BS on the Gun Control Nazis

[jhmover]

Read this one. Looks like the retards in DC will have to find a new excuse to outlaw firearms.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

 

[Blue]

Are you implying that politicians might be misleading the public to further their agenda? LOL

 

[Jake]

good article, more BS from the gun grabbers...........

 

[jwest]

yeah right, the day in pittsburg should show that everyone should be entitled to their very own assault riffle ....just in case you want to kill some police just for the hell of it when you should be hanging yourself instead.

 

[KevinNY]

Yes it was the guns fault.:banghead:

 

[95.D1.Rick]

yeah right, the day in pittsburg should show that everyone should be entitled to their very own assault riffle ....just in case you want to kill some police just for the hell of it when you should be hanging yourself instead.

So, are you saying that if the insaniac has no gun, the murders DONT happen? The guy who wants to kill some Policemen would say, "nevermind" if he had no gun? He wouldnt think of another way to 'solve' his issue? This is your point? Really? Get real, your fear and ignorance are scary, obtuse and embarrassing.

 

[jwest]

So, are you saying that if the insaniac has no gun, the murders DONT happen? The guy who wants to kill some Policemen would say, "nevermind" if he had no gun? He wouldnt think of another way to 'solve' his issue? This is your point? Really? Get real, your fear and ignorance are scary, obtuse and embarrassing.

Sorry, no fear or ignorance Mr. narrow mind. You don't know me or my history so ask a question before you start spouting BS about me. People like you are part of the problem because you don't even operate under logic. All you preach is presumptuous nonsense. By your idea we should all have our own RPG's and other fun toys, right?

But tell me, as fun as an AK is to shoot, my mom had one for a while so I know, what the hell business does any of us have with them? Ok, we should be able to have the things we want, I do for sure, but where in fact is the line?

The reason I wrote my first post is how ironic it seemed that nutbag had what he needed to be a real problem to the police he surprised on his front door step and the ensuing aftermath.

Possibly, for someone like him, illegal means of acquiring these things may have made the slight difference needed, say if he could have only legally bought hand guns or a hunting rifle, not a full on AK47, etc. Most criminals are relatively lazy and when it takes too much work to do this or that, it is simply a deterant. So, yes, it is quite possible that if what he had access to weren't so easy, it might have been quite a different outcome. Access can also mean, much better control by means of higher qualifications to by such weapons, age, training, whatever makes sense to reduce the likeliness of such an occurance. This guy was apparently too loose for the Marine Corps so one would think there could have simply been a little flag risen - no of course not, that's too private. The old rules and ways don't work any more - the gun seller in the town that knows so and so is a little off might not sell him something "inappropriate" because in that case, the seller is part of the community that he also cares about. These types of checks and balances no longer exist so things are bound to go awry here and there without other measures.

So, is there a line and if so, where can it make sense to be drawn? I mean seriously, it must be cool as hell to launch an rpg or maybe a mortar or set mines in your drive way or whatever you can come up with, why not also mount them in our bumpers just in case someone is chasing us? Where is the line, bombs, rockets, ooh, flamethrowers would be awesome for chasing off burglars.

So, please don't talk about fear until you are ready to see things with an open mind.

 

[95.D1.Rick]

I mean seriously, it must be cool as hell to launch an rpg or maybe a mortar or set mines in your drive way or whatever you can come up with, why not also mount them in our bumpers just in case someone is chasing us? Where is the line, bombs, rockets, ooh, flamethrowers would be awesome for chasing off burglars.

So, please don't talk about fear until you are ready to see things with an open mind.

Huh?
Dont know you, only your opinion. I refer to your opinion. Nice diatribe, but you havent answered the question. You should answer Kevins question too. That will be interesting. Can you answer? Apparently not. I attack your opinion, and ask a question, and you express further, fearful blather, about your mothers cool guns. Your saying nobody should be able to own a 30 caliber semi automatic rifle? (thats what an AK is, ask your mom.)
Do you know how many law abiding, American citizens own the type rifle you apparently fear and hate, that NEVER break the law, or make headlines? If we had outlawed fertilizer, do you think Tim McVey would have got religion instead of finding a different way to kill alot of people?

 

[SCSL]

Interestingly, the Canadians are finally coming to their senses regarding human rights and nonsensical gun control measures.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2009/04/01/ottawa-gun.html

 

[jwest]

Huh?
Dont know you, only your opinion. I refer to your opinion. Nice diatribe, but you havent answered the question. You should answer Kevins question too. That will be interesting. Can you answer? Apparently not. I attack your opinion, and ask a question, and you express further, fearful blather, about your mothers cool guns. Your saying nobody should be able to own a 30 caliber semi automatic rifle? (thats what an AK is, ask your mom.)
Do you know how many law abiding, American citizens own the type rifle you apparently fear and hate, that NEVER break the law, or make headlines? If we had outlawed fertilizer, do you think Tim McVey would have got religion instead of finding a different way to kill alot of people?

So, really you are just a dumbass jerk because A. I never said I was afraid of it and B. you can't answer a question because you have no answers, only more BS. I did in fact answer your questions but you can't apparently read.

Got anything besides a blind eye?

 

[Blue]

yeah right, the day in pittsburg should show that everyone should be entitled to their very own assault riffle ....just in case you want to kill some police just for the hell of it when you should be hanging yourself instead.

wow, ignorance is bliss, eh?

 

[JLS]

Sorry, no fear or ignorance Mr. narrow mind. You don't know me or my history so ask a question before you start spouting BS about me. People like you are part of the problem because you don't even operate under logic. All you preach is presumptuous nonsense. By your idea we should all have our own RPG's and other fun toys, right?

But tell me, as fun as an AK is to shoot, my mom had one for a while so I know, what the hell business does any of us have with them? Ok, we should be able to have the things we want, I do for sure, but where in fact is the line?

The reason I wrote my first post is how ironic it seemed that nutbag had what he needed to be a real problem to the police he surprised on his front door step and the ensuing aftermath.

Possibly, for someone like him, illegal means of acquiring these things may have made the slight difference needed, say if he could have only legally bought hand guns or a hunting rifle, not a full on AK47, etc. Most criminals are relatively lazy and when it takes too much work to do this or that, it is simply a deterant. So, yes, it is quite possible that if what he had access to weren't so easy, it might have been quite a different outcome. Access can also mean, much better control by means of higher qualifications to by such weapons, age, training, whatever makes sense to reduce the likeliness of such an occurance. This guy was apparently too loose for the Marine Corps so one would think there could have simply been a little flag risen - no of course not, that's too private. The old rules and ways don't work any more - the gun seller in the town that knows so and so is a little off might not sell him something "inappropriate" because in that case, the seller is part of the community that he also cares about. These types of checks and balances no longer exist so things are bound to go awry here and there without other measures.

So, is there a line and if so, where can it make sense to be drawn? I mean seriously, it must be cool as hell to launch an rpg or maybe a mortar or set mines in your drive way or whatever you can come up with, why not also mount them in our bumpers just in case someone is chasing us? Where is the line, bombs, rockets, ooh, flamethrowers would be awesome for chasing off burglars.

So, please don't talk about fear until you are ready to see things with an open mind.

This is what is wrong with yours and those stupid politicians way of thinking, make it harder for us to buy guns!!! The problem is "LAW ABIDING CITIZENS" do go through the hassles of this bullshit to get a gun. Those criminals just go to a criminal gun dealer and hand over some cash and the gun is his!!!! Get that through your THICK F*$%#en skull!!! CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY LAWS!!!! So any further laws and existing laws only fuck us RESPONSIBLE, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS....:banghead:

 

[jwest]

This is what is wrong with yours and those stupid politicians way of thinking, make it harder for us to buy guns!!! The problem is "LAW ABIDING CITIZENS" do go through the hassles of this bullshit to get a gun. Those criminals just go to a criminal gun dealer and hand over some cash and the gun is his!!!! Get that through your THICK F*$%#en skull!!! CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY LAWS!!!! So any further laws and existing laws only fuck us RESPONSIBLE, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS....:banghead:

Yeah, I totally get that part and if you could read, I also agree with it but please offer some ideas. Also, stop being such total assholes who can't even hear that I am asking for your ideas about how to remedy the problem. All you are doing is repeating the obvious - we all know the law abiding citizens "do the right thing", my friend does and he has 6 different hand guns, some for actual protection on trips with his wife and some for nostalgia.

Got any actual ideas or just more name calling? For example, do you agree that we should be able to purchase any weapon made? If not, where do you draw that tricky line?

 

[jwest]

wow, ignorance is bliss, eh?

Yup, you must be a very happy person. Have anything intelligent to say? Regardless of your opinion on this matter, that statement is just showing your lack of imagination and ability to debate a topic or offer something of merit.

 

[jwest]

Huh?
Dont know you, only your opinion. I refer to your opinion. Nice diatribe, but you havent answered the question. You should answer Kevins question too. That will be interesting. Can you answer? Apparently not. I attack your opinion, and ask a question, and you express further, fearful blather, about your mothers cool guns. Your saying nobody should be able to own a 30 caliber semi automatic rifle? (thats what an AK is, ask your mom.)
Do you know how many law abiding, American citizens own the type rifle you apparently fear and hate, that NEVER break the law, or make headlines? If we had outlawed fertilizer, do you think Tim McVey would have got religion instead of finding a different way to kill alot of people?

You know something, you sound like the scared one because I never said I was fearful of my moms guns, or my friends, or the ones I've had.

Additionally, Kevin did not ask a question, maybe you don't understand grammar but he made a statement, with obvious implied answers - clearly the bullets from the gun shot by a person did in fact kill someone. This is always the case. You can't really separate the person from the tool or we would be banning hammers and candlesticks. Yes, if he couldn't get the gun or three and a pile of ammo, he being a resourceful person may have found other tools.

So, with that, what is the solution?

I am in fact, very much PRO "a self armed public" which I think helps balance power and some of our founding beliefs, however we also do have to realize that with it comes complications and realistic negatives in this day and age.

The current system does not work very well. If you were one of the policemen there that day, would you wish that basically your weapons would at least always trump those of your opponents?

Are there no military or police people on this board to bring an intelligent and informed view to the table? Because you all so far just sound reactive and scared.

 

[sean]

So, with that, what is the solution?

I am in fact, very much PRO "a self armed public" which I think helps balance power and some of our founding beliefs, however we also do have to realize that with it comes complications and realistic negatives in this day and age.

You just answered your own question. Get rid of no gun zones and arm the public. Don't create safe havens for whacks to do what ever they want unopposed.

The current system does not work very well. If you were one of the policemen there that day, would you wish that basically your weapons would at least always trump those of your opponents?

Name one system thats perfect and everyone follows! People still get killed and murder is illegal, guns are a small fraction of all murders. Focusing on them is like banning Hondas because they are one of the most common to be hot rodded.

Better weapons to trump the criminals? Like a nice bolt action?
A quote from one of our officers on this subject (bolt guns VS. autos)

It beats spray and pray all of the timeatriot:

 

[95.D1.Rick]

Lots of words mr west, not much sense. You are right though, Kevin only implied a question, I'll ask it. Is it your opinion that the gun is the cause of the Pittsburgh Police murders, or the sick person? Further, is cowshit and diesel the reason so many people died in Oklahoma, or the sub-human trash that built and ignited it?
Ban the guns, and level headed, law abiding gun owners like myself suffer, not the A-hole predators that make the news.
Your view is one of ignorance and fear, not you. Understand? Probably not. It must be hard to see clearly from where your head is stuffed. Its not very flattering to you though. I wont lower myself to name calling, and sometimes I am a "dumbass jerk", not now though. You seem pretty young, got any pics of your mom with her AK? Really that little story you shared means nothing w/o pics. Either way please keep writing, it priceless.

 

[jwest]

Why would I make up something as ridiculous as my mom having one f these before. It was in fact some sort of generic version I think because it had a raw/unfinished wood and she called it something other than an "AK47" but told me it was the same thing. For detail, she said "all it needs is this little part/conversion to be fully automatic..." We have a family friend who was a master gunnery sgt in the marines who taught her to shoot that as well as her 9mm which replaced a cool 4 barrel mini hand gun for her purse. This was all after someone had broken in and she was scared.

Anyway, you came on here being a jerk, I'm just telling you like it is. You offered no useful info, only the tone of a total asshole.

It's obvious you are actually lower already because you still continue to offer no solutions or ideas, just personal attacks and innuendo.

Lastly, your stupid questions were already answered so what exactly is your point? I stated clearly that guns don't kill but neither do empty handed people. The aggressor obviously needs a weapon of some sort, as you can clearly see in the opening scene of 2001, assuming you are not too "young" to know what I'm talking about.

So Rick, you apparently have no answers at all, only more scared nonsense. You are so scared of losing your rights or whatever that you can't even debate something in an abstract way. You don't sound "level headed" but rather a preacher with no interest in even sharing why you believe this or that, just that you do and eveyone else should too. Sounds great!

Thanks Sean, I was waiting for someone to actually speak up with some ideas. So, is it totally out of reason to ponder better screening, or some other way of at least improving the ods of preventing such things? Is it impossible? Is it just too much of a PITA for regular people to have to deal with more involved permits?

I mean, I have to deal with airport security every month, always getting pulled aside, patted down, bags opened and tested - every time. It's mainly because I fly last minute and have funky looking gear in the carry-on and it annoys the hell out of me. I think it's mostly useless because my bags have flown without me twice in one year - which is supposed to be such a big deal but there it is. I've basically sent whatever I wanted on planes without myself.

I'm jsut saying the way we are doing things for security screening in general seems pretty useless.

 

[sean]

I stated clearly that guns don't kill but neither do empty handed people.

wanna bet on that?

the Green River Killer killed 48 women with bare hands.

here are some break downs by weapon.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

 

[Jake]

Sorry, no fear or ignorance Mr. narrow mind. You don't know me or my history so ask a question before you start spouting BS about me. People like you are part of the problem because you don't even operate under logic. All you preach is presumptuous nonsense. By your idea we should all have our own RPG's and other fun toys, right?

But tell me, as fun as an AK is to shoot, my mom had one for a while so I know, what the hell business does any of us have with them? Ok, we should be able to have the things we want, I do for sure, but where in fact is the line?

The reason I wrote my first post is how ironic it seemed that nutbag had what he needed to be a real problem to the police he surprised on his front door step and the ensuing aftermath.

Possibly, for someone like him, illegal means of acquiring these things may have made the slight difference needed, say if he could have only legally bought hand guns or a hunting rifle, not a full on AK47, etc. Most criminals are relatively lazy and when it takes too much work to do this or that, it is simply a deterant. So, yes, it is quite possible that if what he had access to weren't so easy, it might have been quite a different outcome. Access can also mean, much better control by means of higher qualifications to by such weapons, age, training, whatever makes sense to reduce the likeliness of such an occurance. This guy was apparently too loose for the Marine Corps so one would think there could have simply been a little flag risen - no of course not, that's too private. The old rules and ways don't work any more - the gun seller in the town that knows so and so is a little off might not sell him something "inappropriate" because in that case, the seller is part of the community that he also cares about. These types of checks and balances no longer exist so things are bound to go awry here and there without other measures.

So, is there a line and if so, where can it make sense to be drawn? I mean seriously, it must be cool as hell to launch an rpg or maybe a mortar or set mines in your drive way or whatever you can come up with, why not also mount them in our bumpers just in case someone is chasing us? Where is the line, bombs, rockets, ooh, flamethrowers would be awesome for chasing off burglars.

So, please don't talk about fear until you are ready to see things with an open mind.

this shite is tooo stupid to answer.....you have no idea what an assualt rifle is OR what you are talking about. go ask your Mom, she sounds cool....:rofl: