loosing credibility cause all you guys let people like this say some really stupid shit . People should come here and get good advise from people who know what they are talking about .
 

fishEH

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WTF is a four point socket? I always try to use 6 point sockets whenever possible. The exception is with 12pt cap bolts.
IDK how you round a 12pt bolt????
 

discostew

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I did use a 12 point socket. I am not new to taking calipers off a discovery but this is the first time I have rounded out a bolt in 11 years of wrenching on these things.

I didn't want to imply you were an idiot . These trucks are getting more and more rusted . It's old and could have been hacked up by somebody else . Just don't like to see the wrong advise given by someone I know has less mechanical skills than you . So just don't go looking for a 4 point socket .
 

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Yeah, the Irwin set is fantastic. When I did my head gaskets, the rearmost head bolt on the pass side got rounded off, and I tried a Craftsman extractor set that only made it worse. The Irwin bit right in and held on until it broke loose. $25 very well spent.
 

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I think this is really bad advise . When I find 12 point head bolts I use 12 point sockets . But He never did this job . This board is loosing credibility cause all you guys let people like this say some really stupid shit . People should come here and get good advise from people who know what they are talking about .

A four point impact would be better then a 12 point or a 6 point socket. Discostew do you have some personal problem with me? We could settle this shit right now. I am getting sick an tired of your negative and useless comments.
 

turbodave

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Looks like you need to just get the caliper off first. Do you have access to a welder?
Times like this, I will pop a larger nut over the head (making sure there is still room to get a socket over this larger nut) , and with the welder on the highest amps, plug weld the new nut to the head of the bolt. Start slow to make sure you have a good weld to the bolt head, then keep plugging inside the nut. The extra weld is not adding strength, so much as putting a crap-load of heat into the bolt.

Once finished welding, wait till it at least stops glowing red, put a socket on it and try wrenching it off. Worse that happens, is you shear off the nut and have to do it again.
I have never NOT had this technique work for me - it is a sure fix, but obviously you will need a new fastener. It works great on studs sheared off in manifolds (so long as you have 1/8" or more of stud proud of the surface) and especially those sh1tty studs ford put in the manifold studs on the modular motors that shear off for fun...

If you don't have a welder, then try to Centre-punch the head of the bolt, and drill in there just deep enough with a 3/16" drill bit, then a 1/2" bit just deep enough to pop the head off but leave the shank intact. With the thin rotors, and a bit of levering, you should be able to pop the caliper off the shank.
Now beat the remaining shank up, down, left, right, right on the head, and every angle in between. You now should be able to use the Irwin easy-out on the shank, and with enough beating, it'll probably just unscrew clean off... If you have it available, also try some MAPP gas on the bolt shank.

When all else fails, then by all means try to drill it out, but most of the time folks end up managing to tap out most of the good threads, leaving a compromised fastened joint. Always try everything possible to get the fastener to wind out, before resoirting to drilling.
 

discostew

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A four point impact would be better then a 12 point or a 6 point socket. Discostew do you have some personal problem with me? We could settle this shit right now. I am getting sick an tired of your negative and useless comments.





A four point socket ? The problem I have with you is not personal its just that you say so much stupid shit that it needs to be addressed . I should probably give you a little background on myself so that you understand why I feel that your a problem . I have spent every week since 1981 fixing high end cars in high volume dealerships . 18 yrs on olds and the rest on land rovers . If these guys are talking about stuff I don't know about I just read it and don't comment , you should consider that . I should also tell you that I was wrong two times last year , once I thought I was wrong but wasn't , and I count that . You pay to have your car fixed , we don't . So stop trying to tell us about using 4 point sockets and impact wrenches on 12 point fasteners .
 

discostew

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A four point impact would be better then a 12 point or a 6 point socket. Discostew do you have some personal problem with me? We could settle this shit right now. I am getting sick an tired of your negative and useless comments.



So is the theory that if we only touch 4 of the points on a 12 point fastener then we will be able to apply more torque to that fastener ? Just kind of let those other 8 points take a break today ? If you have a 6 point fastener then sure a 6 point socket would be best . But if the fastener is a 12 point , you need to use all 12 points . There is no point arguing this with me cause your wrong , dead wrong . My comments will keep coming until you stop saying such stupid shit . How do you feel like your going to settle this ?
 
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